Re: Linux India registration.

[Raju Mathur <raju@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Why do you keep insisting that your point of view is not being heard?
The whole idea of having representation from each LUG is to ensure
that LUG voices get heard.  If you have any issues, take it up with
your LUG representative to LI-Reg.  Or if you feel strongly enough
about it (and other do too), get yourself represented from your LUG to
LI-Reg instead of the current incumbent.

-- Raju

>>>>> "Nikhil" == Nikhil Datta <nikk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

    Nikhil> Hi thaths,
    >> deliver on my promise to make li-reg archives open for
    >> browsing.  Just hold on for a couple of days.  The archives
    >> will be browsable and ALL posts (including old ones) will be
    >> available.

    Nikhil> Thaths: all the bad feelings circulating have to do with
    Nikhil> the list being closed. You're being on vacation hasn't
    Nikhil> helped any, especially if there's a deadline which matters
    Nikhil> to people like me, if not you. Stall space in IT COM is
    Nikhil> already sold out : and this was in July when I spoke to
    Nikhil> KK. That's away from the main point anyway : what happens
    Nikhil> if the closed LI-reg list reaches a conclusion no one
    Nikhil> likes? Do we scrap it all and go back to the beginning? I
    Nikhil> _do_ _not_ _care_ about LI registration : it's just
    Nikhil> something that needs to be done in order to get IT COM in
    Nikhil> place.

    >>  C'mon.  Why did YOU have to wait a full 3 weeks after I posted
    >> my original message in LIG about the formation of li-reg to ask
    >> all these questions?

    Nikhil> Like I mentioned, I really wasn't interested in the
    Nikhil> formation of LI-reg. I still am not. It just turns out
    Nikhil> that I'm suddenly told that there may be no IT COM,
    Nikhil> because a select group of people have formed a closed
    Nikhil> list, to register LI, and don't seem to be bothered about
    Nikhil> IT COM in the least. A post on I LUG b'lore quoted Arun as
    Nikhil> referring to IT COM as "insignificant". I don't know if
    Nikhil> that's true or not, and I'm more than willing to give him
    Nikhil> the benefit of doubt, but it certainly raised my interest
    Nikhil> enough to bother to find out what's going on.

    Nikhil> I hope this clears up my motives.

    >> Arun and I were not in IT.com.  So the Linux presence in
    >> Bangalore IT.com was, indeed, brought to our attention through
    >> the photos and articles.

    Nikhil> True, it's just that I know at least two other members of
    Nikhil> the Li-reg list were very much at IT COM last year, and
    Nikhil> (probably) aware of the sponsorship problems this
    Nikhil> year. It's strange that no one else mentioned the need for
    Nikhil> LI registration for IT COM to be sponsored, and the
    Nikhil> urgency in doing so. Maybe this is an indication that
    Nikhil> there should be others on the li-reg list who can
    Nikhil> contribute information that you may not have, detached as
    Nikhil> you are from the actual IT scene here.

    >> Also, you are analyzing every tiny bit of Arun's phrasing.  It
    >> is precisely

    Nikhil> I am supposed to read but not analyze? I have to if it
    Nikhil> concerns something that concerns me. Surely I am
    Nikhil> accountable for what I write and post to a list. Arun's
    Nikhil> phrasing was extrmely worrisome to me.

    >> this reason why the li-reg was to be "semi closed".  If it were
    >> open to the world, every one will be analyzing everyone else's
    >> words under huge microscopes.  And others will be analysing the
    >> words you use to analyse someone else's words.  This is why
    >> Debian has two mailing lists - debian-devel is for developers
    >> to discuss issues.  And debian-private (a closed list) where
    >> critical issues are discussed in private.  Even as a Debian
    >> developer, I hardly browse through debian-devel because of the
    >> sheer traffic in it ("What did you mean by the word 'what'?").

    Nikhil> At least on debian devel, I assume that if I am a capable
    Nikhil> coder, who is willing to write or maintain apps for
    Nikhil> debain, I can become part of the list, and contribute to
    Nikhil> the discussions. With LI-reg, I have to sit around and
    Nikhil> wait for a self appointed group to make decisions for me,
    Nikhil> in which I cannot participate, irrespective of my
    Nikhil> capability, or willingness to contribute.

    Nikhil> Anyways : this argument is probably a waste of time if
    Nikhil> those on the list are not willing to accept others point
    Nikhil> of view. I quote the example of linux-kernel, and you
    Nikhil> quote the example of debian-devel. Where does this get us
    Nikhil> ? Bottom line is that li-reg is still going on its
    Nikhil> business, I still don't know what's happening, and no one
    Nikhil> seems to be happy. And so the cycle goes on.

    Nikhil> hopefully someone will step in and put an end to these
    Nikhil> power games, so that I can get to IT COM and have fun.

    Nikhil> nikk


    >>  Thaths -- "Movies aren't stupid. They fill us with romance and
    >> hatred and revenge fantasies. 'Lethal Weapon' showed us that
    >> suicide is funny."  -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n
    >> http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave
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    Nikhil> There are always alternatives.  -- Spock, "The Galileo
    Nikhil> Seven", stardate 2822.3



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