From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 1 07:19:46 2000 Received: from premium.exocore.com (premium.exocore.com [203.197.173.224]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7394A0A6 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by premium.exocore.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB1FIxN15960; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:49:00 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: premium.exocore.com: achitnis owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:48:59 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis To: Cc: , Subject: OS Poll? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/1 india.cnet.com is running a poll - windows v/s linux. Maybe you guys should go an vote? http://india.cnet.com One vote per head, please. Atul From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 1 09:37:29 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143F44A0A2 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB1HO6s02596 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G4WGXM02.OHR for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:36:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3A27E1BA.95C24854@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 09:36:58 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LIH] OS Poll? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/2 Atul Chitnis proclaimed: > india.cnet.com is running a poll - windows v/s linux. Maybe you guys > should go an vote? > > http://india.cnet.com > > One vote per head, please. ITYM one vote per machine. After all, M$ charges by machine instead of user, doesn't it? ;-) Thaths -- "Psephological-chaos theory notes that the vote of a single registered, bemused butterfly in Tallahassee could decide our next president" -- Stan Kelly-Bootle Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 1 22:07:48 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E974A021 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-19.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.19]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454425FE3 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:29:44 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001202113556.00af6220@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:40:54 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: [OT] Censorship Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/3 http://india.cnet.com/news/features/rediff/ Arghhh... Some narrow-minded prick wants the government to control how *I* use the Internet. This is ridiculous. Censorship is Evil(TM). What can we do to stop this idiocy? Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 1 22:12:03 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.78.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2EA4A114; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.home.retortsoft.com (jediland.home.retortsoft.com [192.168.111.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23049; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:30:43 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.home.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02925; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:07:55 +0530 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 21:07:55 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-help@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: OS Poll? Message-ID: <20001201210755.H1627@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-help@lists.linux-india.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.11i In-Reply-To: ; from achitnis@exocore.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:48:59PM +0530 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Tongue-In: Cheek X-Archive-Number: 200012/4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Atul Chitnis forced the electrons to say: > india.cnet.com is running a poll - windows v/s linux. Maybe you guys > should go an vote? Well, my browser (konqueror) segfaulted everytime I tried clicking on the 'vote' button. Had to fire up netscape just to vote. :-( Binand PS: Can we have a 'best browser' flame war now? Please??? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6J8XLGXtiwttetWoRAkdgAJ9B3NlmystkdS8CaCcalz7E2gVmPwCgnUsS UJqT13nCN/n8utS7s2LTihA= =poTj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 07:01:13 2000 Received: from bluesky.imeme.net (imeme.net [216.17.170.123]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598014A060 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 06:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from (kevin) [210.214.146.208] by bluesky.imeme.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 142DKq-0005kZ-00; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 07:08:28 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Kiran Jonnalagadda" To: Subject: 815 drivers Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 19:39:43 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal X-Archive-Number: 200012/5 So I went to google.com/linux looking for drivers for the new 815 box I have at work, and this page came up: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel815/linuxsoftware.htm I'm still shaking my head in disbelief. *Intel* has released both RPMs and *source* patches to XFree86 3.3.6. My next post to the list will hopefully have a different X-Mailer tag. Kiran_Jonnalagadda @ jasubhai.com baby.sh: while true; do echo "^G^G^G^G^G"; sed -e 's/food/poop/'; sync; sync; sleep 15; done From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 09:24:42 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFD549F48 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.104]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:43:00 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, kbk@chequemail.com Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:49:21 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: mallet@efn.org References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> In-Reply-To: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/6 I agree wholeheartedly with the view below. As one of the founder-members of ILUG-Goa, I would like to thank GTCDrom publicly for all the help they have given us at various stages of our existance over the past year and half. To my mind, one has to be careful before copying Amercian concepts of what constitutes 'spam'. Those definitions come from a culture where privacy of an individual is a supreme value. In our context, where we need to tune into new ideas, perhaps we need to look at things differently. Some of the "unsolicited mail" that ends up in my mailbox is actually quite useful to me. Just because it happens to be 'spam' based on some American definition, I'm not willing to look at it in the same manner. Once again, I thank Taranath for all the help received from his organisation... as a small tribute, I plan to write a feature to the unusual work GT Enterprises has been attempting. --Frederick Noronha, Freelance Journalist, Goa. On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, kbk@chequemail.com wrote: > Hello, > Ofcourse everybody hates Spam! and there are several ways to block it. > What happened to gtcdrom.com is too harsh from linux community to a linux seller(Atleast you should feel proud In B'lore,India we can get desired Linux,when you think of Pakistan,B'desh,Srilanka,Ukraine..).And it is hard selling Linux and pushing linux in Indian market(since less than 2.0 kernel, they took risk , and they are doing and I think they will continue) as it is not so userfriendly, and even for them they took a long time to switch to LInux from Windows, AFAIK its only about 3 months back.Eventhough LIG boasts you can get support for all and always.It is still catching,people who really can answer are not answering I think, you cant help.And you all know to what expertise institutes teach and Internet can do. > They had supported Linux-India a lot by giving a lot of free CD's by mail,in Bang Linux & IT.COM and sponsored LIG meetings too.The mailing list of them is also a request of so many people who want to know recent things from Linux and also they written to send them a mail who want to unsubscribe.Since they are not technically sound to implement Majordomo or other mailing list managers , they adopted one what they knew. > Nobody supported or came forward to implement one like that, I think even after they wont find people.Dont think I am talking on behalf of GTCDROM, I am only a person talking who is benefitted by those free CD's and promo texts and knew after working how better Linux/OpenBSD/FreeBSD is. > Atleast let them to mail the latest Linux stuff in to LIG mailing list and help them in rebuilding and serving Linux users. > Long live the Linux spirit. > > Linux Lover. > > > Chequemail.com - a free web based e-mail service that also pays!!! > http://www.chequemail.com > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 11:02:13 2000 Received: from bom6.vsnl.net.in (bom6.vsnl.net.in [202.54.4.38]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29EA4A269 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (unknown [203.197.34.220]) by bom6.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116B455FFF for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:14:14 +0500 (IST) Message-ID: <000001c05c8f$f7db5880$dc22c5cb@default> From: "Vikrant Dhawale" To: References: <20001128191911.14529.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Driver for sm56motorola modem Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:02:10 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200012/7 : I would like to know if linux driver is available for : sm56 software modem of motorola. Goto following sites http://linmodems.org http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html Check in their database of modems whether it works in linux or not (ie a driver is available or not) Thanks Vikrant Dhawale --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- Please reply in plain text only, check your mail client options before replying From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 11:12:59 2000 Received: from mailweb12.rediffmail.com (unknown [203.199.83.28]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FB214A164 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15927 invoked by uid 510); 2 Dec 2000 19:04:15 -0000 Date: 2 Dec 2000 19:04:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001202190415.15926.qmail@mailweb12.rediffmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: OS Poll? From: "Nilesh Chaudhari" Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Description: Body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/8 Atul wrote: >india.cnet.com is running a poll - windows v/s linux. >Maybe you guys should go and vote? Well, a badly designed poll script!! I managed to increase Linux's share from 61% to 62% in a few seconds. ;) (That's it nothing more, I didn't intend to rig the polls. I was only testing them) Nilesh. _____________________________________________________ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com Participate in crazy auctions at http://auctions.rediff.com/auctions/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 11:37:28 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E884A139 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13424; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:34:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:34:28 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: raghul@india.ti.com Subject: Re: [LIH] Think about this Message-ID: <20001202113428.B13408@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <3A234410.A5B1FC9A@india.ti.com> <3A235220.8324FC25@india.ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3A235220.8324FC25@india.ti.com>; from raghul@india.ti.com on Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 12:05:12PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/9 On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 12:05:12PM +0530, Raghunath L wrote: > Look what Zander is saying about Linux Too mild a flame bait. Try your luck on linux-india-general next time :) -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 11:58:36 2000 Received: from bom8.vsnl.net.in (bom8.vsnl.net.in [202.54.4.125]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379FD4A139 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fangorn.localdomain (unknown [202.54.0.152]) by bom8.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B1097D38 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:22:56 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Devdas Bhagat Reply-To: dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Best browsers (was Re: OS Poll?) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:45:27 +0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.61] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001201210755.H1627@bombay.retortsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <20001201210755.H1627@bombay.retortsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120301452701.00581@fangorn.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/10 On Fri, 01 Dec 2000, Binand Raj S. spewed into the ether: > PS: Can we have a 'best browser' flame war now? Please??? Ok, you have been asking for one, so lets have some fun. I'll vote for one that works, most often lynx, followed by konqueror, then netscape. Goes off to the nuclear shelter to compile Mozilla and L2.4t9--time to test netfilters. IE over VNC ;) Devdas Bhagat -- It took 300 years to build and by the time it was 10% built, everyone knew it would be a total disaster. But by then the investment was so big they felt compelled to go on. Since its completion, it has cost a fortune to maintain and is still in danger of collapsing. There are at present no plans to replace it, since it was never really needed in the first place. I expect every installation has its own pet software which is analogous to the above. -- K.E. Iverson, on the Leaning Tower of Pisa From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 13:29:21 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31E4A157 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.90]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:55:01 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Wild Worm With Pro-Linux Message (Technology 8:35 a.m. PST) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:12:02 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012030012160I.00472@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/11 Wild Worm With Pro-Linux Message (Technology 8:35 a.m. PST) http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,40457,00.html?tw=wn20001201 Brace your computers for another annoying worm on the loose, this one with a political message: Get rid of Windows and install the Linux OS. By Michelle Delio. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 13:30:51 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2474A168 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.90]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:56:29 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: ilug-goa@egroups.com Subject: QUERY from Norway... Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:56:11 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012030256350I.00478@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/12 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: contact me Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:12:36 +0200 From: Javier Montero Dear Sir I am working i young norwegian company in the marketing, reserch and development department. Our company are distribuites Compaq pc'r, servers network instalation, etc.. We have a new projects for the neare future. We shall build up Thin Clients, Parallel Computing, wire less network and ASP service. We are interesting in to get in contact wiht students an invite dem to Norway to enjoy us in this projects . We need a person with such knowlogy.!!!! Please give my e-mail to all linux users so can contact me. Regards Javier Montero Alpha System AS www.alphasystem.no ------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 20:57:20 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034DE4A18C for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganwaar.com by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id KAA0000012414; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:23:40 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by ganwaar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03422; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:26:13 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14889.53868.630456.679723@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:26:12 +0530 (IST) To: fred@bytesforall.org Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, kbk@chequemail.com, mallet@efn.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/13 I agree with Fred to some extent. While GT is definitely guilty of spam, they are also providing a very helpful service to the community with their cheap (and not-so-cheap) CD's. Can we work out some way by which GT is allowed to inform the community when new offers are available while not spamming? I was thinking in terms of Taranath sending his catalogue at regular intervals to the Linux-India webmaster, who could then put it up on the site and send the URL to the list. That would solve all problems, except that the webmaster would have more work to do (but if s/he were scared of work, s/he shouldn't have taken up the webmaster job in the first place :) Regards, -- Raju >>>>> "Fred" == Frederick Noronha writes: Fred> I agree wholeheartedly with the view below. As one of the Fred> founder-members of ILUG-Goa, I would like to thank GTCDrom Fred> publicly for all the help they have given us at various Fred> stages of our existance over the past year and half. To my Fred> mind, one has to be careful before copying Amercian concepts Fred> of what constitutes 'spam'. Those definitions come from a Fred> culture where privacy of an individual is a supreme Fred> value. In our context, where we need to tune into new ideas, Fred> perhaps we need to look at things differently. Some of the Fred> "unsolicited mail" that ends up in my mailbox is actually Fred> quite useful to me. Just because it happens to be 'spam' Fred> based on some American definition, I'm not willing to look Fred> at it in the same manner. Once again, I thank Taranath for Fred> all the help received from his organisation... as a small Fred> tribute, I plan to write a feature to the unusual work GT Fred> Enterprises has been attempting. --Frederick Noronha, Fred> Freelance Journalist, Goa. Fred> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, kbk@chequemail.com wrote: >> Hello, Ofcourse everybody hates Spam! and there are several >> ways to block it. What happened to gtcdrom.com is too harsh >> from linux community to a linux seller(Atleast you should feel >> proud In B'lore,India we can get desired Linux,when you think >> of Pakistan,B'desh,Srilanka,Ukraine..).And it is hard selling >> Linux and pushing linux in Indian market(since less than 2.0 >> kernel, they took risk , and they are doing and I think they >> will continue) as it is not so userfriendly, and even for them >> they took a long time to switch to LInux from Windows, AFAIK >> its only about 3 months back.Eventhough LIG boasts you can get >> support for all and always.It is still catching,people who >> really can answer are not answering I think, you cant help.And >> you all know to what expertise institutes teach and Internet >> can do. They had supported Linux-India a lot by giving a lot >> of free CD's by mail,in Bang Linux & IT.COM and sponsored LIG >> meetings too.The mailing list of them is also a request of so >> many people who want to know recent things from Linux and also >> they written to send them a mail who want to unsubscribe.Since >> they are not technically sound to implement Majordomo or other >> mailing list managers , they adopted one what they knew. >> Nobody supported or came forward to implement one like that, I >> think even after they wont find people.Dont think I am talking >> on behalf of GTCDROM, I am only a person talking who is >> benefitted by those free CD's and promo texts and knew after >> working how better Linux/OpenBSD/FreeBSD is. Atleast let them >> to mail the latest Linux stuff in to LIG mailing list and help >> them in rebuilding and serving Linux users. Long live the >> Linux spirit. >> >> Linux Lover. >> >> >> Chequemail.com - a free web based e-mail service that also >> pays!!! http://www.chequemail.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 2 22:27:14 2000 Received: from hbcse.tifr.res.in (hbcse.tifr.res.in [158.144.44.129]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690A04A1FE for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nagarjun@localhost) by hbcse.tifr.res.in (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id eB36KAP01116; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:50:10 +0530 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:50:10 +0530 (IST) From: "Nagarjuna G." To: Raju Mathur Cc: fred@bytesforall.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, kbk@chequemail.com, mallet@efn.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <14889.53868.630456.679723@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/14 On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Raju Mathur wrote: ->I agree with Fred to some extent. -> ->While GT is definitely guilty of spam, they are also providing a very ->helpful service to the community with their cheap (and not-so-cheap) ->CD's. -> ->Can we work out some way by which GT is allowed to inform the ->community when new offers are available while not spamming? I was ->thinking in terms of Taranath sending his catalogue at regular ->intervals to the Linux-India webmaster, who could then put it up on ->the site and send the URL to the list. That would solve all problems, ->except that the webmaster would have more work to do (but if s/he were ->scared of work, s/he shouldn't have taken up the webmaster job in the ->first place :) The best thing to do would be to have link at the linux-india website and other ilug sites to GT's website. It will be GT's responsibility to update their site. Nagarjuna From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 00:59:46 2000 Received: from mysore.nagendra.com (unknown [203.129.240.48]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04654A0A6 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.129.242.20] (helo=mail.dotcom.fr) by mysore.nagendra.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 142VLF-0004Fe-00 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:52:03 +0530 Message-ID: <3A2ACA0A.649CB02@mail.dotcom.fr> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:32:42 -0800 From: "Nagendra, VU2CLN" Reply-To: root@nagendra.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/15 or better/easy soultions would be just to allow gt to post to LIG/LIH max of 2 mail updates / month.......and comeone 2 mails will not be any major problem for even a 9.6k mail only users as long as it's only pure text...we can think gt as a list sponsor(due to free linux cds they give away) as anyway all others mailing lists(innl/ciol/etc) have commercial stuff embbeded in them. Nagendra VU2CLN "Nagarjuna G." wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Raju Mathur wrote: > > ->I agree with Fred to some extent. > -> > ->While GT is definitely guilty of spam, they are also providing a very > ->helpful service to the community with their cheap (and not-so-cheap) > ->CD's. > -> > ->Can we work out some way by which GT is allowed to inform the > ->community when new offers are available while not spamming? I was > ->thinking in terms of Taranath sending his catalogue at regular > ->intervals to the Linux-India webmaster, who could then put it up on > ->the site and send the URL to the list. That would solve all problems, > ->except that the webmaster would have more work to do (but if s/he were > ->scared of work, s/he shouldn't have taken up the webmaster job in the > ->first place :) > > The best thing to do would be to have link at the linux-india website > and other ilug sites to GT's website. It will be GT's responsibility > to update their site. > > Nagarjuna > > ---------------------------------------------- > LIG is all for free speech. But it was created > for a purpose. Violations of the rules of > this list will result in stern action. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 02:28:56 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FE149F48 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB3AOXQ06827 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:54:33 +0530 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:54:33 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Message-ID: <20001203155433.F6756@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 08:49:21PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/16 Frederick Noronha rearranged electrons thusly: > I agree wholeheartedly with the view below. As one of the > founder-members of ILUG-Goa, I would like to thank GTCDrom I have no problems with what other things GTCDROM is doing (such as making available a wide range of fairly cheap CDs of various linuxen, sponsoring lug meets and expos etc) However, I *do* have a problem with their spamming. > To my mind, one has to be careful before copying Amercian > concepts of what constitutes 'spam'. Those definitions come from > a culture where privacy of an individual is a supreme value. In Oh yeah? "Me casa, su casa" is a good concept - but it does NOT apply to mailboxes. We pay good money for our mailboxes (and internet access time) - FAR more than what anyone in the USA pays for a similar service. So, we - and not some marketeer - should be the arbiter of what we want and dont want in our mailboxes. > Some of the "unsolicited mail" that ends up in my mailbox is > actually quite useful to me. Just because it happens to be > 'spam' based on some American definition, I'm not willing to > look at it in the same manner. Not "American Definition", "Deepest African Definition" etc etc - spam = unsolicited commercial and/or bulk email. Spam is not about content, it is about conSENT. Sent that way, "Free Linux" and "Save the Whales" is just as objectionable as "Free Hot Teenage Babes" or "Buy Now!!! Stock Price will ZOOM!!!" - and deserves the same treatment (complain to the ISPs, get the site and email addresses deleted etc etc) > Once again, I thank Taranath for all the help received from his > organisation... as a small tribute, I plan to write a feature to > the unusual work GT Enterprises has been attempting. --Frederick Again, Fred - as I made it VERY clear to Mr.Taranath, I respect everything else he and GT Enterprises are doing - _except_ the spam. Take a look at what Linus Torvalds says about spam, it is quite lucid. Spam is NOT free speech / freedom of expression. It is theft of service - and a shifting of costs for _your_ (your in the general sense) advertising to various people (your ISP, my ISP, etc etc) who dont know or care about whatever great offer is being advertised. My mailbox is mine, not the spammers. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 02:31:51 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138B14A07A for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB3ARga06833 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:57:42 +0530 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:57:42 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Message-ID: <20001203155742.G6756@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> <14889.53868.630456.679723@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14889.53868.630456.679723@localhost.localdomain>; from raju@linux-delhi.org on Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 10:26:12AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/17 Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: > Can we work out some way by which GT is allowed to inform the > community when new offers are available while not spamming? I was Ummm... if you will remember, they _were_ posting to LI - till they were booted from the list by Thaths for ignoring requests to add the [commercial] tag and harvesting mailboxes from LI-* and local LUG lists to add to their mailing list. > intervals to the Linux-India webmaster, who could then put it up on > the site and send the URL to the list. That would solve all problems, Frankly, anyone and everyone here on the list (and other lists) knows about GT, and knows where to find http://www.gtcdrom.com - and if anyone asks where to get some foo distro, someone or the other generally points him that way. As for finding out _what_ new distros are available, there is always freshmeat , linuxberg etc ;) So I dont see the point of the whole thing. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 03:25:20 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43724A07A for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 03:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) with ESMTP id eB3BL9h06988 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:51:10 +0530 Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:51:09 +0530 (IST) From: Suresh Ramasubramanian X-Sender: suresh@mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: fw: [silk] Ken Thompson retires from Bell Labs. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/18 Sorry for the fw:fw: chainletter sort of post guys - but this is definitely not yet another chain letter (posted to another list /me is on). The end of an era, sort of :) [...] http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/ken/chesseg.html As of December 1, 2000, I will be leaving Bell Labs to pursue flight instructing full time. I do not know what will happen to this site after that. In particular, the chess endgames could disappear at any time. [...] --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 06:20:52 2000 Received: from www.skycable.net (unknown [12.10.209.133]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEA44A00F for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 06:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from t9h1a6 ([12.10.209.138]) by www.skycable.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA05514 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:08:16 +0530 From: zeeble@skycable.net To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:50:04 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: browser war Re: OS Poll? Message-ID: <3A2AA3EC.16574.35B8D@localhost> In-reply-to: <20001201210755.H1627@bombay.retortsoft.com> References: ; from achitnis@exocore.com on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:48:59PM +0530 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Archive-Number: 200012/19 On 1 Dec 2000, at 21:07, Binand Raj S. wrote: > PS: Can we have a 'best browser' flame war now? Please??? But of course:) Links, w3m and lynx in that order for console Was a devoted netscape user till not long back in X, but now it is the mozilla engine run through other browsers like galeon or skipstone. Skipstone works better for me than galeon though. Opera is also coming along pretty nicely and seems far more promising than mozilla....the 30 day trial period aside From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 07:18:47 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41E84A0E6 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay (PPP-177-232.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.177.232]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9A86075 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:40:34 +0530 (IST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001203204839.00d08100@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 20:49:28 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: [HUMOUR] Jedix myths Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/20 For those who recall the "Linux Myths" page: http://www.microsith.com/jedix-myths.php3 Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 10:24:38 2000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP-181-222.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.181.222]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95F049F37 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.com (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02861 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:57:17 +0530 Message-ID: <3A2A9083.2B049807@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:57:15 +0530 From: root X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: problem with mic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/21 hi guys, I was just on the brink of frustration with my linux 'coz it could not support my yamaha YMF soundcard , until red hat 7 came with a compatible driver. thank God! but now I am having a problem with my mic. the sound recorder program refuses to record my voice! says "another program is running" . every thing spoken into the mic is directly amplified into the speakers. anyone has any idea how I can get my mic to start working properly? please mail me bak at abioommen@yahoo.com. thanks!! From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 13:30:09 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F24A12A for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.70]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:55:40 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: QUERY: What is Small Linux? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:41:19 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120402442001.00478@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/22 The April 1999 issue of *Computer World* has a CD containing the program called *Small Linux*. Any idea what this is? In addition, could anyone give me some suggestions as to what Linux version could fit on a 486, 240MB hard disk. I know this is small, but plan to use it just for keying in articles and maybe picking up e-mail while on the road. Would it be advisable to avoid x-windows? My requirements are basically (i) word processing, non-graphical is fine (ii) e-mailing, somewhat heavy duty and (iii) if possible, a little downloading of digital photos from a Kodak280 camera (s/w comes only for Win/Mac). Could Linux offer solutions for this? Thanks in advance. -Frederick -- *********************************************************** frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 *********************************************************** Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 *********************************************************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 20:21:01 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E224A237 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB44GVc00452 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:46:31 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:46:31 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: QUERY: What is Small Linux? Message-ID: <20001204094631.B442@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <00120402442001.00478@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00120402442001.00478@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 02:41:19AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/23 Frederick Noronha rearranged electrons thusly: > In addition, could anyone give me some suggestions as to what > Linux version could fit on a 486, 240MB hard disk. I know this slackware or debian will do the trick - or get yourself freebsd (minimum required - 386 with 5 mb ram) > is small, but plan to use it just for keying in articles and > maybe picking up e-mail while on the road. Would it be advisable > to avoid x-windows? obviously > My requirements are basically (i) word > processing, non-graphical is fine vim (or tex) > (ii) e-mailing, somewhat heavy > duty Mutt - dont even look at pine :) > and (iii) if possible, a little downloading of digital > photos from a Kodak280 camera (s/w comes only for Win/Mac). I suppose you have commandline tools for this - or you could export the stuff to a floppy as jpg in the camera itself? Any linux solutions around for this would be X based I think. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 22:07:59 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305524A191 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-11.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.11]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C9C60C8; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:24:41 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:36:13 +0530 To: fred@bytesforall.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <00120220540500.00472@bytesforall> References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/24 Fred, At 08:49 PM 02/12/00 +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote: >To my mind, one has to be careful before copying Amercian >concepts of what constitutes 'spam'. Those definitions come from >a culture where privacy of an individual is a supreme value. In >our context, where we need to tune into new ideas, perhaps we >need to look at things differently. Ignoring for now the rather dubious connection between spam and privacy, do you mean to say that as an Indian I should have no concern for my privacy? Privacy is an American concept? Get real! Secondly, I don't see the connection between privacy and spam. >Some of the "unsolicited mail" that ends up in my mailbox is >actually quite useful to me. Just because it happens to be >'spam' based on some American definition, I'm not willing to >look at it in the same manner. To use Suresh's catch-phrase "Spam is not about content -- it's about consent." I pay for my internet access by the minute. I pay for every bit of unsolicited mail I download. This is plain economics: encouraging spam costs me money, so I will *not* tolerate it from *anybody*, be it GT, RMS, Linus or God himself. I also find your insinuation that fighting spam is somehow un-Indian or a mindless American fad extremely insulting. >Once again, I thank Taranath for all the help received from his >organisation... as a small tribute, I plan to write a feature to >the unusual work GT Enterprises has been attempting. --Frederick >Noronha, Freelance Journalist, Goa. Once again, let me stress the point: I have nothing against GT's business -- only his business practices. I would not have objected had he posted a link to an online catalogue with a [Commercial] tag on the BLUG or LIG list. I *do* object however, to his trawling the BLUG list for email ids and then sending big mails to them. Your attitude to spam is very disappointing. By tolerating it, you are encouraging it. I don't particularly care whether your mailbox is overwhelmed by spam, but you are preventing me from having any control over my mailbox. Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 3 23:33:21 2000 Received: from unknown-147.101.pilot.net (unknown-147-101.pilot.net [198.232.147.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578944AF17 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-24-15.pilot.net (unknown-24-15.pilot.net [206.189.24.15]) by unknown-147.101.pilot.net with ESMTP id WAA04577 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-24-15.pilot.net with ESMTP id WAA24957 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:30:30 +0530 Message-ID: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:30:36 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200012/25 Hi Biju ! #-----Original Message----- #From: Biju Chacko [mailto:biju_chacko@yahoo.com] Thanks for that unambiguous message. I feel that people do not appreciate the anti-spam efforts because they feel that email is "free". Think of a world without email. If GT were to send Linux-devotees "book-posts", where the stamp charges would have to be borne by the addressed [ie the person receiving the mail], would they have been so appreciative of GT's business practices ?=20 To take a step further, let us scale the problem, suppose you [general-person-plural] have GT, porn.com, nationalgeographic.com, nasa.gov, foo.edu, and your local halwa dealer, sending you unstamped postcards [to be paid by you :-)] , what would you feel like , receiving 27 unwanted posts a day ? The problem, I feel, is that of a "perceived" value.. people 's perception of email being FREE not CHEAP. Usually, these are people [like me] who do not have to wait for the slow-downloads at cybercafes, watching their purses drain with each single tick of the clock. If ISPs/mail portals start charging by "volume"and not time, then people will take note of the situation. #I also find your insinuation that=20 #fighting spam is=20 #somehow un-Indian or a mindless American fad extremely insulting. Absolutely correct. I do not realise why and how spam is an American concept ? If origin is your [FN] logic, then email / internet / the whole b!**dy jing_bang of digital devices should be looked at in the same perspective. So, let it be said, in no unclear terms, that spam affects Ravi Sharma AS MUCH as it does John Doe. Let us not think of "spam" as just another hip-word from the West. #---------- #Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h=20 #o o . c o m your email id is wrapping. that could be a good spam-fighting trick against trawler-robots ! was that intentional ? [ i have noticed the spaces ] Warmest regards Shourya Shourya.Sarcar@geind.ge.com ______________________________________ Global Software Platforms, India GE Medical Systems Tel : +91 80 526 3121 | 3496 [ ext 362 ] =A0 =A0 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 01:30:30 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEF94A00F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-178-77.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.178.77]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A86023 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:02:09 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204135445.00aee470@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:13:28 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: RE: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) In-Reply-To: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.gein d.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/26 At 12:30 PM 04/12/00 +0530, Sarcar, Shourya (MED) wrote: >Hi Biju ! Hi Shourya, >So, let it be said, in no unclear terms, that spam affects Ravi Sharma AS >MUCH as it does John Doe. Let us not think of "spam" as just another >hip-word from the West. I *love* it when people agree with me. :-) >#---------- >#Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h >#o o . c o m > > >your email id is wrapping. that could be a good spam-fighting trick against >trawler-robots ! was that intentional ? [ i have noticed the spaces ] Um...well, don't give me too much credit. Yes the spaces are to defeat robots, but it *shouldn't* wrap. It's *supposed* to be exactly 74 columns wide so that it won't wrap if viewed ay the standard wrap width of 80 columns. Yours seems to be wrapping at 65! Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 01:30:40 2000 Received: from prodserver1.goatelecom.com (unknown [210.212.161.28]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84BC4A116 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall by prodserver1.goatelecom.com (8.9.3/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id OAA0000025720; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:46:41 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: Biju Chacko , linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:26:40 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012041442580B.00665@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/27 Hi Biju, I respect your views. Permit me to explain my stand: 1. IMHO we are needlessly swallowing wholesale, and as natural, a number of arguments from the West about what constitutes spam. This may be relevant for their context; I'm suggesting it isn't necessarily true or the same for us. 2. Anti-spam arguments are premised on the presumption that spam is a violation of my privacy since I have not asked for it. While everyone would value their privacy, the primacy given to this one aspect of life over everything else, IMHO, would and should differ in societies as different as the West and ours. Just like approaches towards proprietory software, making a million, paying back towards society would differ from individual to individual (and more importantly, society to society) from the US to Finland to, say, India. That's perhaps why we are here in the first place. 3. I too pay for my internet access by the minute. So what? I also pay -- directly or otherwise -- for incoming phone calls, snail mail I receive, visitors who drop into my home-office unannounced, or people whom I meet but who don't result in a publishable story! I pay for all this, often indirectly, in terms of time spent to cope with all of these. And for a freelancer like me, and I guess almost every one else of you too, time spent is money lost. Do we argue that all these people phoning, writing, dropping in unsolicited or meeting are indulging in spam? Why this different set of standards for email? I would argue that getting unsolicited calls/letters/visitors/email is part of the game. Beyond a point, everything gets irritating. The question is: what is that point? Should we simply apply arguments from elsewhere to our context? 4. I am not saying that "fighting spam is somehow un-Indian". All that I'm arguing is that we need to be careful of any logic before we accept it. Is it relevant to us? Would we be unfair to others by applying it mechanically to them? 5. As someone who likes to swim against the tide -- and I'm sure most of us belong to that category, that's why we're here -- I am not "tolerating spam" but simply questioning the implicit assumptions that go into defining it. 6. Biju, when you say you are being deprived of "control over" your mailbox, what exactly do you mean? These are cliches which mean little. Do you have any "control" over who drops in to visit you at your home? Did you have any "control" over the fact that you would meet me at the IT.Com in Bangalore ;-) Don't get me wrong, Biju. I respect your hard work, and the fact that you'll guys have built ILUG-Bangalore into the phenomenal force that it is. My writing has tried to reflect this. What I am pained by is when one part of the gang starts fighting with another -- howsoever convincing the arguments on which the infighting is based might sound. -Frederick. -- *********************************************************** frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 *********************************************************** Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 *********************************************************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 01:30:51 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C754A3A0 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 00:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB47wkP01391 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:28:46 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:28:46 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) Message-ID: <20001204132846.B1382@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com>; from Shourya.Sarcar@geind.ge.com on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 12:30:36PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/28 Sarcar, Shourya (MED) rearranged electrons thusly: first, let me congratulate you on a lot of cool stuff you wrote in that post :) > #---------- > #Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h > #o o . c o m > your email id is wrapping. that could be a good spam-fighting trick against > trawler-robots ! > was that intentional ? [ i have noticed the spaces ] nothing of the sort I think - just that you use a different font from biju, and unless both of you use monospaced fonts (like courier / andale mono / lucida console in 'doze) you will see two entirely different things. Also, your mailer might be wrapping at a different width than Biju's mailer -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 03:08:43 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811334A10C for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB4A5ef01861 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:35:40 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:35:40 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Message-ID: <20001204153540.A1857@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> <0012041442580B.00665@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <0012041442580B.00665@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 02:26:40PM +0530 Organization: OyeIndia Internetworks X-Archive-Number: 200012/29 Frederick Noronha [Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 02:26:40PM +0530]: > Hi Biju, I respect your views. Permit me to explain my stand: > 1. IMHO we are needlessly swallowing wholesale, and as natural, 8< arguments - I have responded to Fred offlist - and cc'd comments@india.cauce.org - if anyone wishes to continue this thread, I request you to take it off LI-* and onto comments@india.cauce.org (cc yourselves - its just an alias for all the CAUCE members, not a mailing list) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + suresh@oyeindia.com Sysadmin, OyeIndia.Com + http://oyeindia.com It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 03:08:59 2000 Received: from prodserver1.goatelecom.com (unknown [210.212.161.28]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0674A116 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall by prodserver1.goatelecom.com (8.9.3/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id OAA0000025463; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:46:25 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: LINK: Linux Pakistan chapter Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:17:11 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120414190402.00665@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/30 From a friend in Pakistan. I've not check out the site myself yet, but am just sharing it with others who might be interested.... FN PS: Zunaira is editor @ SPIDER, the Internet magazine from Karachi. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: linux PK Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:08:28 +0500 From: zunaira durrani dear fred, plz see the foll. Linux Pakistan Chapter http://www.linux.com.pk/ best zunaira -------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 03:09:06 2000 Received: from mailway.vxl.co.in (unknown [202.54.39.164]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B5564A0B9 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from vayudoot.vxl.co.in by mailway.vxl.co.in id aa03222; 4 Dec 100 16:01 IST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:41:36 +0530 (IST) From: Venkat Hallale To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Regarding SSL API In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204135445.00aee470@cheetah> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/31 Hi team, Where I get the SSL api documentation ? I want to write the my own application using SSL APIs? Thanks in advance Regards Venkat Hallale From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 05:34:07 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E569F4A0B9 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-3.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.3]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C138635F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:16:18 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204163547.00ad24e0@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:49:31 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <0012041442580B.00665@bytesforall> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> <20001129061542.10650.cpmta@c000.muc.cp.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20001204105659.00ae9e70@cheetah> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/32 Fred, It seems obvious that we will not agree on this. I see no purpose in wasting the bandwidth of subscribers to LIG by continuing this thread. Shall we just agree to disagree? Biju At 02:26 PM 04/12/00 +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote: >Hi Biju, I respect your views. Permit me to explain my stand: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 08:42:49 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431CB4A147 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganwaar.com by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id VAA0000010540; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:01:42 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by ganwaar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04722; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:04:21 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:04:21 +0530 (IST) To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) In-Reply-To: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/33 >>>>> "Shourya" == MED writes: Shourya> [snip] Shourya> #I also find your insinuation that #fighting spam is Shourya> #somehow un-Indian or a mindless American fad extremely Shourya> insulting. Shourya> Absolutely correct. I do not realise why and how spam is Shourya> an American concept ? If origin is your [FN] logic, then Shourya> email / internet / the whole b!**dy jing_bang of digital Shourya> devices should be looked at in the same perspective. How many Indian Internet users actually know what the word spam means? Not saying it's an american concept, but the word itself is something quite unknown to most people here. -- Raju From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 4 10:20:49 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAE84A12B for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27072; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:26:41 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:26:41 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: Raju Mathur Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) In-Reply-To: <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/34 On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Raju Mathur wrote: > How many Indian Internet users actually know what the word spam means? > > Not saying it's an american concept, but the word itself is something > quite unknown to most people here. Sorry it may be OFFTOPIC to the Linux group. But in reality, the word Internet itself, is unknown to most of the Indian. Usually whenever i get some free time (mostly in sundays) i will go to some govt. schools or other colleges and voluntarily take (awareness) seminars on Internet. During these time, i have just wondered how ignorant are my fellow countrymen about Internet. The condition is very worst in non-metropolitan cities within the state. For e.g. if you go to places like thanjavur, tuticorin, tirunelveli, they will simply laugh at you if you tell about Internet because they don't even have proper computer facilities intheir colleges. Telephone services are still worst. Most of the college students in these places even don't know how to copy a file in a floppy (well you may say that 9 year old guy is doing linux installation - but my dear countrymen, pl. look the rest of the people also). It will be nice, if ILUG take some initiative ona regular basis (say weekly or monthly) to conduct Internet aware seminars particularly to govt. schools and colleges (really you don't believe, lot of young poor brilliant guys are there in govt. schools waiting for some mentor to guide them). If we are able to co-ordinate allthese young chaps, we can achieve a lot in India itself. Those who are having your old 286/386 can donate them to the schools so that they can load somebasic software like BASIC, C Program etc.., REally speaking Banglinux and IT.COM are not needed for the 90% of the Indian, all they need is to start them, to initiate them with basic stuff (especially poor govt. schools and colleges) and some minimum support fromthe computer gurus. I strongly believe that ILUG can contribute a lot to achieve this goal. -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 08:03:26 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07724A219 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from bit ([61.11.7.175]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:21:53 +0530 Message-ID: <000201c05ed4$3f7b5960$af070b3d@bit> From: "Sunil Varghese" To: References: Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:19:09 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Archive-Number: 200012/35 > Sorry it may be OFFTOPIC to the Linux group. But in reality, the word > Internet itself, is unknown to most of the Indian. Usually whenever i get > some free time (mostly in sundays) i will go to some govt. schools or other > colleges and voluntarily take (awareness) seminars on Internet. During these > time, i have just wondered how ignorant are my fellow countrymen about > Internet. The condition is very worst in non-metropolitan cities within the > state. For e.g. if you go to places like thanjavur, tuticorin, tirunelveli, > they will simply laugh at you if you tell about Internet because they don't > even have proper computer facilities intheir colleges. Telephone services are > still worst. Most of the college students in these places even don't know how > to copy a file in a floppy (well you may say that 9 year old guy is doing > linux installation - but my dear countrymen, pl. look the rest of the people > also). Good to know that there are people like u doing such good work for the poor. There is no better work than enlightening the students about opportunities. > REally speaking Banglinux and IT.COM are not needed for the 90% of the Indian, > all they need is to start them, to initiate them with basic stuff (especially > poor govt. schools and colleges) and some minimum support fromthe computer > gurus. I strongly believe that ILUG can contribute a lot to achieve this > goal. Well I disagree with you on the point, may be I am wrong , but Banglinux and IT.COM is definetly required for the rest of 10 % of the population who are pushing the country ahead. But it is also true that the country cannot progress with rest 90 % staggering behind. Well also in this 10 % of the educated and enlightened lot we need to enlighten people about the freedom linux offer as an operating system . Most of the literate people I have in my state (Gujarat) now nothing but windows. For them computer is nothing but Intel *P* (1,2,3) & windows, windows and windows and nothing but windows . They have not seen nor heard anything other than this. So I belive we should also work on this part too . Regards Sunil Varghese (Ahmedabad ) From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 08:16:38 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC1B4A123 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-72.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.72]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21546 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:29:25 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000001c05e6f$ba73b5a0$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Subject: Re: QUERY: What is Small Linux? Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:01:17 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/36 Go for debian, use minimum install, and then choose application as you require. Your requirement should fit in 40-50 Mb only. BTW your requirement can also fit on floppy (1.44 Mb ). I have done lots of experiment on squeezing linux, the smallest is just less than 1.2 Mb. Regards, Mukund Deshmukh Beta Computronics Pvt. Ltd. Web Site - www.betacomp.com -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Noronha To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:57 AM Subject: [LIG] QUERY: What is Small Linux? >The April 1999 issue of *Computer World* has a CD containing the >program called *Small Linux*. Any idea what this is? >In addition, could anyone give me some suggestions as to what >Linux version could fit on a 486, 240MB hard disk. I know this >is small, but plan to use it just for keying in articles and >maybe picking up e-mail while on the road. Would it be advisable >to avoid x-windows? My requirements are basically (i) word >processing, non-graphical is fine (ii) e-mailing, somewhat heavy >duty and (iii) if possible, a little downloading of digital >photos from a Kodak280 camera (s/w comes only for Win/Mac). >Could Linux offer solutions for this? >Thanks in advance. -Frederick >-- > *********************************************************** > frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org > near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 > *********************************************************** > Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org > News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ > Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ > GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 > *********************************************************** > >---------------------------------------------- >The mailing list archives are available at >http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIG From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 08:18:43 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835F4A153 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB54BLa04197 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:41:21 +0530 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:41:21 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) Message-ID: <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain>; from raju@linux-delhi.org on Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 09:04:21PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/37 Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: > How many Indian Internet users actually know what the word spam means? > Not saying it's an american concept, but the word itself is something > quite unknown to most people here. They find out very fast when 1. They get tired of just hitting delete for every spam they get 2. They (or their family) is embarassed by yet another "Free XXX" spam 3. They try out a little "e-mail marketing" and get their accounts / sites deleted by their ISP [ob. LI] - http://www.spambouncer.org - great procmail filters -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 08:19:28 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C774A204 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganwaar.com by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id TAA0000020479; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:53:20 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by ganwaar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02272; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:55:57 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:55:56 +0530 (IST) To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <3A2C6CDD.6C5B6D83@controlnet.co.in> References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <3A2C6CDD.6C5B6D83@controlnet.co.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/38 I tend to align with Fred Noronha, ad defined spam as unsolicited commercial e-mail which different people would assign different levels of usefulness to. I may find GT's postings useful, you may find them junk, another person may find them offensive. I fully agree with Fred in that GT is doing a good service for the community. I also agree with Suresh in that GT should be prevented from posting their stuff to people who don't want to receive it. Is there a solution? Perhaps, perhaps not. Maybe GT could implement a policy of asking people to register their e-mail addresses on their web site, and only send hot updates to registered users. Maybe they could send a single mail with the URL of the latest prices to the list. Maybe linux-india.org could carry the price list. In other words, instead of trying to define what constitutes spam and what doesn't, let's try to figure out a solution for this issue which is acceptable to all parties concerned. Regards, -- Raju >>>>> "Mario" == Mario da Costa writes: Mario> My own 2 cents worth; It seems obvious that those (a large Mario> majority of BLUG) who were the target of spamming from Mario> GTCDROM are against it. The rest of us will really not be Mario> able to be objective unless we too were spammed. Then again Mario> some of us might find the spam informative which may not be Mario> a bad thing. Bottom line if GTCDROM were asked not to spam Mario> and they ignored this request, then what they did was Mario> unacceptable. Mario> + mario Mario> Raju Mathur wrote: >> >>>>> "Shourya" == MED writes: >> Shourya> [snip] #I also find your insinuation that #fighting spam Shourya> is #somehow un-Indian or a mindless American fad Shourya> extremely insulting. >> Shourya> Absolutely correct. I do not realise why and how spam is Shourya> an American concept ? If origin is your [FN] logic, then Shourya> email / internet / the whole b!**dy jing_bang of digital Shourya> devices should be looked at in the same perspective. >> How many Indian Internet users actually know what the word >> spam means? >> >> Not saying it's an american concept, but the word itself is >> something quite unknown to most people here. >> >> -- Raju >> >> ---------------------------------------------- LIG is all for >> free speech. But it was created for a purpose. Violations of >> the rules of this list will result in stern action. Mario> -- ..... in life, there is more imagination than in all our Mario> dreams ..... From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 12:12:22 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1BC4A333 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB5IV4s23852 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G53YPG01.1QL for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3A2D3774.17FB534@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:44:04 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <3A2C6CDD.6C5B6D83@controlnet.co.in> <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/39 Raju Mathur proclaimed: > Maybe GT could implement a > policy of asking people to register their e-mail addresses on their > web site, and only send hot updates to registered users. Maybe they > could send a single mail with the URL of the latest prices to the > list. Maybe linux-india.org could carry the price list. I am open to GT enterprises posting their price list monthly to LIG XOR LIH as long as: (a) They post it in plain text format (b) They prefix the post with thr required COMMERCIAL tag List Admin -- "Psephological-chaos theory notes that the vote of a single registered, bemused butterfly in Tallahassee could decide our next president" -- Stan Kelly-Bootle Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 15:20:00 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0D249EFC for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:09:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.214]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:35:54 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:27:15 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/40 Below is a very interesting news-item. The arguments (and the stand taken) have implications for all of us who would like to see free-shareable Linux grow. How would the others on the list respond to arguments explicitly stated or implied, such as: 1. Piracy "losses" in India exceed Rs 900 crore. 2. Continuing piracy means higher prices for the consumer 3. Piracy means less publisher revenue to invest in new products 4. "Thousands" of jobs are lost since proprietary s/w is not purchased INDIA'S SOFTWARE PIRACY CAUSES LOSS OF RS 900 CRORE ANNUALLY UNITED NEWS OF INDIA, New Delhi, Dec 3 (Indian Express, Dec 4) TWO IN THREE software programs in India are stolen and the software piracy is causing an annual loss of more than Rs 900 crore in the country. These software programs are stolen either through hard-disk loading or counterfeiting, according to Dewang Mehta, president, National Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom). The results of the fifth annual benchmark survey on global software piracy showed that piracy losses in India exceeded Rs 900 crore at a piracy rate of 59 per cent. The survey, conducted by Independent Research for International Planning and Research Corporation, was commissioned by the Business Software Alliance (BSA) and the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA). The continuing piracy problem meant higher prices for consumers, less publisher revenue to invest in new products and a potential barrier to success for software start-ups in India. "If software piracy continues unabated, the local Indian industry will be robbed of thousands of jobs, billions in wages, tax revenues and critical investments in new technologies," Mehta added. Mehta said many chief executive officers, information technology managers and general managers are aware of the civil and criminal penalties for use of unlicensed software. Yet they continue to fail to act. "Unfortunately, there are also businesses who deliberately install and use software without appropriate licences. They risk becoming target of legal action," he said. Software piracy refers to the illegal installation, distribution, sale and use of infringing software. If found liable under the Copyright Act, offenders risk criminal penalties of upto three years in prison and fines upto Rs 200,000 for the offence of copyright infringement. Nasscom and BSA would intensify efforts to stop this menace. "We will continue to assist enforcement authorities to initiate action against individuals and businesses manufacturing, distributing, selling or using illegal products as we have done since 1994," Mehta said. They would also continue to educate the public and the business sector of the effects and dangers of piracy through seminars and press releases. Among other things, Nasscom and BSA have launched a reward programme which would give Rs 50,000 to anyone for providing information leading to successful legal action against companies using unlicensed software, Mehta said. Anyone could give this information on a hotline, 1600-334455 Their campaign would educate the business sector, the community, the distribution channel and dealers about the importance of portecting intellectual property rights, both for the local economy and for the long-term prosperity of India's dynamic software industry.(ENDS) From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 15:20:18 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F7949F45 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.214]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:36:17 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Linux in Africa... Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:38:57 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012051939180I.01167@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/41 * LINUX AFRICA Kyalami Exhibition & Conference Centre Johannesburg, South Africa 24-26 April 2001 Linux is the 21st Century¹s challenge to Microsoft¹s dominance of software development. It offers a real alternative to expensive software purchases and delivers high levels of efficiency and flexibility. It provides a vital option for African enterprises, software developers, web developers, Internet service providers and IT professionals across a wide range of industries. AITEC is hosting the first Linux Africa exhibition and conference in Johannesburg to provide an education and marketing platform to spread Linux knowledge and applications throughout the region. The conference will be held in association with the Linux Professionals Association (LPA) of South Africa, providing a high-level education forum. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 18:19:44 2000 Received: from ip.eth.net (punsmtp.ip.eth.net [202.9.128.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B86E49FF1 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip.eth.net ([61.11.23.15]) by ip.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.467.46); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:48:24 +0530 Message-ID: <3A2DA275.89F8CB46@ip.eth.net> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:50:37 +0530 From: Sathe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually References: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/42 I think that this suggests : 1. Were piracy laws to be strictly enforced, prices of proprietory software would come down. 2. More and more people would switch to free software if the software they now use freely would not be so available. I think in the home and "small office home office (SOHO)" segment the piracy rates rates would be very high as it is quite impossible fotr them to purchase softwares like MS Office, Photoshop, Oracle, VB etc. But under linux we have very viable alternatives like startoffice, postgresql, gimp, LaTeX, apache server etc. At the same time we cannot do away with proprietory software altogether because the dollars we are earning today ( India's software exports for 2000-01 will be around Rs 27000/- crores) come almost totally from the use of proprietory software. Also though it comes at a high price the propritory software is *really good* in terms of perfornance and support. The money factor is always important when i am developing something good, i need to be adequately compensated for my efforts. I think there is some misunderstnding that linux talks only geek's language and is not really useful for the common man. I had this idea too being a non techie but now i hardly switch over to the "other side" of my computer disk. Amit Sathe Frederick Noronha wrote: > Below is a very interesting news-item. The arguments (and the stand > taken) have implications for all of us who would like to see > free-shareable Linux grow. How would the others on the list respond to > arguments explicitly stated or implied, such as: > 1. Piracy "losses" in India exceed Rs 900 crore. > 2. Continuing piracy means higher prices for the consumer > 3. Piracy means less publisher revenue to invest in new products > 4. "Thousands" of jobs are lost since proprietary s/w is not purchased > > INDIA'S SOFTWARE PIRACY CAUSES LOSS OF RS 900 CRORE ANNUALLY > > UNITED NEWS OF INDIA, New Delhi, Dec 3 (Indian Express, Dec 4) > > TWO IN THREE software programs in India are stolen and the software > piracy is causing an annual loss of more than Rs 900 crore in the > country. > > These software programs are stolen either through hard-disk loading or > counterfeiting, according to Dewang Mehta, president, National > Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom). > > The results of the fifth annual benchmark survey on global software > piracy showed that piracy losses in India exceeded Rs 900 crore at a > piracy rate of 59 per cent. > > The survey, conducted by Independent Research for International > Planning and Research Corporation, was commissioned by the Business > Software Alliance (BSA) and the Software and Information Industry > Association (SIIA). > > The continuing piracy problem meant higher prices for consumers, less > publisher revenue to invest in new products and a potential barrier to > success for software start-ups in India. > > "If software piracy continues unabated, the local Indian industry will > be robbed of thousands of jobs, billions in wages, tax revenues and > critical investments in new technologies," Mehta added. > > Mehta said many chief executive officers, information technology > managers and general managers are aware of the civil and criminal > penalties for use of unlicensed software. Yet they continue to fail to > act. > > "Unfortunately, there are also businesses who deliberately install and > use software without appropriate licences. They risk becoming target of > legal action," he said. > > Software piracy refers to the illegal installation, distribution, sale > and use of infringing software. If found liable under the Copyright > Act, offenders risk criminal penalties of upto three years in prison > and fines upto Rs 200,000 for the offence of copyright infringement. > > Nasscom and BSA would intensify efforts to stop this menace. "We will > continue to assist enforcement authorities to initiate action against > individuals and businesses manufacturing, distributing, selling or > using illegal products as we have done since 1994," Mehta said. > > They would also continue to educate the public and the business sector > of the effects and dangers of piracy through seminars and press > releases. Among other things, Nasscom and BSA have launched a reward > programme which would give Rs 50,000 to anyone for providing > information leading to successful legal action against companies using > unlicensed software, Mehta said. > > Anyone could give this information on a hotline, 1600-334455 > > Their campaign would educate the business sector, the community, the > distribution channel and dealers about the importance of portecting > intellectual property rights, both for the local economy and for the > long-term prosperity of India's dynamic software industry.(ENDS) > > ---------------------------------------------- > LIG is all for free speech. But it was created > for a purpose. Violations of the rules of > this list will result in stern action. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 19:48:10 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFD54A019 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganwaar.com by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id IAA0000017684; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:50:48 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by ganwaar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02700; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:53:25 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14893.45357.11233.82122@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:53:24 +0530 (IST) To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) In-Reply-To: <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/43 X-Sequence-Number: 782 Ah, so you don't know the origin of the word either :) >>>>> "Suresh" == Suresh Ramasubramanian writes: Suresh> Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: >> How many Indian Internet users actually know what the word spam >> means? Not saying it's an american concept, but the word >> itself is something quite unknown to most people here. Suresh> They find out very fast when Suresh> 1. They get tired of just hitting delete for every spam Suresh> they get 2. They (or their family) is embarassed by yet Suresh> another "Free XXX" spam 3. They try out a little "e-mail Suresh> marketing" and get their accounts / sites deleted by their Suresh> ISP Suresh> [ob. LI] - http://www.spambouncer.org - great procmail Suresh> filters Suresh> -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my Suresh> mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 5 23:55:17 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F42B49FF0 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB64GKU06959 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:46:20 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:46:20 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) Message-ID: <20001206094620.I6912@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> <14893.45357.11233.82122@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14893.45357.11233.82122@localhost.localdomain>; from raju@linux-delhi.org on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 08:53:24AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/44 X-Sequence-Number: 783 Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: > Ah, so you don't know the origin of the word either :) I have seen the Monty Python viking sketch, fwiw. +suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 00:39:54 2000 Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D529049F4C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay.pobox.com (unknown [202.144.73.167]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757983258C; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:29:16 -0500 (EST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001206095855.00aa0190@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 09:59:13 +0530 To: raju@linux-delhi.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) In-Reply-To: <14893.45357.11233.82122@localhost.localdomain> References: <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <20001205094121.H4137@oyeindia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/45 X-Sequence-Number: 784 At 08:53 AM 12/6/2000 +0530, Raju Mathur wrote: >Ah, so you don't know the origin of the word either :) http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/spam.html Udhay, feeling helpful. -- _____________________________________________________________________ http://www.unimobile.com/ http://pobox.com/~udhay Unimobile - Anywhere, Any Device Messaging From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 01:20:39 2000 Received: from ias.ernet.in (unknown [202.41.122.11]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E828E4A12B for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from prakash@localhost) by ias.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27683; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:24:55 +0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:24:53 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: "N.A. Prakash" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/46 X-Sequence-Number: 785 Raju, I'm a friend, so dont take offence at what I say here. I have enjoyed reading many of your exchanges on various topics here. The reason this goes to the list is because I think it is relevant to this thread. My question is: How come we dont protest when you, Raju, and other leading lights of the LI lists (I repeat, no offence meant, just making a point) quote original messages in full or in large chunks even when unnecessary when you reply to them to the list, but we protest over GT's "spam" and have a considerable discussion on it? Is it because we condone violation of list rules by its leaders but wont tolerate it from others? prakash On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Raju Mathur wrote: > > I tend to align with Fred Noronha, ad defined spam as unsolicited > commercial e-mail which different people would assign different levels > > >>>>> "Mario" == Mario da Costa writes: From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 02:29:00 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AA04A08D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB64Umt06975 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:00:48 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:00:48 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually Message-ID: <20001206100048.L6912@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 03:27:15AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/47 X-Sequence-Number: 786 Frederick Noronha rearranged electrons thusly: > Below is a very interesting news-item. The arguments (and the stand > taken) have implications for all of us who would like to see That is one reason - and another reason is that linux (and free software) doesnt gather the kind of mega-corporate + media attention our old friend Dewang Mehta craves ;) > 1. Piracy "losses" in India exceed Rs 900 crore. > 2. Continuing piracy means higher prices for the consumer > 3. Piracy means less publisher revenue to invest in new products > 4. "Thousands" of jobs are lost since proprietary s/w is not purchased > INDIA'S SOFTWARE PIRACY CAUSES LOSS OF RS 900 CRORE ANNUALLY Where do you think _all_ those "code slaves" India exports learnt their VB / Oracle / SAP / whatever? Go to your friendly neighborhood pirate and get CDs burnt. What is lost by the industry in piracy is gained from all the cheap labor they get in return from users of pirated software -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:23:26 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ADF4A10A for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([202.54.50.36]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22780 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:41:58 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000101c05f53$c9446180$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Subject: Re: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:27:13 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/48 X-Sequence-Number: 787 >UNITED NEWS OF INDIA, New Delhi, Dec 3 (Indian Express, Dec 4) > >TWO IN THREE software programs in India are stolen and the software Thats too optimistic, If we take the ratio of machine sale to software (mostly ms$) sale this could be 9 to10 or even more. >piracy is causing an annual loss of more than Rs 900 crore in the >country. > >These software programs are stolen either through hard-disk loading or >counterfeiting, according to Dewang Mehta, president, National >Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom). > >The results of the fifth annual benchmark survey on global software >piracy showed that piracy losses in India exceeded Rs 900 crore at a >piracy rate of 59 per cent. The sample size could be very small or geographical coverage not proper. > >The survey, conducted by Independent Research for International >Planning and Research Corporation, was commissioned by the Business >Software Alliance (BSA) and the Software and Information Industry >Association (SIIA). > >The continuing piracy problem meant higher prices for consumers, less >publisher revenue to invest in new products and a potential barrier to >success for software start-ups in India. > >"If software piracy continues unabated, the local Indian industry will >be robbed of thousands of jobs, billions in wages, tax revenues and >critical investments in new technologies," Mehta added. > >Mehta said many chief executive officers, information technology >managers and general managers are aware of the civil and criminal >penalties for use of unlicensed software. Yet they continue to fail to >act. > >"Unfortunately, there are also businesses who deliberately install and >use software without appropriate licences. They risk becoming target of >legal action," he said. > >Software piracy refers to the illegal installation, distribution, sale >and use of infringing software. If found liable under the Copyright >Act, offenders risk criminal penalties of upto three years in prison >and fines upto Rs 200,000 for the offence of copyright infringement. Better said than done. I am still to find any one who is put behid the bars for using pirated software. > >Nasscom and BSA would intensify efforts to stop this menace. "We will >continue to assist enforcement authorities to initiate action against >individuals and businesses manufacturing, distributing, selling or >using illegal products as we have done since 1994," Mehta said. > Though nasscom and BSA are doing excellent job, but lack of legal teeth puts their efforts to drain. >They would also continue to educate the public and the business sector >of the effects and dangers of piracy through seminars and press >releases. Among other things, Nasscom and BSA have launched a reward >programme which would give Rs 50,000 to anyone for providing >information leading to successful legal action against companies using >unlicensed software, Mehta said. Now here it self the catch lies, what does it mean "anyone for providing information leading to successful legal action against companies" any one can provide information, but how he can ensure successful legal action? > >Anyone could give this information on a hotline, 1600-334455 > >Their campaign would educate the business sector, the community, the >distribution channel and dealers about the importance of portecting >intellectual property rights, both for the local economy and for the >long-term prosperity of India's dynamic software industry.(ENDS) > The bottom line is that to tackle piracy, 1. People must be educated. 2. Proper constitution should be in place. 3. The law enforcing agency should be trained. The sole reason for slow linux (or other free os) is due to piracy, because for the end user legal software and linux are same as both are free. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:27:36 2000 Received: from web4902.mail.yahoo.com (web4902.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.27]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 114BD49F42 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:39:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001206103922.26333.qmail@web4902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.212.246.112] by web4902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 02:39:22 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Arun M Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/49 X-Sequence-Number: 788 > > > Sorry it may be OFFTOPIC to the Linux group. But > in reality, the word > > Internet itself, is unknown to most of the Indian. > Usually whenever i get > > some free time (mostly in sundays) i will go to > some govt. schools or > other > > colleges and voluntarily take (awareness) seminars > on Internet. During You are right. Any technology which doesnt take care of the major portion of the population it is a waste. > Well also in this 10 % of the educated and > enlightened lot we need to > enlighten people about the freedom linux offer as an > operating system . Linux-india does nothing compared to few people here in Kerala who develops software for govt offices in Cochin. They are not the best technical people but their work reaches more people than Linux-india. (People who are not in the 10% you said). Saravanan, keep going with your good work. Arun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:44:33 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B874649F47 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-174-96.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.174.96]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C46621A; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:06:07 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206110413.00b0e1f0@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:17:48 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, thaths@netscape.com From: Biju Chacko Subject: Guidelines for GT Enterprises (WAS: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com)) Cc: Linux Bangalore In-Reply-To: <3A2D3774.17FB534@netscape.com> References: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E030228FB@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <14891.47485.398796.964343@localhost.localdomain> <3A2C6CDD.6C5B6D83@controlnet.co.in> <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/50 X-Sequence-Number: 789 At 10:44 AM 05/12/00 -0800, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: >I am open to GT enterprises posting their price list monthly to LIG XOR LIH >as long as: > >(a) They post it in plain text format >(b) They prefix the post with thr required COMMERCIAL tag > >List Admin Thaths, I think this is the best way to close this issue. Why don't you send a mail as LI* List Admin to GT Enterprises outlining these rules. I will do the same as BLUG list admin. I hope this will be an acceptable compromise to all. Can we now consider this non-issue closed? Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:46:06 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FAD49F02 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 03:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.75]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:11:43 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: INFO SOUGHT: List of India web sites... Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:04:02 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120617054717.00474@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/51 X-Sequence-Number: 790 Friends, I am currently working on a list of useful Indian websites, which is to be compiled as a www.bytesforall.org initiative in a couple of weeks. If you could send me a listing of your favourite sites, together with a description (in under ten words) of each, I'd be more than thankful. These would possibly be incorporated in the listing. Best wishes, Frederick. -- *********************************************************** frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 *********************************************************** Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 *********************************************************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:47:35 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.86.27]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101954A34C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from amarg@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07511 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:34:23 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:34:23 +0530 From: Amarendra GODBOLE To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually Message-ID: <20001206093423.A7402@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us In-Reply-To: <00120603421003.00467@bytesforall> X-Quote: "If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you." X-Friends: Shailesh, Shantanu, Sameer, Prachi, Dinesh, Sujeet. X-Home: www.crosswinds.net/~amargod X-Organisation: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd., Powai, Mumbai. INDIA. X-Archive-Number: 200012/52 X-Sequence-Number: 791 On Wed, Dec 06, 2000, the greycells of Frederick Noronha expressed: > Below is a very interesting news-item. The arguments (and the stand > taken) have implications for all of us who would like to see > free-shareable Linux grow. How would the others on the list respond to > arguments explicitly stated or implied, such as: > 1. Piracy "losses" in India exceed Rs 900 crore. > 2. Continuing piracy means higher prices for the consumer > 3. Piracy means less publisher revenue to invest in new products > 4. "Thousands" of jobs are lost since proprietary s/w is not purchased Can someone explain to me, how piracy causes losses ? What I understand is that, if you pay for software, say Oracle, those companies get rich, how does it affect us, whether we use official copies, or pirated ones ? Anyway, we pay an Exhorbitant fee for those so called "Official" Propietary Softwares. Can someone enlighten me on this ? Regards, -amar- -- [amar@sahyadri /amar]# \(- bash: (-: command not found From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:47:45 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3801849F42 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 02:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB6AGIm08175 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:46:18 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:46:17 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Message-ID: <20001206154617.B8161@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from prakash@ias.ernet.in on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:24:53PM +0500 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/53 X-Sequence-Number: 792 N.A. Prakash rearranged electrons thusly: > question is: How come we dont protest when you, Raju, and other leading > lights of the LI lists (I repeat, no offence meant, just making a point) > quote original messages in full or in large chunks even when unnecessary Because those posts are ON-TOPIC - linux security announcements are definitely on topic to the list > when you reply to them to the list, but we protest over GT's "spam" and > have a considerable discussion on it? Is it because we condone violation > of list rules by its leaders but wont tolerate it from others? People trying to make a quick buck by bombing the list with ads (whether for linux or whatever) are off-topic - unless the mail is prefixed with the [commercial] tag in the subject, and kept to within reasonable limits. GT did neither (no commercial tag, very frequent posting of ads - and NOTHING ELSE - to the list) > LIG is all for free speech. But it was created > for a purpose. Violations of the rules of > this list will result in stern action. see this disclaimer above? it says what I said - in far fewer words -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 08:49:13 2000 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (unknown [210.212.246.112]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1353149F02 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 01:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from narmada.river-valley.com (root@narmada.river-valley.com [192.168.1.202]) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14079 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:30:14 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:cvr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by narmada.river-valley.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02673 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:22 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:21:22 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan C V To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/54 X-Sequence-Number: 793 On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, N.A. Prakash wrote: [...] : when you reply to them to the list, but we protest over GT's "spam" and : have a considerable discussion on it? Is it because we condone violation : of list rules by its leaders but wont tolerate it from others? Prakash, it is very simple, `some are more equal'. This is particularly true when some subscribers passionately want to end the thread if someone disagrees with them. Though the footline of the posts say that LIG is all for free speech, it seems, it's not applicable to everyone. Prakash, despite your remark, I tend to align with the views of Raju and Fred in the spam discussion. -- Radhakrishnan ------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 208E F5EB A4B4 2024 AEE9 575D 13DE E3B9 0292 70EF GPG Public key : http://www.river-valley.com/gpg/cvr.gpg From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 10:04:26 2000 Received: from mail5.bigmailbox.com (mail5.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.36]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356DB4A0B9 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: œby mail5.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25921; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:35:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:35:09 -0800 Message-Id: <200012061735.JAA25921@mail5.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [203.109.64.29] From: "dodobh@nettaxi.com" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: COMMENT: India's software piracy causes loss of Rs 900 crore annually X-Archive-Number: 200012/55 X-Sequence-Number: 794 Mukund spewed into the ether: >>piracy is causing an annual loss of more than Rs 900 crore in the >>country. Actually, I wonder, if people had to pay the full price for these programs, how many of them would choose to use them? >>The continuing piracy problem meant higher prices for consumers, less >>publisher revenue to invest in new products and a potential barrier to >>success for software start-ups in India. Hmmmmmm, and we know exactly why Microsoft has anti-trust proceedings going against it. >>"If software piracy continues unabated, the local Indian industry will >>be robbed of thousands of jobs, billions in wages, tax revenues and >>critical investments in new technologies," Mehta added. Actually, no. The local industry will be mostly unaffected. >>Mehta said many chief executive officers, information technology >>managers and general managers are aware of the civil and criminal >>penalties for use of unlicensed software. Yet they continue to fail to >>act. Maybe because the penalties are pretty low, and the costs of using legal software is too much? If software was much more realistically priced, it would lead to an increase in its sales. >>"Unfortunately, there are also businesses who deliberately install and >>use software without appropriate licences. They risk becoming target of >>legal action," he said. Do a simple cost benefit analysis, and you will see why they prefer it that way. >>Software piracy refers to the illegal installation, distribution, sale >>and use of infringing software. If found liable under the Copyright >>Act, offenders risk criminal penalties of upto three years in prison >>and fines upto Rs 200,000 for the offence of copyright infringement. This really needs to be tested in a court of law. Will the EULA's stand that you are only licensed to use the software hold up? Because it will lead to DMCA like legislation here too, I guess. >The bottom line is that to tackle piracy, >1. People must be educated. >2. Proper constitution should be in place. >3. The law enforcing agency should be trained. How about some fair pricing. Let the free market play a role. If there is wide spread piracy, wouldn't you say that this is because the goods are priced too high? Let them cut their prices down, and the piracy will decline too. >The sole reason for slow linux (or other free os) is due to piracy, because >for the end user legal software and linux are same as both are free. Errr, no. The end user can choose to use software in violation of its licensing terms, or by following them. what you just referrred to as legal software will be legal if and only if the license of that software has not been violated. If it is distributed freely, then the license is violated, which makes its use illegal. So while Linux is Free (beer[or minimum cost for media] and speech), the other one is merely free as in beer, and using it leaves the threat of legal action always hanging over your head. And in the case of corporations, it is not very easy to manage all the licenses for various pieces of software, this is also a cost for the consumer. Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Name-Brand stores for the holidays using the Nettaxi StoreRunner! http://shop.storerunner.com/nettaxi/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 11:17:19 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB94C4A7D6 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB6I6oS19529 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:36:50 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:36:49 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) Message-ID: <20001206233649.A19523@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cvr@river-valley.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 03:21:22PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/56 X-Sequence-Number: 795 Radhakrishnan C V rearranged electrons thusly: > Prakash, it is very simple, `some are more equal'. This is particularly > true when some subscribers passionately want to end the thread if > someone disagrees with them. Though the footline of the posts say that > LIG is all for free speech, it seems, it's not applicable to everyone. I dont know _how_ or _why_ you got that opinion. Could you please clarify? -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 11:18:18 2000 Received: from www.aunet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27DB24A795 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-147.101.pilot.net (unknown-147-101.pilot.net [198.232.147.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E794A00D for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-24-15.pilot.net (unknown-24-15.pilot.net [206.189.24.15]) by unknown-147.101.pilot.net with ESMTP id TAA12192 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:06:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-24-15.pilot.net with ESMTP id TAA11290 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:41 +0530 Message-ID: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E0308B5A6@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom. com) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:40:49 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/57 X-Sequence-Number: 796 Dear Listadmin ~I am open to GT enterprises posting their price list monthly ~to LIG XOR LIH There are many people who subscribe to only LIH or only LIG. So maybe yu could make that LIH || LIP || LIG. However, I agree that would cause inconvenience to people who subcribe to moe than one of these lists. Shourya _______________________________________________ Shourya Sarcar || Global Software Platforms gemedicalsystems.com || ge.com || elfun.org 5263121 xt 362 || shourya@shourya.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 6 18:34:23 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F78E49F4D; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ganwaar.com by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id IAA0000032466; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:01:21 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by ganwaar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04638; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:04:00 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14894.63256.927182.301299@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:04:00 +0530 (IST) To: linux-delhi@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: (fwd) (SRADV00007) Local root compromise through Lexmark MarkVision printer drivers X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/58 X-Sequence-Number: 797 [Please upgrade if you use the Lexmark printer drivers on any distribution -- Raju] This is an RFC 1153 digest. (1 message) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Approved-By: aleph1@SECURITYFOCUS.COM Delivered-To: bugtraq@lists.securityfocus.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <005801c05f85$d2066f20$1400a8c0@homenet> Reply-To: Secure Reality Advisories From: Secure Reality Advisories Sender: Bugtraq List To: BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: (SRADV00007) Local root compromise through Lexmark MarkVision printer drivers Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:09:52 +1100 ================================================= Secure Reality Pty Ltd. Security Advisory #7 (SRADV00007) http://www.securereality.com.au ================================================= [Title] Local root compromise through Lexmark MarkVision printer drivers [Released] 6/11/2000 [Vulnerable] Versions below 4.4 (Specifically the MarkVision drivers package for Unix. Other Lexmark drivers, e.g Windows drivers, are not part of MarkVision) [Overview] MarkVision is a printer administration package from Lexmark. In addition to software to remotely administer printers it also provides printer drivers for a wide variety of printers for various flavours of Unix. Several of the utilities that make up the Unix printer drivers contain command line buffer overflows. As some of these utilities are installed setuid root, a local attacker can trivially exploit the vulnerabilities to execute arbitrary code as root. [Impact] Local root compromise [Detail] We successfully exploited command line overflows against the following setuid root programs: - /usr/local/lexmark/markvision/bin/cat_network - Heap oveflow - /usr/local/lexmark/markvision/bin/cat_parallel - Stack overflow - /usr/local/lexmark/markvision/bin/cat_serial - Stack overflow We tested our exploits on the Linux version of the drivers under Redhat 6.2. Obviously the stack overflows at least should be exploitable on all the other platforms the drivers are available for, the heap overflow may not be, we have not tested either case. [Fix] Please upgrade to the latest version of the MarkVision drivers (4.4) at ftp://ftp.lexmark.com/pub/driver/unix/MarkVision/V4.4 [Acknowledgements] While Lexmark did provide a fix for the problem after we disclosed it to them, they weren't particularly cooperative or speedy in doing so [Disclaimer] Advice, directions and instructions on security vulnerabilities in this advisory do not constitute: an endorsement of illegal behavior; a guarantee that protection measures will work; an endorsement of any product or solution or recommendations on behalf of Secure Reality Pty Ltd. Content is provided as is and Secure Reality Pty Ltd does not accept responsibility for any damage or injury caused as a result of its use. ------------------------------ End of this Digest ****************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 07:32:26 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C04A11E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04327; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:07 +0530 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:26:07 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: banglinux & IT.COM is not needed for India In-Reply-To: <14895.11025.990239.386020@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/59 X-Sequence-Number: 798 On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > However, there are three categories of people here that I can think > of. (1) The knowledgeable (who know of free software) and who have > all the means to use that knowledge, (2) those who have all of the > basic amenities of life, who are educated and interested in computers > but who are ignorant of free software and (3) those who dont have the > basic amenities. I think MKS's original post was targeted to the > second of the three categories. The first kind already knows of free > software and the third category is beyond the scope of free software. > Only the middle remains. The question is, does the second category > have access to computers? If so what kind. Who are responsible for > these comps. Once these are answered I think one can deal with the > problem intelligently. No flame war pl. My original intention is not even teaching free software. Instead, teaching Basics of Computer, Internet, etc.., [Of course, you may say it is not ILUG job. But partly ILUG can involve in these kind of activities - It's only my *humble* request not order]. All the problems we can't solve. But why don't we contribute what we can ? [teaching]. If some strong organisation like ILUG support, we can get sponsor from mega companies (who are sponsoring Banglinux/IT.COM etc..,) to setup small lab (say atleast 5 assembled systems) in selected schools/or even one school to start with? In all IITs and IISc, INTEL has sponsored several labs. But for the poor schools who will sponsor without proper background support? All that is needed is some background support to the poor schools. In the worst case, each ILUG can support atleast one school in their/nearby district. that way we can create atleast a dozen of resource centres across the country. Most of the poor school management are really interested in such acvities. Whenever somebody has some freetime (I am sure everybody will have atleast a couple of hours a month) they can goto resource centres and take seminars. Say on an average of 25 members in a ILUG chapter, contributing 2 hrs. a month will comes around 50 hrs. per month is quite good. Again it is purely a voluntary effort. *NO COMPULSION* -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 07:34:58 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149984A0F9 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-22.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.22]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187F661E3; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:12:30 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001207111041.00afd290@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:23:59 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: References: <14892.64244.911194.723939@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/60 X-Sequence-Number: 799 At 01:24 PM 06/12/00 +0500, N.A. Prakash wrote: >Raju, I'm a friend, so dont take offence at what I say here. I have >enjoyed reading many of your exchanges on various topics here. The reason >this goes to the list is because I think it is relevant to this thread. My >question is: How come we dont protest when you, Raju, and other leading >lights of the LI lists (I repeat, no offence meant, just making a point) >quote original messages in full or in large chunks even when unnecessary >when you reply to them to the list, but we protest over GT's "spam" and >have a considerable discussion on it? Is it because we condone violation >of list rules by its leaders but wont tolerate it from others? Nobody is asking you to tolerate it. If you feel Raju is breaking the rules of the list, then please do tell him. I know Raju well enough to say that he wouldn't take any offense. That said, I'd also have to say I haven't noticed any objectionable mail from Raju. If you are referring to Raju's security advisories -- I'd say they were on-topic, informative and that nobody has complained, yet. If you really think they qualify as spam, pls do take it up with Raju or the List Admin. Secondly, what is this "leaders" business? AFAIK Thaths is the only person with a title on this list -- List Admin. I don't think we have any other positions. I don't think there is anybody with any special priviledges aside from Thaths. Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 07:36:03 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CF44A0DA for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-7.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.7]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298E61BE; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:57:43 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001207105544.00b133e0@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:09:28 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/61 X-Sequence-Number: 800 At 03:21 PM 06/12/00 +0530, Radhakrishnan C V wrote: >Prakash, it is very simple, `some are more equal'. This is particularly >true when some subscribers passionately want to end the thread if >someone disagrees with them. Though the footline of the posts say that >LIG is all for free speech, it seems, it's not applicable to everyone. I take this as a snide pointer towards my "Shall we agree to disagree" remark. I'm not sure what you are implying here. I don't feel that it is my responsibility to ensure that everybody agrees with me. Both sides stated their positions and were unwilling to change their stances. IMO, further discussion was pointless and was likely to disturb the friendly relationship I have with Fred. I would really hate to say something nasty (in the heat of the moment, of course) to a nice guy like Fred Noronha. I should think that the very fact that you were able to make an unpleasant remark like that and get a civil reply from me would be a sufficient indication of the freedom of this list. regards, Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 08:09:22 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EA54A0C2 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-91.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.91]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18302 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:54:21 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000301c0600d$e9725740$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: "Linux India General List" Subject: mail from LLC Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:52:16 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/62 X-Sequence-Number: 801 I am still getting mail from linux learning center, here is a sample. "Return-Path: Delivered-To: betacomp@bom3.vsnl.net.in Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by bom3.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F42036CC for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:49:33 +0530 (IST) Received: from linuxlearningcentre.com (PPP-179-143.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.179.143]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEAA61CF; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:42:33 +0530 (IST) Received: from linuxlearningcentre.com (IDENT:courses@linuxlearningcentre.com [192.168.0.1]) by linuxlearningcentre.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16597; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:19:19 +0530 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:19:19 +0530 (IST) From: Linux Learning Centre " What do i do suresh? Regards, Mukund Deshmukh Beta Computronics Pvt. Ltd. Web Site - www.betacomp.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 10:06:03 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100D949F44 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-89-7.bng.vsnl.net.in [202.54.89.7]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E30160FE for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:21:58 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@cheetah X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:32:50 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: What do CPU-specific packages imply? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/63 X-Sequence-Number: 802 Hi, As you know, some distros like Mandrake advertise Pentium specific packages as a feature. What does this imply? I assume at the very least this means that the binaries include more efficient instructions that are available only in the Pentium instruction set. Is there any more to it? Is there any *real* performance improvement when using i586 packages? Can anybody shed any light on this? Arun? Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 7 12:40:33 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BCC49F41 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eB7IwXs19760 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G57PBC01.5GI for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:11:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3A2FE0E8.4D20AF75@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:11:36 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/64 X-Sequence-Number: 803 "N.A. Prakash" proclaimed: > How come we dont protest when you, Raju, and other leading > lights of the LI lists (I repeat, no offence meant, just making a point) > quote original messages in full or in large chunks even when unnecessary > when you reply to them to the list, but we protest over GT's "spam" and > have a considerable discussion on it? FYI, the List Rules and Guidelines (somewhere under http://lists.linux-india.org/) were largely written by Raju. As for breaking of the posted rules by the "leading lights of LI lists", please furnish some examples. I am not saying that they have not happened. Just that everyone, at some point or the other, has erred. > Is it because we condone violation > of list rules by its leaders but wont tolerate it from others? Please furnish examples. Thaths -- "This is a very, very proud day for us! Especially me, your father, me, beat City Hall! It's just like David and Goliath, only this time, David won!" -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 8 03:22:52 2000 Received: from unknown-230-101.pilot.net (unknown-230-101.pilot.net [206.98.230.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641824A00E; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-239-164.pilot.net (unknown-239-164.pilot.net [206.189.239.164]) by unknown-230-101.pilot.net with ESMTP id GAA04749; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-164.pilot.net with ESMTP id GAA06786; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:53:45 +0530 Message-ID: <1196B5CB33DED311A73700508B6FEB1E0318F0E0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: LIP , LIG Subject: if your editor is joe.. Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:53:52 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/65 X-Sequence-Number: 804 joe happens to be my fave texteditor on Linux. You can flame me, will be streamed to bit-bucket :-) _______________________________________________ Shourya Sarcar || Global Software Platforms gemedicalsystems.com || ge.com || elfun.org 5263121 xt 362 || shourya@shourya.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 8 11:11:14 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9A4A00E for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26972 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:34:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:34:39 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: What do CPU-specific packages imply? Message-ID: <20001208093439.A26947@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah>; from biju_chacko@yahoo.com on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:32:50PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/66 X-Sequence-Number: 805 On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:32:50PM +0530, Biju Chacko wrote: > Hi, > > As you know, some distros like Mandrake advertise Pentium specific packages > as a feature. What does this imply? I assume at the very least this means > that the binaries include more efficient instructions that are available > only in the Pentium instruction set. Is there any more to it? There is not much else. Basically, they compiled the same packages with CPU specific flags to gcc. > Is there any *real* performance improvement when using i586 packages? > Can anybody shed any light on this? Arun? It depends on the kind of application. If you're running a scientific application, with all the time spent in some tight inner loop, yeah you'll see significant improvements. For apps like a browser or a desktop, I'd be surprised if the improvement was > 10% -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 8 19:25:47 2000 Received: from www.aunet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3A124A00C for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0882049F37 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 08:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eB7GS3U27791 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:58:03 +0530 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:58:03 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: mail from LLC Message-ID: <20001207215803.A27756@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000301c0600d$e9725740$f201a8c0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000301c0600d$e9725740$f201a8c0@default>; from betacomp@nagpur.dot.net.in on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 10:52:16AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/67 X-Sequence-Number: 806 Mukund rearranged electrons thusly: > I am still getting mail from linux learning center, here is a sample. as you have already figured out how to get full headers .... send complaints (with full headers, full body of the spam, and previous spams and/or complaints, unsubscribe requests) to: abuse@rackspace.com (which hosts linuxlearningcentre.com) and vsnl bangalore (from where the spam originated) - helpdesk@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in should do I suppose .... The vsnl dialup is unimportant - go for the spammers throat and get his website cut off. That should solve the problem. Mr.Ramesh was with Mr.Taranath when they both assured me that they'd modify their mailing list management to comply with the principles mentioned in http://www.mail-abuse.org/rbl/manage.html If rackspace does not terminate this site, and if they continue spamming (not just removing you from their list, but stop sending unsolicited commercial email), you have the gist of a very good rbl nomination. > Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) > by bom3.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F42036CC > for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:49:33 +0530 (IST) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 8 23:31:12 2000 Received: from ias.ernet.in (unknown [202.41.122.11]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565304A035 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from prakash@localhost) by ias.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05216; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:45:45 +0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:45:44 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: "N.A. Prakash" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [ot - sort of] spammer bites the dust (goodbye gtcdrom.com) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001207111041.00afd290@cheetah> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/68 X-Sequence-Number: 807 On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Biju Chacko wrote: > > Nobody is asking you to tolerate it. If you feel Raju is breaking the rules ... > noticed any objectionable mail from Raju. If you are referring to Raju's > security advisories -- I'd say they were on-topic, informative and that ... > Secondly, what is this "leaders" business? AFAIK Thaths is the only person > with a title on this list -- List Admin. I don't think we have any other I think my message was misunderstood. I wasnt complaining about having to 'tolerate' anything. I was merely curious that we the LI community have never pointed out that Raju has usually quoted (original mail) profusely or fully when he has posted messages. I wasnt talking about any particular messages from Raju, like the security advisories. I even said I enjoyed Raju's messages. I think Arun Sharma has sometimes quoted large chunks. But, again, I wasnt complaining about these. (There you have two 'leaders' of the LI lists. There are others as well, including Thaths. By leader I simply meant a person with more than the list-average knowledge and participation in these lists. Why read more 'meaning' into that?) So, I guess I found some interesting behaviour here. Nothing terribly important anyway. I replied just to clarify. prakash From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 9 03:37:34 2000 Received: from bom5.vsnl.net.in (bom5.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.68]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A0149EFD for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from freeos.com (unknown [203.197.58.16]) by bom5.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23136EEE2 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:08:12 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3A3267F4.6948DC63@freeos.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 17:12:20 +0000 From: Prakash Advani Organization: FreeOS.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: What do CPU-specific packages imply? References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/69 X-Sequence-Number: 808 The Kernel is what is most important since applications normally talk to the Kernel. In this case the Kernel would have been precomiled for the Pentium processor. Bottomline is that you can get this with any other distro but mandrake make it easier for people who don't want to compile/install a new kernel. Regards Prakash Biju Chacko wrote: > > Hi, > > As you know, some distros like Mandrake advertise Pentium specific packages > as a feature. What does this imply? I assume at the very least this means > that the binaries include more efficient instructions that are available > only in the Pentium instruction set. Is there any more to it? Is there any > *real* performance improvement when using i586 packages? > > Can anybody shed any light on this? Arun? > > Biju > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ -- Prakash Advani Chief Executive Officer FreeOS.com US Voice/Fax: +1 (781) 623-8454 ICQ: 26993347 India Tel: (91-22) 4988645/4953441 Fax: 4935133 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 9 11:36:07 2000 Received: from nick.nikhilwiz.net (unknown [202.152.131.244]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674104A033 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nikhil@localhost) by nick.nikhilwiz.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eB9Jn2b01189 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:19:02 +0530 (IST) (envelope-from nikhilwiz@yahoo.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nick.nikhilwiz.net: nikhil set sender to nikhilwiz@yahoo.com using -f Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:19:02 +0530 From: Nick Hill To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: What do CPU-specific packages imply? Message-ID: <20001210011902.B1040@nick.nikhilwiz.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah> <20001208093439.A26947@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20001208093439.A26947@sharmas.dhs.org>; from arun@sharmas.dhs.org on Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:34:39AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD nick.nikhilwiz.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-Archive-Number: 200012/70 X-Sequence-Number: 809 On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:34:39AM -0800, Arun Sharma wrote: > For apps like a browser or a desktop, I'd be surprised if the improvement > was > 10% > plain ol' desktop user here. the pentium specific optimizations in 2.4 do give a faster kernel than one just with i386 stuff... And as for the apps, katmai and mmx does make a _huge_ difference in Mesa, and other gfx apps... i haven't seen 3dnow in play, but i guess it'll be on the same lines too... -mpentiumpro did make life easier for one of my proggies, yes. Nikhil. > -Arun > > > ---------------------------------------------- > An alpha version of a web based tool to manage > your subscription with this mailing list is at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 9 11:43:30 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBFF4A041 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.181]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:08:44 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: LINKS OF INTEREST: African team with communitarian NTIC experiences Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 23:11:57 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: move@cooperation.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00120923141505.00474@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/71 X-Sequence-Number: 810 Thanks to Theo Bondolfi for this information. Permit me to circulate it through the India Linux network, for those who might be interested in the same. Nice to be in touch with friends working in Africa! -FN ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: African team with communitarian NTIC experiences Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:21:14 +0100 From: "Theo Bondolfi" To Fred Noronha Hello it is now 4 month that our www.afrilinux.org team and www.ynternet.org team, is following with attention your regular "bytesforall.org " newsletters. we wish to congratulate you again for the job you are doing. we have now 2 simple "communitarian" free-software Solution: 1. The dynamit solution, for 5-25 PC connected with a server in a community center. this solution is still in developement, and we intend to work with some big distribution such as SUse or Redhat or Madrake for it's packaging and self-deployment It's interres is mostly in the connectity elements : such centers only requires a simple dial-up connexion 3x a day for 15 minutes for transferring all emails (smtp/pop) and so users can check mail offline :-) moreover, it uses recycled PC, with diskless x-windows protocol Dynamit is now available for Internet community Centers that would need a software solution : we can try to satisfy their needs, and also planify some travel to their place by some Dynamit experts if they can assume the travel charges. 2. the "webmail dynamiC solution for communities". It consist in the assembling of about 13 modules of freesoftware for providing the appropriate tools needed into any "development community"for : sharing of knowledge interaction for causes targetted communication all these with user-frinedly interface For these web/mail tools, we use Freesoftwares such as "mailman" for mailing lists, "IMP" for webcourrier, www.dacode.org for freshnews, php-HOO for URL directory. You can see the result in the new beta version of our web-portail www.cooperation.ch, temproarily available at http://rio.cooperation.ch/dacode . We are searching for developpers in order to take part in intergation of these modules in English Language (we only have web/mail tools in French), for example for the CFF network. We have a team of participants in Europe wishing to work in it's technological develpmenet with English spokers.Do you have addresses where we could have contacts ? do you understand French ? thanks in advance for your kind attention. Our contacts in India are Archana Dwivedi and Paromita Goswani, both members of http://cff.ynternet.org (a young social entrepreneur's Network supported by www.ynternet.org ). Théo Bondolfi - Directeur www.ynternet.org Internet pour les jeunes- Formation - Information - cyberkiosk Portail/annuaire pour la coopération et le développement des jeunes sur www.cooperation.ch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- email move@ynternet.org - place du Tunnel 18 - 1005 Lausanne CH phone + 41 21 311 30 47 - portable + 41 76 3769776 - Fax + 41 21 311 33 09 ------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 9 18:24:45 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C663049F47 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29311 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:22:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:22:49 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: What do CPU-specific packages imply? Message-ID: <20001209182249.A29301@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001206172456.00afde10@cheetah> <3A3267F4.6948DC63@freeos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3A3267F4.6948DC63@freeos.com>; from prakash@freeos.com on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:12:20PM +0000 X-Archive-Number: 200012/72 X-Sequence-Number: 811 On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:12:20PM +0000, Prakash Advani wrote: > The Kernel is what is most important since applications normally talk to > the Kernel. In this case the Kernel would have been precomiled for the > Pentium processor. Classic performance issue :) The app will benefit only if it is spending a lot of time in the kernel. Most of the time, kernel optimizations are cool, but they don't necessarily buy the end user anything. If you want to make mozilla run faster by optimizing the kernel... -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 14:05:36 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC0D4A012 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.175]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:31:00 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: LONG POSTING: BusinessWorldIndia.com on Linux in India... Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:56:39 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121101042207.02075@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/73 X-Sequence-Number: 812 Normally such a long posting may not be appreciated on the LIG list. But kindly permit me to send in the same, in view of the relevance to our the theme this group is working on....See the latest issue of BusinessWorld (Dec 10) for a couple of boxed-items accompanying this article.Frederick. PS: The rather-embarassing references to me in the article credit me for far more than I'm responsible for. Much of my campaigning has been keyboard-based. Others have done the donkey work. Also, I am not a 'part-time' journalist, but rather a freelance one. There's a painful difference between the two... with the latter taking me 13-16 hours of work daily to earn a living exclusively from writing! Maybe I could arrogantly claim to be two full-time journalists...! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: BusinessWorldIndia.com Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 23:07:26 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha HAS LINUX WHAT IT TAKES? Charles Assisi It comes down to textbook economics. To become a real IT nation, India needs a larger domestic market and a bigger resource pool. That requires low-cost access to computers across the country. In primary schools where the young first learn the basics; in colleges where minds are moulded; and in the hinterlands where information comes at a premium. Cost is the key here: high prices are one of the main reasons why computer penetration in India is among the lowest in the world. The obvious solution is to make computer access affordable. But isn't taking hardware and software to the masses mean considerable investment? Not everybody thinks so. Not anymore. Take the case of Mexico. Government officials there are half-way through installing 140,000 computers that run on Linux -- a free operating system (OS) -- in primary schools across the country. They reckon that with 20 users per machine, the project, when fully implemented by end-2003, will educate 28 million children on how to use the Internet and access the latest educational tools. These children hold out the promise of making Mexico a computing superpower. The project, funded by the government and supported by the UNDP, is being put into place on the back of old hardware 'incapable' of meeting the demands 'new' software imposes. Incidentally, the Mexican government saves over $700 million on software costs alone. The most conservative estimates put savings on hardware at $150 million. The reason why the Mexican government supports Linux is easy to pinpoint. In practice, 486s with just 740 MB of hard disk space and 32 MB of RAM can support Linux and meet the requirements of most home users. If that doesn't quite excite users brought up on 'powerful' machines, consider the New Internet Computer (NIC) being promoted in South Africa. Larry Ellison, the chief of Oracle, was reportedly delighted with the machine and called it the machine of the future. Designed to run on Linux, it uses a 266 MHz microprocessor, has 64 MB of memory, a 56K in-built modem, a network card, 24x CD-ROM and a Super VGA screen. Bung in two USB ports for external devices and it is every inch a power configuration. But what makes the deal really attractive is that the machine retails in the international markets at Rs 9,200 ($200) and comes loaded with free desktop applications which otherwise cost a bundle. For Ajay Shah, professor of economics at the Indira Gandhi Institute for Developmental Research (IGIDR), only the numbers count. "That kind of economics," says Shah, "is the single most powerful argument in favour of Linux. Damn everything else." His case is simple. In India, an entry-level programmer earns $100 a month. Chances are, the only access he has to a computer is at his workplace. Owning a decent PC can cost at least Rs 35,000 ($750). But it comes with just skeletal software. An office suite, for instance, is not included. The choice is to either pay in excess of Rs 15,000 for a licensed version or Rs 300 for a pirated copy. The latter is an uncomfortable option. But at less than Rs 10,000 for a fully loaded machine that runs on Linux, the potential it holds to attract millions of buyers is huge. The flaw in current thinking, points out Shah, is the focus on the 200 million existing computers, 80% of which run on Microsoft's OS. Instead, it ought to be on selling the next billion. When it comes to that, the $0 price-tag Linux carries is a critical product feature. What Shah's saying is that, in India, these are viable solutions. Computing can actually be taken to the masses for less than what it costs to buy a colour TV. What makes the situation so terribly piquant is the fact that implementing these solutions has remained a mission confined to a small band of people, fighting a system that chooses to look the other way, even when economic realities seem to point elsewhere. Ask Frederick Noronha. Based in Goa, the part-time journalist is an evangelist for open source software like Linux. He figured the Mexican experiment could be emulated in India if he could get second-hand computers of the 386/486 generation. They could well be loaded with Linux and distributed to schools which didn't have the resources to afford computers. His thinking spurred a number of Goan NRIs to come together. They managed the machines and put them on a container to India. Unfortunately for Noronha and the schools these machines were meant for, the computers still lie in the customs godowns because duties can't be paid. At institutes where an outdated machine is a luxury, the idea of paying import duties is not practical. The wranglings continue, but the reasoning behind the project was economically sound. Second-hand machines can be had from generous corporates and philanthropists anywhere in the world. It is the operating system -- Windows which runs 80% of these machines -- that is a problem. Simply because for Microsoft the idea of giving things away for free is unacceptable. The company insists that new users of second-hand machines pay for a fresh licence. Given these realities, the choice for people like Noronha is stark. But even as this choice is being made across the world today, some questions need to be answered. Linux made its debut in 1991 on a single desktop -- that of its creator, Linus Torvalds. Its success at the enterprise-level has been well documented, but what about its efficacy at the desktop? Given the stubborn resistance Linux developers have displayed in the past towards a 'dumbing down' of the OS, the concerns are valid. Recent developments show that they have been addressed. Take a classroom environment where word processors are required. One of the options available today is LyX, a software that can be used to create text documents. Then there is Corel WordPerfect 8, which offers pretty much the same features that Word offers. Corel allows files to be saved in a format that can be read across platforms, including Windows. As for spreadsheet applications, Microsoft Excel files can be imported into Gnumeric, a part of the Gnome Desktop environment that comes bundled with Red Hat, one of the more popular Linux distributions. Star Office, an office suite developed by Sun, in spite of its perceived shortcomings, is also a viable alternative. More importantly, a user has a choice of 14-odd graphical user interfaces (GUI) for the desktop environment. Two of them, Gnome and KDE, are very similar to the Windows interface and equally easy to use. Linux is already the OS of choice at an advanced level. Open source science software ranges from neural networks for artificial intelligence, to solving n-body problems for physics, DNA simulations and chemical compound visualisations for chemistry and biology. Virtually all of India's premier educational institutes made the migration to Linux a couple of years ago. This includes the IITs, the IIMs, the Indian Institute of Science (IISc), the University of Pune, the National Chemical Laboratories (NCL), BARC and the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research. Ironically, most engineering colleges -- without access to the kind of resources the premier institutes have -- still work on expensive software that runs on the Windows platform. Limitations, however, exist. Nagarjuna G., a science educationist at the Homi Bhabha Centre and president of the Linux Users Group (Mumbai), points out that there are a number of older generation multimedia applications that cannot run on Linux. While audio files can be dealt with easily, it is still difficult to play a Video CD on the platform. So, a Sesame Street which children love so much goes out of the window. In the same breath it ought to be mentioned that Linux supports multimedia CDs that are Java-enabled. More than that, similar multimedia applications are supported on Internet browsers where the power of Linux is unparalleled. And, given the fact that the Internet is a source for rich content, such issues are being buried. And it is not just schools that stand to gain from Linux. A point the Linux Users Groups are trying to prove in Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram. The need for low-cost computing solutions propelled these groups into lobbying actively with the Kerala government to set up computer nodes at the panchayat level. The idea being to use the Net and establish a communication channel between the people and the government. Pretty much what N. Chandrababu Naidu is working at in Andhra Pradesh. The difference lies in the economics of cheap hardware and free software. While Kerala's efforts have met with a fair degree of success and information trickling in indicates some acceptance on part of the government, a lot of ground still remains to be covered. It could be the first Indian state to adopt Linux at all levels. In another recent initiative, Chandigarh announced plans last month to launch a pilot project in 12 villages, again, with Linux. Here too, the primary driver has been economics. The economic rationale aside, there is another potent argument in favour of open source Linux. It allows localisation. The Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and Russians have used it to great effect. In India, a bunch of Tamil programmers has built regional language tools, so much so that KDE supports the language. The Centre for Computer Aided Translation in Hyderabad, headed by Professor Syngal, is even now working on a government-funded project to increase localisation. Its applications will be supported across platforms. Check out the work being done by Mumbai-based FreeOS.com. Says CEO Prakash Advani: "With a 5% English- speaking population in this country, it would be foolish not to work on local languages." Very recently, the company received funding from Boston Computers and has set up offices in the US where, Advani says, the degree of awareness is higher. FreeOS.com deploys solutions and provides support for Linux-based applications. By the time the company is through with its project on Indian languages, it will be possible to write programs and create applications and interfaces in all major Indian languages. Sure, Microsoft offers local language support too. But that comes at a price and it doesn't work across systems, unlike open source. Yet, all this may not be enough. Illiteracy is rampant. Assuming for a moment that computers are ubiquitous, how do you drive the masses to take to computing? Colour TV got a shot in the arm when the Asiad was hosted in 1982. Cable permeated the collective consciousness of the country when Iraq attacked Kuwait and a nation rushed to wire up their homes and watch the war on CNN. "Baby pictures," says Shah, "is a way out. Show the women that their daughters can send them pictures of their grandchildren from wherever they are on community machines. That is a bigger killer app than email!" Shah says he doesn't mean to be facetious. People can be shown that IT can be used for real... that it can impact their lives. Provided there is cheap infrastructure available. But showing people how to send baby pictures and maintaining machines that support such requirements needs trained personnel. Though it is not difficult to use, right now there aren't too many people who understand how an OS like Linux works. It is a very real hurdle and one that Linux advocates acknowledge. Success, in getting around it, has been limited -- largely because the Linux movement in India has been a non-commercial one. Over the last couple of months, however, major Linux distributors -- Red Hat and SuSe -- have established their India offices. Red Hat's entry into the country was followed by a tie-up with NIIT to produce Red Hat-certified Linux engineers. SuSe is expected to follow suit and make similar arrangements with a software training school. Prakash Shetty, vice-president, SuSe (India), admits there certainly is a problem with the number of trained people. At the same time, tie-ups of the kind Red Hat has entered into are expected to generate interest and churn out graduates with knowledge of the OS. According to Sunita Thomas, CTO at Infotech Financials, a Mumbai-based company which deploys Linux solutions, most engineers in her team came from a Microsoft background. Adapting to Linux and providing solutions have been a non-issue at the organisation because the migration is simple. Linux has the power of numbers and recent history on its side. From a single desktop in 1991, it reached a stage where 16 million people were tinkering with it by end-1998. Which means the OS occupied 2.5% of all desktops in the world. The user base had doubled exponentially three times each year, for eight years. Linux now commands between 6% and 7% of the desktop market and remains one doubling away from breaching the 10% mark. And 10%, most analysts will agree, is when it becomes viable for third-party software developers to jump on to the bandwagon. At those levels, the market is far too attractive. The fact that the OS comes for free is a compelling driver even now. Waiting for the market to take its course could mean delay. Which is why the government has to step in -- because there is a danger in not trying hard enough. India's stated objective of IT for the masses would then remain a pipedream: its programmers consigned to writing millions of lines in code to create modules that fit software designs conceptualised in Silicon Valley. Look at it from another perspective. There is this search engine -- Google. Over the last one year, it has emerged as the engine of choice for Net users. Not because it was built on the back of rocket science. But because two students at Stanford University cooked up a set of powerful algorithms with the power to search for content intelligently. It is the kind of algorithm that could have been written anywhere in the world. That it wasn't, is testimony to a unique mindset which exists only in pockets. The real task is to build that mindset in this country. That is where Linux holds out a promise. And a challenge. Any takers? ------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 14:05:39 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DE14A01C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.175]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:31:04 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: [LINKS] PCQuest... and Linux Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:04:24 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: edit@pcquest.com, ilug-goa@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121101322608.02075@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/74 X-Sequence-Number: 813 Sorry for the belated posting of some highlights that I spotted in the Nov 2000 issue of PCQuest, related to Linux: * SOFTWARE CONTAINED includes Kicq, GNOme, ICU, igLooFTP, and CSEMail. There's also netatalk, omniORB and rarlnx... * CSCMail is a full featured e-mail client written entirely in Perl. Its author says: I was tired of the lack of a good e-mail client for Linux. There are a wide variety of e-mail clients available, but none support all of the features that a person like myself requires." * This software supports multiple POP-3 e-mail boxes, encryption, configurable filters, auto-set reply addresses based on account used to DL message, multipart-MIME attachments, HTML messages, drag-n-drop message sorting, multiple message selection, multiple folders, multi-threaded operation (allow the transfer of messages while still browsing the current message store). * Though far from complete, it claims to stand "head and shoulders above any other e-mail application for Linux" Details: countzero@cyberdeck.org * There's a debate over how much Linux is required in PCQ. YK Goyal says "including Linux and Mac software on your CDs doesn't leave enough space for games and other software that most people wait for". Krishna Srinivasan meanwhile asks PCQ "Don't you think the Indian Linux audience has matured and now deserves a magazine dedicated to Linux? At least a bi-monthly?" Ravi Shankar writes: "I installed your Linux CD (June 2000) and, have since, fallen in love with the penguin.... I appreciate your efforts in bringing this revolution to India and request you have a Linux section every month." * PCQuest REPLIES: "...We do have a regular Linux section every month. Right now we are actively evaluating whether it's time to launch a magazine dedicated to Linux. And, yes, bi-monthly is one of the options we are considering. Watch out for an announcement soon." * WANT TO HAVE your say? Contact edit@pcquest.com * VIRAL PATEL asks where he can buy a SuSe Linux 7 Professional Edition in Mumbai.... * OTHER PROGRAMS IN the magazine's CD include IGLOOFTP PRO (a program that makes full use of the GTK+ library and offers many features not included with other graphical clients available on Unix-based systems, like FXP transfers, extensive firewall support, drag-n-drop, URL clipboard monitoring, and remote directory caching). GNomeICU (This program is written specifically for GNOME, but can be run elsewhere and without the panel applet if you have gnome-libs installed. It contains a new authorization request dialog, quote button in the send message dialog, mass0send ability, and better translations.) omniORB (A robust, high-performance, multi-threaded Corba2ORB, developed by AT&T Labs, Cambridge. It's freely available under the GNU public license. * Thanks PCQ. Looking forward to more from you... -- *********************************************************** frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 *********************************************************** Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 *********************************************************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 20:35:39 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446364A16C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBB4VJ805230 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:01:19 +0530 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:01:19 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: LONG POSTING: BusinessWorldIndia.com on Linux in India... Message-ID: <20001211100119.F5139@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <00121101042207.02075@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00121101042207.02075@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 12:56:39AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/75 X-Sequence-Number: 814 Frederick Noronha rearranged electrons thusly: > Normally such a long posting may not be appreciated on the LIG list. > But kindly permit me to send in the same, in view of the relevance to > our the theme this group is working on....See the latest issue of > BusinessWorld (Dec 10) for a couple of boxed-items accompanying this congratulations, Fred - you've done something excellent for linux this time ;) -suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 21:13:56 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807DD49F61 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.home.retortsoft.com (jediland.home.retortsoft.com [192.168.111.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23514 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:48:57 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.home.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31574 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:39:50 +0530 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:39:50 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LINKS] PCQuest... and Linux Message-ID: <20001211103950.A31478@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <00121101322608.02075@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <00121101322608.02075@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 01:04:24AM +0530 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/76 X-Sequence-Number: 815 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frederick Noronha forced the electrons to say: > * CSCMail is a full featured e-mail client written entirely in Perl. > Its author says: I was tired of the lack of a good e-mail client for > Linux. There are a wide variety of e-mail clients available, but > none support all of the features that a person like myself requires." Evidently the author hasn't come across Mutt. > * This software supports multiple POP-3 e-mail boxes, encryption, > configurable filters, auto-set reply addresses based on account > used to DL message, multipart-MIME attachments, HTML > messages, drag-n-drop message sorting, multiple message > selection, multiple folders, multi-threaded operation (allow > the transfer of messages while still browsing the current message > store). > * Though far from complete, it claims to stand "head and shoulders > above any other e-mail application for Linux" > Details: countzero@cyberdeck.org Well, I understand every software author has a sort of mother duck feeling towards his work, but this is stretching it a bit too far. Every feature mentioned above is supported Mutt (and for that matter, Pine). Except for filtering, which isn't a Linux MUA's job when procmail is available in all distributions. And so far as point and click interfaces are concerned, there is Eterm+Mutt. And these features of Mutt are not listed there: 1. Hooks associated with address/folder... 2. Mailing list support (partial) 3. Multiple signature files - even from pipes! 4. IMAP support 5. IMAP over SSL 6. Email threading (a must if you are reading mailing lists). All this in a mere 400 kB. Binand -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6NGGUGXtiwttetWoRAiTjAJ0WbLeY/kmQXFiFH8qYbJisSDbDugCfdrSb u0HwjcLBDcMgCM6yLv+LyLc= =/u/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 21:35:12 2000 Received: from hwembmn2601.honeywell.com (hwembmn2601.honeywell.com [129.30.244.21]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A754649F44 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by HWEMNMN2601 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:35:22 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Kondaiah (IE10)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Problem regarding booting linux from sandisk Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:33:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200012/77 X-Sequence-Number: 816 Hi Regarding the booting problem, the Sandisk is considered as a standard IDE device. The Sandisk is booted on a PC with video. There is no problem in mounting the Sandisk on the Hard disk.When the system is booted only with Sandisk(disabling the hard disk), with linux 4.0 there is no problem in lilo loader.The linux kernel is uncompressed. But after that we get a kernel panic because the ext2 file system is not recogonized. But the same kernel is working fine in MIG-200 box. The linux 4.0 is removed and the Sandisk is ported with redhat linux 6.2 (kernel 2.2.14-5). when the system is started it stops at LI of LILO loader. The problem is because of the disk parameters or because the lilo was not updated. The lilo is updated on the harddisk for the sandisk and when the the system is stared up, the OS is loaded and uncompressed and we get kernel panic because it is unable to recogonize the init files. But the init file is in the proper place.When the kernel is started from MG-200 box the operating system is up but we are not able to telnet it.If any body knew something about please help me. Thanks, ________________________________Honeywell Kondaiah Dasari Honeywell India Software Operation Pvt Ltd 19/4, Venkataswamy Naidu Road Tasker Town, Bangalore - 560051, INDIA Ph : 91-80-2860357 Fax : 91-80-2860356 Email :kondaiah@honeywell.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 10 23:41:55 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197514A192 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32165 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:39:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:39:59 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LINKS] PCQuest... and Linux Message-ID: <20001210233959.A32135@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <00121101322608.02075@bytesforall> <20001211103950.A31478@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001211103950.A31478@bombay.retortsoft.com>; from binand@bombay.retortsoft.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:39:50AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/78 X-Sequence-Number: 817 On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:39:50AM +0530, Binand Raj S. wrote: > All this in a mere 400 kB. I wish mutt was not GPL'ed and supported KDE :) -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 00:10:53 2000 Received: from unknown-230-101.pilot.net (unknown-230-101.pilot.net [206.98.230.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687C44A1CA; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-239-165.pilot.net (unknown-239-165.pilot.net [206.189.239.165]) by unknown-230-101.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA03036; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-165.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA01505; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:43:59 +0530 Message-ID: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E15253B@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: LIP , LIG Subject: if joe is your fave editor.. Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:44:08 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/79 X-Sequence-Number: 818 joe happens to be my fave texteditor on Linux. You can flame me, will be streamed to bit-bucket :-) -------------- I am extremely sorry for the previous post. [above] This was the "meat".. looks like it got $crewed [lost] along the way. ------------------------------------------------------------ *** {00.50.014} Linux - Update {00.48.005}: Joe DEADJOE file creation follows symlinks Debian has re-released updated joe packages that fix the vulnerability discussed in {00.48.005} ("Joe DEADJOE file creation follows symlinks"). The original packages contained a bug in the corrected code. Updated Debian DEBs are listed at: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/vendor/2000-q4/0100.html Source: Debian http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/vendor/2000-q4/0100.html ------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Shourya Sarcar || Global Software Platforms gemedicalsystems.com || ge.com || elfun.org 5263121 xt 362 || shourya@shourya.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 00:16:00 2000 Received: from unknown-230-101.pilot.net (unknown-230-101.pilot.net [206.98.230.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F88E4A08E; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-239-165.pilot.net (unknown-239-165.pilot.net [206.189.239.165]) by unknown-230-101.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA05464; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-165.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA04060; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:49:22 +0530 Message-ID: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E152557@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: rkp@intotoinc.com Cc: LIP , LIG Subject: [OT]RE: [LIP] kindly suggest a project Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:49:30 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200012/80 X-Sequence-Number: 819 Does yahoo! have a pop server ? Yahoo!India ? Could you please pass the IP and other relevant info ? Regards, Shourya ~-----Original Message----- ~From: Ch.Rama Krishna Prasad [mailto:rkp@intotoinc.com] ~Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:47 AM ~To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org; Vikas P; ~deepakyadav@india.com ~Cc: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org ~Subject: Re: [LIP] kindly suggest a project ~ ~ ~Hi vikas, ~ I think hotmail as no pop server. Try with yahoo . If it=20 ~works with yahoo ~your programming is good otherwise check your code.=20 ~OK ~From ~Ch.R.k.Prasad ~ ~ ~On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Vikas P wrote: ~> Hi! ~> I'm making SMTP client I've VSNL Account. I use smtp.vsnl.com as SMTP ~> Server. The VSNL Server doesn't recognize my hotmail account ~> panchal80@hotmail.com or even any other account (except my VSNL email ~> account). I program it in C (Linux). Is the problem with=20 ~VSNL or my network ~> settings...??? ~>=20 ~>=20 ~> ----- Original Message ----- ~> From: "=D0 =EB =EA =FE =E3 K" ~> To: ~> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:08 PM ~> Subject: Re: [LIP] kindly suggest a project ~>=20 ~>=20 ~> > smtp or pop client would be fine ~> > ~> > _______ ~> > deepak ~> > ~> > ~> > At 12/10/00 9:22:00 AM, you wrote: ~> > >hello list, ~> > > i am a newbie to linux, but interested in=20 ~prgramming in ~> it,especially in the ~> > networking part.can anyone suggest a project that can be=20 ~completed within ~> a ~> > reasonable amount of time. ~> > > ~> > > ~> > >_____________________________________________________ ~> > >Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get=20 ~Rediff Bol at ~> > >http://bol.rediff.com ~> > > ~> > >Participate in crazy auctions at=20 http://auctions.rediff.com/auctions/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > > >An alpha version of a web based tool to manage > > >your subscription with this mailing list is at > > >http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > __reply soon > > __bye > > _____|) (- (- |> /\ |< > > ______________________ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > The mailing list archives are available at > > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIP > > >=20 > --------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ --------------------------------------------- LIP is all for free speech. But it was created for a purpose. Violations of the rules of this list will result in stern action. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 00:36:55 2000 Received: from unknown-230-101.pilot.net (unknown-230-101.pilot.net [206.98.230.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9148649F4D for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-239-165.pilot.net (unknown-239-165.pilot.net [206.189.239.165]) by unknown-230-101.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA17150 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-165.pilot.net with ESMTP id DAA17392 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:09:56 +0530 Message-ID: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: LIG Subject: originality in linux Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:10:05 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/81 X-Sequence-Number: 820 This is something which I thought would make some discussion. A gentleman on a JUGlist wrote: > Here is just one little challange from me to anyone and everyone on this > list. This had come up during one discussion when I was working previously > in a company engaged in linux-based development. > "Just name *one* thing in linux, that is an *original* concept!" > ... and best of luck! :) > > Regards, > Abhi I found out one. the name. so beautifully intertwined with Linus' name. Hmm.. some people might copy that.. hmm.. Billdoze [R], Regards, shourya _______________________________________________ Shourya Sarcar || Global Software Platforms gemedicalsystems.com || ge.com || elfun.org livejournal.com/users/sarcar || shourya.com +91 80 5263121 xt 362 || shourya@shourya.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 01:03:57 2000 Received: from mailscan.pune.gsslco.co.in (unknown [203.129.226.242]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2AEA4A057 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: FROM phoenix.pune.gsslco.co.in BY mailscan.pune.gsslco.co.in ; Mon Dec 11 14:42:20 2000 +0500 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:24:08 +0530 (IST) From: sreangsu acharyya X-Sender: sreangsua@phoenix.pune.gsslco.co.in To: rkp@intotoinc.com Cc: LIG Subject: Re: [OT]RE: [LIP] kindly suggest a project In-Reply-To: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E152557@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/82 X-Sequence-Number: 821 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Sarcar, Shourya (MED) wrote: > Does yahoo! have a pop server ? Yahoo!India ? > Could you please pass the IP and other relevant info ? yeah yahoo offers a free pop service through pop.mail.yahoo.com which i think resolves to pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk. As yet no such service by yahoo india sreangsu From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 01:23:31 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346BA4A13F; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBB9J6H06316; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:06 +0530 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:06 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: LIP , LIG Subject: Re: [OT]RE: [LIP] kindly suggest a project Message-ID: <20001211144906.A6312@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: LIP , LIG References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E152557@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E152557@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com>; from Shourya.Sarcar@geind.ge.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 01:49:30PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/83 X-Sequence-Number: 822 Sarcar, Shourya (MED) rearranged electrons thusly: > Does yahoo! have a pop server ? Yahoo!India ? > Could you please pass the IP and other relevant info ? pop.mail.yahoo.com smtp.mail.yahoo.com (uses pop before smtp authentication) both are dead slow. --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 01:27:48 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21354A2D0 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-178-61.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.178.61]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2016189 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:16 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001211145609.00ad79a0@hawk> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@hawk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:00:10 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: Re: [OT]RE: [LIP] kindly suggest a project In-Reply-To: References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E152557@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/84 X-Sequence-Number: 823 At 02:24 PM 11/12/00 +0530, sreangsu wrote: >On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Sarcar, Shourya (MED) wrote: > > > Does yahoo! have a pop server ? Yahoo!India ? > > Could you please pass the IP and other relevant info ? > >yeah yahoo offers a free pop service through pop.mail.yahoo.com which i >think resolves to pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk. As yet no such service by yahoo >india AFAIK, pop.mail.yahoo.com and pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk are sperate servers. You need to have accounts on yahoo.com and yahoo.co.uk respectively in order to use them. Biju ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 12:20:21 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F284A013 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01131 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:18:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:18:22 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: originality in linux Message-ID: <20001211121822.A1115@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com>; from Shourya.Sarcar@geind.ge.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:10:05PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/85 X-Sequence-Number: 824 On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:10:05PM +0530, Sarcar, Shourya (MED) wrote: > This is something which I thought would make some discussion. I think the ones that Linus is particularly proud of: 1. dcache (directory cache) 2. threading architecture decision (which breaks POSIX - heated discussions on this often result in name calling on lkml) -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 12:33:10 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B7D4A090 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.176]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:58:13 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Linux on Schools PCs... Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:37:38 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: prakash@freeos.com References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012112343240C.00561@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/86 X-Sequence-Number: 825 Dear friends at LinuxIndia, Another query from a non-techie: Any suggestions on the type of Linux flavour would be best suited for older PCs? This could have enormous implications to how many schools in this part of the globe get access to computing, since earlier-generation machines would obviously be far easier available. What do the others in the group think about the suggestions below? On Vector Linux and Small Linux and Mu Linux? Another other perspectives? Any suggestions? We have currently been challenged by our expat friends donating earlier-generation computers over to Goa. Windows (pirated) is easy to install. But we have only a small Linux group here, and our group is just one year old. In view of this, we really look forward to suggestions and guidance of other veterans on this list. Maybe friends like Prakash Advani can cut a special CD of school-related software, with the OS. This might make it far easier to load Linux on machines in schools speedily. The Mexicans mention the Red Escolar flavour of Linux. In what way is that different? Less heavy on the machines? Looking forward to your feedback and ideas. --Frederick. *********SHRIDHAR'S POINT ON VECTOR LINUX**************** [ilug-goa] Re: [LIH] QUERY: What is Small Linux? From: Frederick Noronha Shridhar Daithankar On Wed, 06 Dec 2000, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > Hi Frederick > I was surfing freshmeat.net and came across VectorLinux. It claims to occupy > only 170M install for a plethora of utilities. Perhaps even more than you > want... :-)) > Just checkout... > Bye > Shridhar > Frederick Noronha wrote: > > The April 1999 issue of *Computer World* has a CD containing the > > program called *Small Linux*. Any idea what this is? **************SRINIVAS MENTIONED MULINUX****************** From: M Srinivas Rayudu To: ilug-goa@egroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:51:16 +0530 (IST) Hi ! BTW: Has anyone heard of mulinux (http://sunsite.auc.dk/mulinux) It can be installed in dos/win/linux/ram ... A server and workstation complete with X windows (based on kernel 2.0.36) fits in less than 50 MB. with customisation - could be small on 10 MB hdd space(win/dos partition) including X-windows It has almost all kinds of service's - http / mail / samba /firewall/ telnet / ftp / dial in server / ..... the list goes on and on ( A fantastic server ) It needs 4 MB of minimal RAM - preferable 8+ it has fvwm / wm as its windomanager Srinivas rayudu@ieee.org From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 12:46:14 2000 Received: from nick.nikhilwiz.net (unknown [202.152.131.30]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2A549F62 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:46:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nikhil@localhost) by nick.nikhilwiz.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBBKxHh19050 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:29:17 +0530 (IST) (envelope-from nikhilwiz@yahoo.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nick.nikhilwiz.net: nikhil set sender to nikhilwiz@yahoo.com using -f Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:29:17 +0530 From: Nick Hill To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: originality in linux Message-ID: <20001212022917.B1215@nick.nikhilwiz.net> References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com>; from Shourya.Sarcar@geind.ge.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:10:05PM +0530 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD nick.nikhilwiz.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-Archive-Number: 200012/87 X-Sequence-Number: 826 i do find a few things which i find pretty slick. I dunno how far they go as being the first one at it. here's my take: 1. framebuffer - GGI, KGI, now into kernel. 2. /proc - yeah, ok, sysctl is the Right Thing To Do (tm), but linprocfs is l33t. i do agree that most of the other stuff is just a better implementation of similiar features in others OSen, but then, I could say the same about M$: Product Inspiration 1. NT UNIX 2. Winduhz Apple Macintosh 3. DirectX OpenGL 4. Active Directory Novell's Directory Services 5. VBScript JavaScript 6. ActiveX Java 7. MS Office Lotus Smartsuite, ClarisWorks, etc. I really dont remember any more of M$, but I guess u get the drift. I think this question doesn't make much of a sense. People cant have radical thoughts on a daily basis. A lot of OS research zealots claim that UNIX killed OS research, due to its extensive ability to extend and embrace new features and standards. M$ implements the same thing in its management but unfortunately not in its software. Since the whole concept of OSS is to continually improve software for a better tomorrow, I dont think this should be taken into view. I had a similiar discussion with a friend quite some time ago, about "Killer Apps" which've come around in Linux and OSS in general. Apache and GIMP come to u're mind. The reason that "Killer Apps" cannot exist in a world comprised of OSS, cuz once u release an app, its not too difficult to leech code from it, and make a new one with some additional features added to it. U're new app might be the one which is far more appreciated altho the amount of code u put in is of a _much_ lesser degree than the original author's. IMHO, OpenSSH from the OpenBSD group is one such case. An app cant remain a "Killer App", unless the author is completely bent upon maintaining it forever. A new app in the form of a "LINKA Is Not Killer App" doesn't take much time to come into the open. Thus, I dont feel the "originality" factor in the features/standards provided by anything play any role, in an OSS world. It might have made some sense in the proprietary world, tho not too a great extent, especially with the existing competition. I feel that, if an App needs to survive the test of time, it needs to hit the right spot initially, be it an "original" or simply an extension. If the app is well maintained, and kept up with the user's demands and standards and efficiency, it _could_ turn out to be a "Killer". Nikhil. On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:10:05PM +0530, Sarcar, Shourya (MED) wrote: > A gentleman on a JUGlist wrote: > > > Here is just one little challange from me to anyone and everyone on this > > > list. This had come up during one discussion when I was working previously > > > in a company engaged in linux-based development. > > > "Just name *one* thing in linux, that is an *original* concept!" > > > ... and best of luck! :) > From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 18:15:49 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752254A10A for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01954 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:13:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:13:50 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: originality in linux Message-ID: <20001211181350.A1938@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <20001212022917.B1215@nick.nikhilwiz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001212022917.B1215@nick.nikhilwiz.net>; from nikhilwiz@yahoo.com on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 02:29:17AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/88 X-Sequence-Number: 827 On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 02:29:17AM +0530, Nick Hill wrote: > 2. /proc - yeah, ok, sysctl is the Right Thing To Do (tm), but linprocfs > is l33t. /proc/pid/* existed in other UNIXes before Linux, IIRC. What Linux did new was to stick a whole bunch of other stuff in /proc/meminfo etc. Some people think it's a bad idea. -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 18:34:18 2000 Received: from tringtring.com (mail.tringtring.com [202.177.161.152]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC3C49F61 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [210.18.2.95] (HELO blackehlo.efn.org) by tringtring.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 1707993; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:14:48 +0530 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212080336.009f8ac0@pop.efn.org> X-Sender: mallet@pop.efn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:06:17 +0530 To: fred@bytesforall.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: Re: Linux on Schools PCs... Cc: prakash@freeos.com In-Reply-To: <0012112343240C.00561@bytesforall> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/89 X-Sequence-Number: 828 At 12:37 AM 12/12/00 +0530, Frederick Noronha wrote: >Another query from a non-techie: Any suggestions on the type of Linux >flavour would be best suited for older PCs? This could have enormous Debian / Slakware will do for this sort of thing. Or older versions of any distro (but those are not too secure, have bugs etc) FreeBSD 4.x openly claims that it will run on (min) a 386 with 5 MB RAM (and they apologized for the increase from 4MB in the docs) ;) >suggestions below? On Vector Linux and Small Linux and Mu Linux? >Another other perspectives? Any suggestions? that is "underkill" Best - read the etherboot howto and set up lots of dumb X terminals running of a single (more powerful - early pentium, say) PC --suresh From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 21:57:47 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28E949F44 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([202.54.50.128]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04110; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:33:00 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000101c06401$227965a0$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Linux on Schools PCs... Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:03:58 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/90 X-Sequence-Number: 829 Hi Frederick Here are the ways in which we can help, 1. We can make bootable Linux CD with required application, the PC need not have hard disk also. The user data can be stored on server hard disk. The only problem is CD ROM will be required. 2. We can squeeze some older linux version on 1.2 Mb floppy (1.44 is not reliable ) with minimum set of utility. Again the hard disk or CD ROM is not required. The user data is stored on server hard disk. 3. We can make all your 486 booting to terminal and then getting connected to server, using just a floppy drive. 4. We can provide bootable ROM for network card for disk less node in that case nothing is required on PC. Option 1, 2,3 are readily available with us, for option 4 we will need spend some time, So make a choice depending on the resources available. And yes, all this comes to you absolutely FREE. Regards, Mukund Deshmukh Beta Computronics Pvt. Ltd. Web Site - www.betacomp.com -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Noronha To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: prakash@freeos.com Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: [LIG] Re: Linux on Schools PCs... >Dear friends at LinuxIndia, >Another query from a non-techie: Any suggestions on the type of Linux >flavour would be best suited for older PCs? This could have enormous >implications to how many schools in this part of the globe get access >to computing, since earlier-generation machines would obviously be far >easier available. What do the others in the group think about the >suggestions below? On Vector Linux and Small Linux and Mu Linux? >Another other perspectives? Any suggestions? >We have currently been challenged by our expat friends donating >earlier-generation computers over to Goa. Windows (pirated) is easy to >install. But we have only a small Linux group here, and our group is >just one year old. >In view of this, we really look forward to suggestions and guidance of >other veterans on this list. Maybe friends like Prakash Advani can cut >a special CD of school-related software, with the OS. This might make >it far easier to load Linux on machines in schools speedily. >The Mexicans mention the Red Escolar flavour of Linux. In what way is >that different? Less heavy on the machines? >Looking forward to your feedback and ideas. --Frederick. > From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 11 22:17:43 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4310949F44 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03225; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:57:07 +0530 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:57:07 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: prakash@freeos.com Subject: Re: Re: Linux on Schools PCs... In-Reply-To: <000101c06401$227965a0$f201a8c0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/91 X-Sequence-Number: 830 On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Mukund wrote: > 4. We can provide bootable ROM for network card for disk less node in that > case nothing is required on PC. > > Option 1, 2,3 are readily available with us, for option 4 we will need > spend some time, you can have a look at http://www.ltsp.org regarding Linux Terminal Server Project. Also http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com. It may be helpful for your need. -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 04:26:38 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A6749F42 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.64]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:52:07 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: LINK: Conference in Goa on IT in tourism... Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:46:06 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121122375303.01804@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/92 X-Sequence-Number: 831 Hi LIGers: As you might be aware, the CSI at Goa is pretty pro-Linux. Our ILUGGoa operates from their offices, and courtesy their hospitality. They were asking whether we know of any tourism-related Linux/Open Source IT products. Any suggestions or who might be interested in presenting a paper, or where we could get such information for? Any pointers would be gratefully appreciated. -FN ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- The CSI (Computer Society of India) Western region is in the process of finalising the WRC (Western Regional Conference) to be held in Goa in February 2001. Dates will be Feb 21-22-23, 2001. We're sending this "Call for papers" info email, and would be obliged if anyone interested in presenting papers (at the WRC 2001) could get in touch with us. We'd welcome paper presentations from any interested persons (you needn't be CSI Members)... We're also looking for Industry Sponsors, Manufacturers that'd be interested in putting-up presentations on Software and Solutions of interest to the Tourism and Hotel Industry and the like. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRC 2001 - SCHEDULE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Wednesday 21 February 2001 - Full day - Technical Sessions. - Thursday 22 February 2001 - Full day - WRC and Presentations. - Friday 23 February 2001 - Full day - WRC and Presentations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WRC 2001 - CALL FOR PAPERS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Theme : "IT in Tourism" The WRC 2001 is scheduled to be held at Goa, on the 22nd and 23rd of February 2001. Goa with it's beautiful beaches, special ambience and unique blend of western and eastern cultures is known the world-over as a tourist destination. Tourism has Industry status in Goa and is one of the state's main revenue earners. Today, in addition to the Tourism Industry, the government of Goa is actively pushing for the set-up of other clean and environment friendly industries, with the main area of focus being IT and IT services. The link-up of these two types of industries, Tourism and Information Technology, is not just important for a place as Goa, but for the entire globe. Both IT and Tourism are industries which are growing at a phenomenal rate. The WRC 2001, intends to take a look at the future for both these industries... The WRC, in addition to the usual activities, will include technical sessions in which contributory papers will be presented. Papers of original contributions are invited from researchers, students and professionals. Technical papers on the following topics are invited: ===================================================== 1. Information Technology in Tourism 2. E-Commerce and it's application to tourism 3. Enabling Systems for the Tourism Industry 4. Open-Source Software and Systems for the Tourism Industry Paper Submission: ================= * 800 word synopsis (text-only) on the paper intended to be presented to be sent (by email) to wrc-2001@csi-goa.org on/before 31st December 2000. * Papers selected for presentation will need to be submitted by 15th January 2001. * We welcome Student papers, and will be reserving a special session for student presentations. Manufacturer's Presentations: ============================= A limited number of Presentation slots are scheduled to fit-in with the conference. Manufacturers (IT Companies) interested in making presentations on the products and/or services should email wrc-2001@csi-goa.org on/before 31st December 2000. Tutorials and Technical Sessions: ================================= Are also planned on topics of interest. Check for details in the next issue of CSI Communications. For any Further Information: ============================ Email: wrc-2001@csi-goa.org or wrc-2001@opspl.com ------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 04:39:58 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A012A4A0EB for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 04:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBCCZX410993 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:05:33 +0530 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:05:33 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: LINK: Conference in Goa on IT in tourism... Message-ID: <20001212180533.B10903@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <00121122375303.01804@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00121122375303.01804@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 05:46:06PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/93 X-Sequence-Number: 832 Frederick Noronha rearranged electrons thusly: > Hi LIGers: As you might be aware, the CSI at Goa is pretty pro-Linux. ^^^^^^^^ so we are the offspring of a lion father and a tiger mother? ;) --suresh (g,d,r) > Our ILUGGoa operates from their offices, and courtesy their > hospitality. They were asking whether we know of any tourism-related > Linux/Open Source IT products. Any suggestions or who might be see what google says when searching for tourism and linux ;) from i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/jul99.shtml > Madam Cosmos: Linux will help tourism, too. Dothan, Alabama will > erect a monument at the location of the first known yard sale where a Linux > CD was bought ... Then a real beauty at www.alienor.fr/~pierre/lj/viewsurf/ which starts ... > According to Linus Torvalds himself "Linux is supposed to be fun". This > article explains how LINUX is joyfully used in the ViewSurf "Beach report", a > fun WebCAM based service. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 08:00:50 2000 Received: from blue.csa.iisc.ernet.in (blue.csa.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.67.191]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C864A18D for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by blue.csa.iisc.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00968; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:32:32 +0530 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:32:31 +0530 (IST) From: Alex M Alex To: Frederick Noronha Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, prakash@freeos.com Subject: Re: Re: Linux on Schools PCs... In-Reply-To: <0012112343240C.00561@bytesforall> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/94 X-Sequence-Number: 833 hi frederick, One year back trivandrum LUG have installed similar GNU/Linux setup in ChristNagar School Trivandrum Kerala.DetailsYou can check this up with arun@freedevelopers.net regards alex From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 10:01:39 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774E24A0E7 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03824 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:40:57 +0530 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:40:57 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Linux on P4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/95 X-Sequence-Number: 834 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: G Gautam To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Linux on P4 Not all Linuxes run on a P4. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2663335,00.html?chkpt=zdnn121200 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 10:07:26 2000 Received: from alabama.innomedia.soft.net (ns.innomedia.soft.net [164.164.79.130]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB18E4A0E7 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from innomedia.soft.net (PPP-179-184.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.179.184]) by alabama.innomedia.soft.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16152 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:39:13 +0530 Message-ID: <3A366923.2B130F2B@innomedia.soft.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:36:27 +0530 From: dayalan manohar X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Linux on P4 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/96 X-Sequence-Number: 835 also http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1003-201-4102829-0.html?pt.nc.htmldisp.hl.ne M K Saravanan wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: G Gautam > To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in > Subject: Linux on P4 > > Not all Linuxes run on a P4. > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2663335,00.html?chkpt=zdnn121200 > > ---------------------------------------------- > LIG is all for free speech. But it was created > for a purpose. Violations of the rules of > this list will result in stern action. -- Disclaimer: These are the words of Dayalan Manohar speaking for himself and not on behalf of any organisation or any other entity.Any opinions or views expressed are his own. 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X-Sender: mallet@pop.efn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:48:38 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, From: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: Linux on P4 Cc: dayalan manohar In-Reply-To: <3A366923.2B130F2B@innomedia.soft.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/98 X-Sequence-Number: 837 At 11:36 PM 12/12/00 +0530, dayalan manohar wrote: >also >http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1003-201-4102829-0.html?pt.nc.htmldisp.hl.ne Virus Alert!!! Dayalan - your comp has the MTX virus, please fix it. You just broadcast a virus attachment to the LIG list. --suresh From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 11:02:44 2000 Received: from nick.nikhilwiz.net (unknown [202.152.131.243]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5597A4A091 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nikhil@localhost) by nick.nikhilwiz.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBCJFWW02610 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:45:32 +0530 (IST) (envelope-from nikhilwiz@yahoo.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nick.nikhilwiz.net: nikhil set sender to nikhilwiz@yahoo.com using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:45:32 +0530 From: Nick Hill To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: originality in linux Message-ID: <20001213004532.B2497@nick.nikhilwiz.net> References: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E1525C0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> <20001212022917.B1215@nick.nikhilwiz.net> <20001211181350.A1938@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20001211181350.A1938@sharmas.dhs.org>; from arun@sharmas.dhs.org on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 06:13:50PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD nick.nikhilwiz.net 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-Archive-Number: 200012/99 X-Sequence-Number: 838 I'm not talking about the /proc/pid/*, I'm talking about other stuff which basically is sysctls put into a dir. structure. its easier to write: # echo foobar > /proc/foo/bar than # sysctl kern.foo.bar=foobar on second thoughts, both look alike, but as I said, it's a wee bit on the l33t side.. ;> I do agree that a 'sysctl -a' makes more sense than a 'ls -lR /proc'. heh Nikhil. On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 06:13:50PM -0800, Arun Sharma wrote: > /proc/pid/* existed in other UNIXes before Linux, IIRC. What Linux > did new was to stick a whole bunch of other stuff in /proc/meminfo > etc. Some people think it's a bad idea. > > -Arun > > ---------------------------------------------- > LIG is all for free speech. But it was created > for a purpose. Violations of the rules of > this list will result in stern action. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 18:27:44 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD64A192 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from caesar.bgl.vsnl.net.in (PPP-182-207.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.182.207]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B0D6149 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:49:23 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001213073714.025f0cf0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: cmbalaji/bgl.vsnl.net.in@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:37:59 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: BALAJI MASILAMANI Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <200012121809.XAA16160@alabama.innomedia.soft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/100 X-Sequence-Number: 839 Please note for your information At 12-12-2000 Tuesday23:39, the mail sent by manohar@innomedia.soft.net "INTERNET_SECURITY_FORUM.DOC.pif" was infected with the: "W95.MTX.dr" virus. The file was quarantined by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, December 13, 2000 07:24 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 23:07:10 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2494A01C for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (anil@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22897 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:42:29 +0530 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:42:28 +0530 (IST) From: Anil Pillai To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Strange sight on www.indiainfo.com... In-Reply-To: <000101c06401$227965a0$f201a8c0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/101 X-Sequence-Number: 840 hi all, The following is what I saw when I lynxed to http://www.indiainfo.com at around 12:30 pm today. infol0ck haxz0rd j00 props: #netwerking; i explioted j000 ./haxz0r www 80; .bash# mount /dev/mainfrayme /mnt/mf-; cd /mnt/mf- | cat clothes | grep c0ck | tail -cuM ass | echo "weeee" | umount /dev/mainfrayme; Anyone please care to explain me what this could be about ... Anil. <-- Inside of every large program is a small program struggling to get out--> From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 23:34:27 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E8D4A198 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBD7TVQ13735 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:59:31 +0530 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:59:31 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Strange sight on www.indiainfo.com... Message-ID: <20001213125931.B13697@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000101c06401$227965a0$f201a8c0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from anil@bombay.retortsoft.com on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 12:42:28PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/102 X-Sequence-Number: 841 Anil Pillai rearranged electrons thusly: > The following is what I saw when I lynxed to http://www.indiainfo.com at > around 12:30 pm today. > infol0ck haxz0rd j00 > props: #netwerking; i explioted j000 ./haxz0r www 80; .bash# mount > /dev/mainfrayme /mnt/mf-; cd /mnt/mf- | cat clothes | grep c0ck | tail > -cuM ass | echo "weeee" | umount /dev/mainfrayme; > Anyone please care to explain me what this could be about ... what it says ... that indiainfo.com has been hacked, rooted, whatever. If you people have accounts there, ditch them - the passwords are likely to have been compromised only - they seem to refresh their content with a cronjob of some kind - I cant see anything like that on the front page. http://www.attrition.org/mirror/attrition/in.html for a very nice link. Aptech is listed there (why am I not surprised???), but sadly, IIT-M is also listed there ... ---suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 23:37:16 2000 Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FAA4A16C for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay.pobox.com (unknown [202.144.73.167]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBB63258A for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 02:36:29 -0500 (EST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001213130548.00b0bd40@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:06:27 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: Re: Strange sight on www.indiainfo.com... In-Reply-To: References: <000101c06401$227965a0$f201a8c0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/103 X-Sequence-Number: 842 At 12:42 PM 12/13/2000 +0530, Anil Pillai wrote: >The following is what I saw when I lynxed to http://www.indiainfo.com at >around 12:30 pm today. > >infol0ck haxz0rd j00 > props: #netwerking; i explioted j000 ./haxz0r www 80; .bash# mount > /dev/mainfrayme /mnt/mf-; cd /mnt/mf- | cat clothes | grep c0ck | tail > -cuM ass | echo "weeee" | umount /dev/mainfrayme; It's been cracked. Seems to be back to normal now, though. Should check attrition.org for the mirror... Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 12 23:56:43 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315324A315 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.112]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:22:09 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Virus alert... Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:38:19 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212234724.009fa760@pop.efn.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212234724.009fa760@pop.efn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/104 X-Sequence-Number: 843 For my knowledge, how would it act on computers running on Linux? Would it affect it differently from Windows-based computers, or not at all? FN On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, you wrote: > At 11:36 PM 12/12/00 +0530, dayalan manohar wrote: > >also > >http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1003-201-4102829-0.html?pt.nc.htmldisp.hl.ne > > Virus Alert!!! Dayalan - your comp has the MTX virus, please fix it. You > just broadcast a virus attachment to the LIG list. > > --suresh From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 00:36:45 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F034A09E for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from amarg@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28242 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:10:33 +0530 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:10:33 +0530 From: Amarendra GODBOLE To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: Virus alert... Message-ID: <20001213141033.A28123@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212234724.009fa760@pop.efn.org> <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall>; from fred@bytesforall.org on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 01:38:19AM +0530 X-Quote: "If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you." X-Friends: Shailesh, Shantanu, Sameer, Prachi, Dinesh, Sujeet. X-Home: www.crosswinds.net/~amargod X-Organisation: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd., Powai, Mumbai. INDIA. X-Archive-Number: 200012/105 X-Sequence-Number: 844 On Wed, Dec 13, 2000, the greycells of Frederick Noronha expressed: > For my knowledge, how would it act on computers running on Linux? Would > it affect it differently from Windows-based computers, or not at all? FN > Hey fred, it was a warning given to users of M$ win., as some on this mailing list use m$ outlook, etc.. As to Linux, these viruses can do nothing, they are as quite as puppies ;-) AFAIK, there is a single Unix worm known to human beings, someone correct me if I am wrong. -amar- -- Amarendra GODBOLE 18.97 deg. N / 72.83 deg. E +0530 GMT From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 00:53:03 2000 Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A284A0F0 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay.pobox.com (unknown [202.144.73.167]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1245232585 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:52:27 -0500 (EST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001213141859.00aa3108@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:22:25 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: Re: Re: Virus alert... In-Reply-To: <20001213141033.A28123@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall> <5.0.2.1.2.20001212234724.009fa760@pop.efn.org> <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/106 X-Sequence-Number: 845 At 02:10 PM 12/13/2000 +0530, Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: >As to Linux, these viruses can do nothing, they are as quite as puppies ;-) > >AFAIK, there is a single Unix worm known to human beings, someone correct me >if I am wrong. There is more than one worm, but the most famous of them all was RTM's worm [1]. There are also some Linux viruses known, notably Bliss [2] but they are currently just lab curiosities. That might change, though. Udhay [1] http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6805/articles/morris-worm.html [2] http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux/1998-Jan/0398.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 04:32:13 2000 Received: from server1.controlnet.co.in (controlnet.co.in [202.54.116.66]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D85249F47 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 04:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from controlnet.co.in (mario [192.168.1.100]) by server1.controlnet.co.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01618 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:41:24 +0530 Message-ID: <3A376B80.A8E21A9B@controlnet.co.in> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:58:48 +0530 From: Mario da Costa Organization: ControlNet (India) Pvt. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: Virus alert... References: <5.0.2.1.2.20001212234724.009fa760@pop.efn.org> <00121301392103.00630@bytesforall> <20001213141033.A28123@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/107 X-Sequence-Number: 846 Amarendra GODBOLE wrote: > > Hey fred, it was a warning given to users of M$ win., as some on this mailing > list use m$ outlook, etc.. > and there are a lot of us out here :o( I need to use "m$" at work. Regards, mario -- ..... in life, there is more imagination than in all our dreams ..... From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 10:09:00 2000 Received: from bom6.vsnl.net.in (bom6.vsnl.net.in [202.54.4.38]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265D44A0F8; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP95-109.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.95.109]) by bom6.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AF1560AA; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:38:13 +0500 (IST) Message-ID: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> From: "Vikrant Dhawale" To: "plug mail" Cc: , , "ILUG" , , , Subject: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:06:15 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200012/108 X-Sequence-Number: 847 This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions http://www.pioneerbizz.com/ Free Online Tutorials - linux - basic skills, programming, administration http://www.freeskills.com Thanks Vikrant Dhawale --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 12:40:46 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067024A120 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com [192.168.100.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13117 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:12:35 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01673 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:03:01 +0530 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:03:01 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Message-ID: <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default>; from vkdhawale@vsnl.com on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 10:06:15PM +0530 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/109 X-Sequence-Number: 848 Vikrant Dhawale forced the electrons to say: > This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions > http://www.pioneerbizz.com/ Their page says, "This page needs frames, your browser supports them". My browser is lynx 2.8.3. > Free Online Tutorials - linux - basic skills, programming, administration > http://www.freeskills.com This page has only javascript. My browser does not support them. What sort of basic linux skills are you giving? Binand From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 14:15:19 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485C14A113 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.45]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:40:45 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: [Long] LINUX AND NONPROFITS: IT and Empowerment Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:18:09 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012140119020D.00525@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/110 X-Sequence-Number: 849 Please check the comments on Linux below. Interesting... --Frederick. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Article: IT and Empowerment Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:51:32 From: "Madanmohan Rao" Hi friends - A warm hello again from Bangalore! An article I wrote on the recent "IT and Empowerment" conference in Bangalore appears today on the INOMY.com site; the full version appears below. Comments, feedback, etc. most welcome. Happy reading! - madan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empowerment And Cyberspace: The Many Faces Of New Media Madanmohan Rao reports from the "IT and Empowerment" conference in Bangalore //www.INOMY.com// Can the Internet help empower people - or does it actually reinforce existing inequities in society? Can the non-profit, academic, government and private sectors together address, analyse and assess the socio-economic consequences of IT diffusion in urban and rural societies? Close to a hundred delegates debated these issues in Bangalore recently at the two-day conference provocatively titled "IT and Empowerment: The Greater the Access, The More the Divide?" Hosted by Indian non-governmental organisations Madhyam (madhyam@giasbg01.vsnl.net.in), Voices (voices@vsnl.com), South Asia Media Association, and the Delhi office of the German NGO Friedrich Eberhardt Stiftung (www.fes.de), the event promises to become an annual affair to broaden the scope of dialogue and action on the larger context of IT issues. Publishing of conference proceedings and online discussion will be coordinated via a group of Web sites including Indian Webzine INOMY (www.inomy.com). Earlier conferences in Bangalore - such as BangaloreIT.com - have also addressed similar issues, and in 1998 the Bangalore Declaration on IT in Developing Nations (http://www.csa.iisc.ernet.in/bangit/bangdec/bangdec.html) was passed, drawing attention to the opportunities and challenges of the Internet economy. Plans to bridge the digital divide must address not just basic connectivity issues, but also local content, affordable infrastructure, online/offline discussion fora, sustainable business models, user-friendly interfaces, multi-channel media synergies, local skillsets, and multi-sector cooperation. For instance, the Centre for Education and Documentation (www.doc-centre.org) in Mumbai and Bangalore assists NGOs not just via Internet access facilities but also workshops in Intranet management and the use of freeware and shareware like Linux. "The Internet and Intranet are useful for furthering documentation and information-linking activities as well as quick communication and coordination among NGOs," said Shubha Chacko, an activist at CED. "Our Indialink initiative helped link NGOs online and coordinate activism around environmental, gender and nuclear energy issues," she said. Coordination of conferences via the Net has helped develop less of a local bias and include more participation from different parts of the country, she observed; for instance, conferences held in the capital city can become less "Delhi-centric." "We are strongly in favour of Linux. The basic open philosophy of Linux resonates with the outlook of NGOs as well," Chacko observed. CED uses freeware to manage document systems as well as email archives. Linux is good for low-budget organisations; it is very easy to get support online from the Linux user community for problems you may encounter, Chacko added. CED has been popularising Linux among NGOs via educational workshops and demos. Getting low cost software and content is also a concern for voluntary training organisations like Each One, Teach One. Based in Bangalore, it has 10 computers for training underprivileged children. Freeware and shareware can play a key role here as well, such as Linux, Apache, Star Office, and iLeap (for Indian language tools). The Mumbai-based site FreeOS.com is attempting to popularise local flavours of Linux in India, among corporates as well as NGOs. Work is being done in India on visual (non-textual) interfaces to the Web, as well as on translating content between English and various Indian languages so as to bridge language and literacy gaps. Non-resident Indians successful in Silicon Valley are plowing money and expertise back into IT ventures in their home country. For instance, B.V. Jagadeesh, CTO of Web hosting pioneer Exodus Communications, has invested angel funds in Bangalore-based iEnablers.net, which is launching a low cost email reading device called iConnect. "The future is in networking. NGOs need to actively work towards making their voices heard in cyberspace," Chacko urged. "There is no doubt at all the Net has been invaluable in assisting communities which are vulnerable and have been victimised," said Manchin Hangzo, based at the Bangalore office of ActionAid (www.actionaidindia.org). "We found that AIDS patients were able to uncover a lot of useful information online and get in touch with support groups via the Net. The relative anonymity of the Net can also help rape victims come out and talk about their problems and find help and resource organisations online," she said. In addition to relief for such marginalised groups, the Net can also play an important role in nurturing local communities, especially in rural areas. Across the world, conferences like the recent Global Community Networking summit in Barcelona (www.gcn2000.org) have focused on the intersection between the global economy and local communities via telecentres and community access points. "It is important for us to benchmark regional knowledge-driven initiatives," said Aditya Dev Sood, a graduate student at the University of Chicago and founder of the Bangalore Centre for Knowledge Societies (www.socsci.org). Various hardware and mediation options are emerging for local Internet access, said Sood, such as low-cost e-kiosks (or e-iosks) and simple devices like loudspeakers to disseminate online messages. Loudspeakers are used at the telecentres of the M.S. Swaminathan Research Foundation in Pondicheery, south India, to broadcast downloaded weather alerts to fishermen; other volunteer-driven services focus on education, health and basic information services. Many rural telecentre initiatives like the Swaminathan project succeed in bottom-up assessment of information needs, but have very high costs, minimal returns, and long gestation periods. The Swaminathan project is also difficult to scale up, hard to replicate in other regions, and susceptible to political issues (such as caste conflicts), said Sood. Effective rural IT projects will fall somewhere between these two ends of the spectrum (kiosks and telecentres), according to Sood. Other telecentre projects are emerging in Warana (Maharashtra), Madurai (Tamil Nadu), Dhar (Madhya Pradesh), and Bihar. "In rural areas, it would appear that land-owning groups will be the first to acquire and harness IT. The new entrants to the IT revolution will come from this class," Sood said. Areas ripe for harnessing with rural IT include teleworking and bio-technology projects. Sood called for more consensus between NGOs, private and public sectors on IT initiatives. "Many government projects are being undertaken in an undemocratic and non-transparent manner, without full disclosure of details or rationale," Sood observed. The Right to Information Act, even when passed, must be implemented in full spirit, he urged. "While the state and corporate sector have begun working together to build telecom infrastructure, these efforts will not significantly improve the lives of rural citizen-consumers unless the NGO sector -- particularly grass-roots NGOs -- begin addressing the challenge and possibilities of IT and the Net," Sood said. "Given its mix of good IT skills and yet poor human development indices, India has a lot of responsibility towards the rest of the developing world in exploring such new IT frontiers," said Sood. The Bellandur village administration (just outside Bangalore) is a good example of a village which has computerised its operations, according to Vinay Baindur of local NGO CIVIC. At a time when over 100 FM radio licenses have been issued in the country, commercial and community radio can help overcome the "last mile" problem by facilitating Internet access via facilities at the radio station. Elsewhere in South Asia, a rural community initiative in Kothmale in Sri Lanka uses community radio as a bridging device to facilitate online information flow to rural communities; sites like InterWorldRadio.org also provide online content for use by radio stations. Bangalore-based media advocacy NGO Voices demonstrated a radio-station-in-a-suitcase. "We must explore synergies between the Net and community radio," urged Ashish Sen, director of Voices. Voices has been using this technology in its community radio training initiatives in Kannakkapura in partnership with the Shree Ramanna Makharishi Academy of the Blind (SRMAB) and in Kolar in partnership with MYRADA. A community Net programme is also planned for persons with disabilities in the Kannakkapura area. All those involved and affected by IT projects must critically question and assess technology at each stage, said Deepa Krishnan, a consultant at Tata Infotech (www.tatainfotech.com). "In many cases, existing stereotypes of learned behaviour - such as gender attitudes - get carried over to the online medium as well. We should also be careful of blindly following practices in other countries like the U.S., or of repeating some of the mistakes made with other media like radio and TV," she said. She also questioned whether the M.S. Swaminathan Foundation's telecentre projects were sustainable, and whether they were really empowering the local communities. Resources for digitisation, data entry, computer literacy, and direct access to technology (without interfering middlemen) can become key concerns in rural IT, said Krishnan. "It seems to be the case that you first need to create some social change in order to let IT create further social change," Krishnan observed. "Empowerment means different things to different people, and one must be careful with broad generalisations," she cautioned. Different technologies have different strengths and weaknesses, and need to be harnessed appropriately. "The Net can help NGOs in communicating across borders and time zones, and also assist in coordinating projects. NGO Web sites can give their funders direct access to accounting and activity information," said K. Gurumurthy, consultant at e-finance services company iFlexSolutions.com (formerly called CITIL). Successful and timely project management for IT ventures will be key concerns for NGOs, he said. Everybody is entering villages today with computers - companies, government agencies, research groups, and NGOs, observed Sunil Abraham of Bangalore-based Web solutions firm IndiaCares.org, which designs Web sites for NGOs free of cost. "But I don't think we should expect the Net to overcome centuries of oppressive politics," he said. "We should be looking at creating 'village Intranets' which leverage systems like micro-credit and local online currencies to sustain the local economy. National currencies like the rupee should be used only to interface with the economy outside the village for e-commerce," Abraham suggested. Multiple banks and barter systems can also be set up for different communities - like women, Dalits. This way, the village economy has a way of shielding itself from the turbulence of global financial markets, he said. Village Intranets can serve added functions via documenting the activity of their elected officials, thus facilitating transparency and accountability. While providing local training in IT skills will entail significant resources, several experiments (like NIIT's observation of learned surfing behaviour among slum kids) show that many of these skills can be refined hands-on. Device and costs need to come down; donations of older and used PCs by Indian corporates and software companies could play a significant role here. "Unfortunately, because of legal loopholes, the Software Technology Parks of India are not allowed to donate their older machines to NGOs. This needs to be changed," Abraham urged. Organisations like WorldComputerExchange.org are playing a prominent role in this regard, by re-circulating used PCs. As for citizens' rights to information, the Net can be a democraticising medium, said Bangalore-based advocate Lawrence Liang, who runs a law site called IndiaLawInfo.com. Numerous online initiatives around the world - in countries like Iceland, Italy, Spain and Sweden -- are empowering citizens with access to basic information about health, social amenities, and government policymaking. On the flip side, e-surveillance by private and government agencies is also increasing, Liang cautioned. Legislation like the IT Act 2000 and the upcoming Convergence Bill are geared more towards e-commerce activities, and not towards social movements or citizens rights. "The IT Act 2000 requires a huge bureaucracy to support features like digital certificates and digital signatures," Liang added. Much hope has been raised over the potential of using the Net for distance education in India. "But we must not assume that the more information we have and the faster we can access it, the better it is," cautioned Veda Mohan, manager at the SchoolNet project for networked learning (www.schoolnetindia.com). "We must creatively explore how the Net may assist the development of multiple intelligencies in logic, language, spatial reasoning, art, kinesthetics, and intra/inter personal areas," she said. New kinds of curriculum, pedagogy and assessment will be required for online learning, Mohan said. SchoolNet is currently working with ten government schools on such initiatives. "We also need to harness Indian examples and contexts. For instance, the art of kolam (rangoli) can be a good tool for teaching mathematical concepts," she said. SchoolNet designs XML-based course material (for Web and CD-ROM) in conjunction with publishing houses like MacMillan and Oxford. Other notable NGO resources online include BytesForAll.org, Child Relief and You (www.cry.org), CauseAnAffect.org, DigitalDivide.org, India Network Foundation (www.indnet.org), and Jiva (www.jiva.org). But in many NGOs, there are people resistant to the introduction and adoption of IT. "NGOs should remain dedicated to the issue of empowerment by multiple means, and not act as new middlemen who deny their constituencies the potential benefits of IT," cautioned Munira Sen of Madhyam. NGOs must work towards giving people an informed choice with respect to new media, she concluded. >>>>>>>>> The writer can be reached at madanr@microland.net ------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 17:41:39 2000 Received: from nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.60]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 666584A091 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8180 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2000 01:41:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20001214014102.8179.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.60 by nwcst315 for [202.9.165.85] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.4B.01) on Thu Dec 14 01:41:02 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Dec 00 18:41:02 MST From: harish kashyap To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: slow boot X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4B.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200012/111 X-Sequence-Number: 850 Hello everybody, I have a problem while booting linux.Its become slow due to the follwing errors while booting. hdc:no response(status=3D0xa1),resetting drive hdc:no response(status=3D0xa1),resetting drive hdd:no response(status=3D0xa1),resetting drive hdd:no response(status=3D0xa1),resetting drive Also segmentation fault is generated when system halts. Please help, Harish Kashyap K harish_kashyap@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D1 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 19:01:43 2000 Received: from mnmail1.HONEYWELL.COM (mnmail1.honeywell.com [129.30.244.30]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9824A0F2 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:01:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ie10-sahara.hiso.honeywell.com ([204.220.169.46]) by mnmail1.HONEYWELL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YQ2KHMS0; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:01:14 -0600 Received: by ie10-sahara.hiso.honeywell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:30:01 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Kondaiah (IE10)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: slow boot Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:30:13 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200012/112 X-Sequence-Number: 851 Try to format the harddisk and load the linux from linux loadble floppy(This is easy way).Check it whether you are using proper bzImage or not?? Thanks, Kondaiah Dasari > -----Original Message----- > From: harish kashyap [SMTP:harish_kashyap@usa.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 7:11 AM > To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org > Subject: [LIG] slow boot > > Hello everybody, > I have a problem while booting linux.Its become slow due to the follwing > errors while booting. > hdc:no response(status=0xa1),resetting drive > hdc:no response(status=0xa1),resetting drive > hdd:no response(status=0xa1),resetting drive > hdd:no response(status=0xa1),resetting drive > > Also segmentation fault is generated when system halts. > Please help, > Harish Kashyap K > harish_kashyap@usa.net > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ---------------------------------------------- > An alpha version of a web based tool to manage > your subscription with this mailing list is at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 20:17:52 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1463A49F62 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBE4DN615515 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:43:23 +0530 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:43:23 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Message-ID: <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com>; from binand@bombay.retortsoft.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 02:03:01AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/113 X-Sequence-Number: 852 Binand Raj S rearranged electrons thusly: > This page has only javascript. My browser does not support them. > What sort of basic linux skills are you giving? "How to make money fast by pretending to teach linux" What bets that the guy who posted this is an employee of that company? ;) Either way, he seems to have crossposted this to at least half a dozen linux lists - if the moderators are interested in having a small chat with him, it'd be good, imho --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 20:32:53 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D1449F4D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from amarg@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19994 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:25 +0530 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:25 +0530 From: Amarendra GODBOLE To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Message-ID: <20001214100525.B19422@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com>; from mallet@efn.org on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 09:43:23AM +0530 X-Quote: "If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you." X-Friends: Shailesh, Shantanu, Sameer, Prachi, Dinesh, Sujeet. X-Home: www.crosswinds.net/~amargod X-Organisation: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd., Powai, Mumbai. INDIA. X-Archive-Number: 200012/114 X-Sequence-Number: 853 On Thu, Dec 14, 2000, the greycells of Suresh Ramasubramanian expressed: > Binand Raj S rearranged electrons thusly: > > > This page has only javascript. My browser does not support them. > > What sort of basic linux skills are you giving? > > "How to make money fast by pretending to teach linux" > What bets that the guy who posted this is an employee of that company? ;) Agree with Suresh ;) One thing I am still unclear of, are outsiders allowed to post to this list ? or is ti open only to the members ? > > Either way, he seems to have crossposted this to at least half a dozen linux > lists - if the moderators are interested in having a small chat with him, it'd > be good, imho > > --suresh -amar- -- Amarendra GODBOLE 18.97 deg. N / 72.83 deg. E +0530 GMT From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 13 21:21:20 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A044A101 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBE5GMA15733 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:46:22 +0530 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:46:22 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Message-ID: <20001214104622.B15698@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com> <20001214100525.B19422@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001214100525.B19422@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com>; from amarg@bombay.retortsoft.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:05:25AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/115 X-Sequence-Number: 854 Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: > Agree with Suresh ;) One thing I am still unclear of, are outsiders allowed to > post to this list ? or is ti open only to the members ? AFAIK, the LI-* lists are all closed to members-only. So is the Bangalore Linux User Group -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 00:23:45 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D486D4A09E for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com [192.168.100.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26871 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:57:32 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02549 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:47:54 +0530 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:47:53 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: Linux India General Subject: [OT] Red Hat in India Message-ID: <20001214134753.A2316@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: Linux India General Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/116 X-Sequence-Number: 855 Hi, This came in Under the Brim - the Red Hat newsletter for registered RHL users. Seems after SuSE, it is Red Hat's turn. Binand ----------------------------------------- RED HAT EXPANDS INTO INDIA Red Hat has joined forces with Clover Technologies Pvt Limited to open Red Hat India Pvt Limited. This joint venture will deliver Red Hat software, support, and services to customers in India. Get more info: http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDUYEIpgHgKFIhtIHRDkLmhkmlhMmDJhtE0EC ---------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 05:37:54 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9705649F47 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay (PPP-177-145.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.177.145]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BED6206 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:59:20 +0530 (IST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001214185600.01efc4f0@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:56:38 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: Fwd: Linux Testimonials and TCO studies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/117 X-Sequence-Number: 856 >Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:44:57 -0500 >From: "Stephen D. Williams" >Organization: Insta.com, Inc. >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-3 i686) >Subject: Linux Testimonials and TCO studies > > >Testimonials: > >http://dcb.sun.com/practices/casestudies/omahasteaks_part1.jsp >http://www.zdnet.com/talkback/201_22123_94095.html >http://www.zdnet.com/talkback/201_22123_93041.html >http://www.zdnet.com/talkback/201_22123_95858.html >http://www.zdnet.com/talkback/201_22123_94056.html >http://www.penguincomputing.com/about/customer_room.php >http://www.redhat.com/about/2000/press_etoys.html >http://www.redhat.com/about/2000/press_kenwood.html > > >Total Cost of Ownership and related articles: > >http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html >http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/ >http://www.redhat.com/about/2000/press_networkmag.html >http://www.gartnerweb.com/public/static/hotc/hc00091281.html >http://gnet.dhs.org/stories/bloor.php3 >http://www.info-sec.com/OSsec/OSsec_080498g_j.shtml >http://www.jimmo.com/Linux-NT_Debate/_Cost_Comparison.html >http://www.hinterlands.f9.co.uk/linuxmyths.html -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) God is silent. Now if we can only get Man to shut up. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 06:00:39 2000 Received: from jace (unknown [210.212.160.39]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155614A01C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from jace by jace with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 146Yoz-0000J3-00 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:23:21 +0530 Subject: Evolution From: Kiran Jonnalagadda To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 0.6 (Developer Preview) Date: 14 Dec 2000 08:23:21 -0530 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Archive-Number: 200012/118 X-Sequence-Number: 857 Hello gang, I'm using Evolution! It was a major download (20 MB) and apt got confused about what versions of packages to install, but the process overall has been painless. Evolution is still incomplete and buggy, but very much usable. I'm planning to make it my primary mail client for a while to see how long it'll last. If you don't mind the download, give Evo a shot. Helix has very nice packages up for download at http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/evolution/distributions -- Kiran Jonnalagadda www.radiolink.net/jace baby.sh: while true; do echo "^G^G^G^G^G"; sed -e 's/food/poop/'; sync; sync; sleep 15; done From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 10:05:42 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52724A03A for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEHuj327065 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KKWD01.P48; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3A390BCC.AB05A67E@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:00 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: vkdhawale@vsnl.com Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/119 X-Sequence-Number: 858 Vikrant Dhawale proclaimed: > This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions > http://www.pioneerbizz.com/ > > Free Online Tutorials - linux - basic skills, programming, administration > http://www.freeskills.com Vikrant, !. You have sent unsolicited commercial email (UCE) to a number of mailing lists. This is considered to be spam. Our representatives will be getting in touch with VSNL and your webhosting provier to ask them to shut you down. Both your ISP and VSNL have strict policies about shutting down spammers. 2. You sent your spam to the Linux India General mailing list. The LIG mailing list policy requires commercial emails to be prefixed on the subject line with the word 'COMMERCIAL'. You have broken this rule also. You are being banned from the LIG mailing lists. List Admin -- "This is a very, very proud day for us! Especially me, your father, me, beat City Hall! It's just like David and Goliath, only this time, David won!" -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 10:06:31 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D494A12E for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBEHvc327294 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5KKXE01.X7U for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3A390BF2.F3B4A0B2@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:05:38 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com> <20001214100525.B19422@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001214104622.B15698@oyeindia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/120 X-Sequence-Number: 859 Suresh Ramasubramanian proclaimed: > Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: > > Agree with Suresh ;) One thing I am still unclear of, are outsiders allowed to > > post to this list ? or is ti open only to the members ? > AFAIK, the LI-* lists are all closed to members-only. So is the Bangalore > Linux User Group LIG is open (except for the spam filters and the watch list). All other lists are closed. Thaths -- "This is a very, very proud day for us! Especially me, your father, me, beat City Hall! It's just like David and Goliath, only this time, David won!" -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 18:37:39 2000 Received: from www.aunet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEFD44A00C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cantor.morelinux.net (cantor.morelinux.net [203.197.87.98]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264D14A105 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from morelinux.com ([192.168.1.66]) by cantor.morelinux.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24887 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:11:27 +0530 Message-ID: <3A3857DD.1F769E3F@morelinux.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:47:17 +0530 From: ambarish pathak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <20001214020301.A1605@bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001214094323.F15463@oyeindia.com> <20001214100525.B19422@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/121 X-Sequence-Number: 860 > are outsiders allowed to post to this list? > or is ti open only to members? even if its open to only members, nothing deters anyone from doin a subscribe-post-unsubscribe. ;) From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 14 20:47:25 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85FB4A04C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBF4gjO20083 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:12:45 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:12:45 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OT] [LINK] This ISP co. from Hyderabad is providing linux-based solutions Message-ID: <20001215101245.H19801@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <000f01c0652f$d37803a0$6d5f36ca@default> <3A390BCC.AB05A67E@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A390BCC.AB05A67E@netscape.com>; from thaths@netscape.com on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:05:00AM -0800 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/122 X-Sequence-Number: 861 Sudhakar Chandra rearranged electrons thusly: > !. You have sent unsolicited commercial email (UCE) to a number of mailing > lists. This is considered to be spam. Our representatives will be getting has it been done, or do I have to do it? i dont have that post with me right now ... (accidentally deleted it) ;) oh, and ask whoever does it to complain to the hyderabad based isp pioneer online for trying this stunt - pioneerbizz.com is registered to them ... -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 01:04:40 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC62A4A042; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from amarg@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04990; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:36:26 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:36:26 +0530 From: Amarendra GODBOLE To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org Cc: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Message-ID: <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <20001215055917.7175.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from narain.cr@tatainfotech.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:13:45PM +0530 X-Quote: "If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you." X-Friends: Shailesh, Shantanu, Sameer, Prachi, Dinesh, Sujeet. X-Home: www.crosswinds.net/~amargod X-Organisation: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd., Powai, Mumbai. INDIA. X-Archive-Number: 200012/123 X-Sequence-Number: 862 On Fri, Dec 15, 2000, the greycells of Narain CR expressed: > Hi there, > > The standard FTP service (if enabled) is also a good way to know the > system type... > > [narain@dracula narain]$ ftp matrix > Connected to matrix. > 220 matrix.in.tatainfotech.com FTP server (Version wu-2.4.2-academ > [BETA-18](1) Mon Aug 3 19:17:20 EDT 1998) ready. > Name (matrix:narain): > 331 Password required for narain. > Password: > 530 Login incorrect. > Login failed. > Remote system type is UNIX. > Using binary mode to transfer files. ########################################################################### Hi Narain, Well, this has nothing to do with what this thread is. I wish to make a point here. Please do not use REAL names, or rather REAL transcripts of your FTP sessions. Might prove a major security hazard for your organisation. Also, check if your company's security policies allow you to represent real server names, user ids. etc.. What I mean to say that, please do not make your organisation vulnerable to any of the CRACKING attacks. I apologize for being OT on this LIP list. Folloups to be posted to LIG, (that list seems feasible to me). I am crossposting it to LIG also. Cheers, -amar- -- Amarendra GODBOLE (http://ag.dnsq.org) Public Key: http://pubkey.dnsq.org 18.97 deg. N / 72.83 deg. E +0530 GMT From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 01:35:58 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D24C4A011; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBF9VPn21509; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:01:25 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:01:25 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Message-ID: <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001215055917.7175.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com>; from amarg@bombay.retortsoft.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:36:26PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/124 X-Sequence-Number: 863 Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: > Please do not use REAL names, or rather REAL transcripts of your FTP sessions. > Might prove a major security hazard for your organisation. Also, check if > your company's security policies allow you to represent real server names, > user ids. etc.. security by obscurity in short ;) it's trivial to find out that tatainfotech.co.in has a host called matrix ... and that matrix is running an ftp server (try running nmap there) Oh btw, _dont_ run an ftp server (least of all, wu-ftpd from the redhat rpm) on a public IP, accessible to everybody. There are several nasty holes in there. Switch to proftpd (or better, remove ftp, telnet and switch to rsync and ssh) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 02:33:04 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3144A0FF; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com [192.168.100.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08002; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:03:30 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01556; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:53:44 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:53:43 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Message-ID: <20001215155343.A638@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001215055917.7175.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com>; from mallet@efn.org on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 03:01:25PM +0530 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/125 X-Sequence-Number: 864 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Suresh Ramasubramanian forced the electrons to say: > Oh btw, _dont_ run an ftp server (least of all, wu-ftpd from the redhat rpm) > on a public IP, accessible to everybody. There are several nasty holes in > there. Switch to proftpd (or better, remove ftp, telnet and switch to rsync > and ssh) I have been experimenting with the Linux port of OpenBSD's FTP server. Seems to me is quite robust and stable - and secure, given their extensive code audits. Find the port on freshmeat. Binand -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6OfEpGXtiwttetWoRAhKkAJ9WzVGLDAbLG21qBx07AMMf8xr2ogCeN1zC BphKX4KyjUq4UOBK7BsTfX4= =l+n3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 07:18:19 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6D249F5F; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.linux-delhi.org by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id UAA0000004634; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:44:03 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by mail.linux-delhi.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02070; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:45:28 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14906.13712.819615.67594@localhost.localdomain> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:45:28 +0530 (IST) To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... In-Reply-To: <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> References: <20001215055917.7175.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/126 X-Sequence-Number: 865 Nah, don't bother with running nmap, you may get caught. Just use nslookup to list out all the domains using one of TIL's DNS servers. Yes, they permit zone transfers from unauthorised hosts. No, they're not the only ones -- 80% of the ISP's I tried zone transfers and other stuff on happily gave me their IP's, their dial-up IP's, public SNMP responses from their routers, fingers on their RAS's, the works. I guess it won't take more than an hour or so to get r00t on any of their servers either. Security? What's that? /me's clue-o-meter reads below zero. Regards, -- Raju >>>>> "Suresh" == Suresh Ramasubramanian writes: Suresh> Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: >> Please do not use REAL names, or rather REAL transcripts of >> your FTP sessions. Might prove a major security hazard for >> your organisation. Also, check if your company's security >> policies allow you to represent real server names, user >> ids. etc.. Suresh> security by obscurity in short ;) it's trivial to find Suresh> out that tatainfotech.co.in has a host called matrix Suresh> ... and that matrix is running an ftp server (try running Suresh> nmap there) Suresh> Oh btw, _dont_ run an ftp server (least of all, wu-ftpd Suresh> from the redhat rpm) on a public IP, accessible to Suresh> everybody. There are several nasty holes in there. Suresh> Switch to proftpd (or better, remove ftp, telnet and Suresh> switch to rsync and ssh) -- Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 07:25:17 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2A34A0E8; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBFFKik23464; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:50:44 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:50:43 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Message-ID: <20001215205043.B23454@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001215055917.7175.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> <20001215143626.A4761@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> <14906.13712.819615.67594@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14906.13712.819615.67594@localhost.localdomain>; from raju@linux-delhi.org on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:45:28PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/127 X-Sequence-Number: 866 Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: > Nah, don't bother with running nmap, you may get caught. Just use > nslookup to list out all the domains using one of TIL's DNS servers. > Yes, they permit zone transfers from unauthorised hosts. No, they're not all do. and nmap also lists open ports. > I guess it won't take more than an hour or so to get r00t on any of > their servers either. ... using readymade rootkits, far less, I expect. Especially as the hacks to get into default deadrat^W redhat setups are quite well documented. _Especially_ if they have configured sendmail etc with linuxconf (and left linuxconf open to all). > Security? What's that? > /me's clue-o-meter reads below zero. If they are running such misconfigured boxes, I have rather strong suspicions that their server logs are read by one Mr.Dave Null (aka /dev/null), most of the time. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 08:49:32 2000 Received: from brelay.tatainfotech.com (unknown [202.54.39.145]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286414A01D; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from blrmail.in.tatainfotech.com (blrmail [163.122.1.1]) by brelay.tatainfotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03666; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:25:27 +0530 Received: from localhost (narain.cr@localhost) by blrmail.in.tatainfotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19642; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:32:21 +0530 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:32:21 +0530 (IST) From: Narain CR X-Sender: narain.cr@blrmail.in.tatainfotech.com Cc: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... In-Reply-To: <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/128 X-Sequence-Number: 867 Thanx very much Suresh / Amarendra, I really appreciate the concern and I guess we should all be more aware of these issues. The machine I have mentioned (matrix) is NOT a server and is NOT accessible from outside of the company network and that is the only reason why I pasted the whole transcript without making any modifications to the list. For the servers (SunOS etc, I had cut out the appropriate parts...). Thanks once again for pointing it out to me / us. Regards, Narain. On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: > Please do not use REAL names, or rather REAL transcripts of your FTP sessions. > Might prove a major security hazard for your organisation. Also, check if > your company's security policies allow you to represent real server names, > user ids. etc.. security by obscurity in short ;) it's trivial to find out that tatainfotech.co.in has a host called matrix ... and that matrix is running an ftp server (try running nmap there) Oh btw, _dont_ run an ftp server (least of all, wu-ftpd from the redhat rpm) on a public IP, accessible to everybody. There are several nasty holes in there. Switch to proftpd (or better, remove ftp, telnet and switch to rsync and ssh) From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 21:35:33 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A9C4A0E7; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBG5ULb00798; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:00:21 +0530 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:00:21 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Message-ID: <20001216110021.A792@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001215150125.B21500@oyeindia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from narain.cr@tatainfotech.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:32:21PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/129 X-Sequence-Number: 868 Narain CR rearranged electrons thusly: > why I pasted the whole transcript without making any modifications to the > list. For the servers (SunOS etc, I had cut out the appropriate parts...). cutting out the appropriate parts is a waste of time when anyone can AXFR the whole list from your dns servers (or run nmap and portscan your network) securing your machines on public IPs is a better option (_especially solaris, which needs several dozen patch kits from the original) ;) --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 21:52:28 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4C64A01D for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.156]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:17:25 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: NEWS-INDIA: Crack complex science problems with home PCs: Indian American Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:57:47 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0012151258081A.00525@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/130 X-Sequence-Number: 869 Crack complex science problems with home PCs: Indian American By Ela Dutt, India Abroad News Service New York, Dec 13 - An Indian American academic at Stanford, along with one of his graduate students, has proved that people using their home computers can help scientists solve complex mathematical problems. Vijay Pande, assistant professor of chemistry at Stanford, and his student Michael Shirts explain as much in their article on "distributed computing," published in the latest issue of the reputed journal Science. "A handful of projects have already demonstrated how such large-scale distributed computing power can be utilized," writes Pande. This method of computing has already become an invaluable and inexpensive tool for astronomists, biochemists and other scientists. One example Pande uses to prove his point is SETI@home, a Berkeley-based system now being used by some half a million home computer users to help in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). By downloading SETI software and screensaver, these home computers can constantly process radio signals and deliver the results to the Berkeley headquarters. "This large number of processors dwarfs even the largest supercomputers," say Shirts and Pande. In just three years, this system has done what a single computer would have taken 400,000 years to do, they contend. "There are at least 300 million personal computers on the Internet," Pande and Shirts point out, and 90 percent of all PC processing time is wasted, an untapped reservoir of computing power worldwide. According to their estimates, even if only half of all current PCs with an Internet connection participated in distributed computing, the capacity could accomplish 300 SETI-sized projects. "Perhaps the most exciting possibility, however, is in the biological realm," say the authors. "In the last few years, the huge amount of raw scientific data generated by molecular biology, structural biology and genomics has outstripped the analytical capabilities of modern computers," they write. Pande told the Stanford news, "The exciting thing about distributed computing right now is that there are a lot of interesting biological questions that are at the moment too difficult for single computers," for example protein folding, on which Pande and his laboratory team have done extensive research. About two months ago, Pande launched Folding@home, an Internet program to calculate how proteins reach their three-dimensional shape. Pande and his team have some 10,000 volunteers already. But it is not enough to have the volunteers or the computers, Pande emphasizes, "It's like giving someone 100,000 secretaries," he says, adding "What you need is a way to organize these guys and come up with ways that you could actually use all the secretaries. Otherwise, you end up wasting them." Volunteers have to be willing to put in the labor however, he warns. At the same time, it gives ordinary science buffs or others access to science as never before. "The involvement of hundreds of thousands of nonscientists in research opens the door to new means of science education and outreach, in which the public becomes an active participant," they contend. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 22:55:52 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037CD4A08D for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from amarg@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31662 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:25:00 +0530 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:25:00 +0530 From: Amarendra GODBOLE To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine....] Message-ID: <20001216122500.A31310@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> References: <20001216172655.B2491440@ecr.mu.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001216172655.B2491440@ecr.mu.oz.au>; from rsubr@ecr.mu.oz.au on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 05:26:55PM +1100 X-Quote: "If you don't try to succeed, nobody will try to stop you." X-Friends: Shailesh, Shantanu, Sameer, Prachi, Dinesh, Sujeet. X-Home: www.crosswinds.net/~amargod X-Organisation: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd., Powai, Mumbai. INDIA. X-Archive-Number: 200012/131 X-Sequence-Number: 870 On Sat, Dec 16, 2000, the greycells of Raja Subramanian expressed: > Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote (mallet@efn.org): > > > Raju Mathur rearranged electrons thusly: > > > > > Nah, don't bother with running nmap, you may get caught. Just use > > > > not all do. and nmap also lists open ports. > > > > There seems to be a wave of posts recommending/suggesting port scanning > someone else's machine to figure what it is running. None of the posters > seemed to have indicated the dangers involved in port scans. > > Port scanning is unethical! Any concerned sysadmin will regard a port scan as > a hacker/cracker trying to identify weakness' in the system (nomatter how > innocent your intentions may be). Most machines may even add you to the > hosts.deny list automagically if it detects a port scan. See, if a sysadmin does not want his server to be vulnerable, it is his responsibility to secure it. If he does not do that, something is bound to happen some other day, and he is to be blamed for it. Try running a portscan on yahoo, or microsoft servers, nearly ALL scans are blocked. > > Worse still, if you are doing this on your employers machines, be ready to > lose your job. > > In general there are several things that a computer system cannot prevent you > from doing - eg. port scanning, packet sniffing, etc - and you might be able > to do these things. This does not mean that you are allowed to do them. And > the more you learn, the more things you can do... and more reasons to remember > this simple rule. If unethical things are not done, everyone is very straightforward, why the hell would someone be concerned about security. Both, the crackers as well as the people trying to prevent them are dependent on each other. > > I still have my doubts when someone wants to find out what OS an alien > computer is running. Why would you want to know that?? The motive of a cracker is well known, and the motive of a !cracker might me any. Say to check out if the server is properly secured or not, the vulnerabilities, etc.. Portscanning is THE way to test your security policies properly. Afterall, you should know HOW effective your firewall is. If you browse thru any firewalling mail lists concerned with Linux, you will find 'nmap'(http://www.insecure.org) listed as the BEST benchmarking tool. The BOTTOMLINE is that, it is YOUR responsibility to secure your server, and make it as secure as possible. P.S. : Many of Indian sites are very vulnerable. Security policies are not proper. I do not disclose their names here. This mail is OT, and I am posting it to LIG. Followups there. -- Amarendra GODBOLE (http://ag.dnsq.org) Public Key: http://pubkey.dnsq.org 18.97 deg. N / 72.83 deg. E +0530 GMT From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 15 23:27:13 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B924A209 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBG7Lkd01256 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:51:46 +0530 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:51:45 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine....] Message-ID: <20001216125145.B1247@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001216172655.B2491440@ecr.mu.oz.au> <20001216122500.A31310@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001216122500.A31310@alice.bombay.retortsoft.com>; from amarg@bombay.retortsoft.com on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:25:00PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Archive-Number: 200012/132 X-Sequence-Number: 871 Amarendra GODBOLE rearranged electrons thusly: > Try running a portscan on yahoo, or microsoft servers, nearly ALL scans are > blocked. dont try it - or you'll get your ip space blocked / complaints sent to your ISP - especially not yahoo, after those DDoS attacks they faced recently > If unethical things are not done, everyone is very straightforward, why the > hell would someone be concerned about security. Both, the crackers as well as > the people trying to prevent them are dependent on each other. If you want to run saint, nmap and such, feel free to run them on your own network! I periodically do this to find out open ports on the servers we control, and disable the open ports / set ipchains rules to restrict access only to certain IPs > Say to check out if the server is properly secured or not, the > vulnerabilities, etc.. if it is not your server, and that remote server has not been probing / spamming your box, do you have any reason to poke at it? ;) > Portscanning is THE way to test your security policies properly. Afterall, you > should know HOW effective your firewall is. test _your_ network, obviously > The BOTTOMLINE is that, it is YOUR responsibility to secure your server, and > make it as secure as possible. correct > P.S. : Many of Indian sites are very vulnerable. Security policies are not > proper. I do not disclose their names here. at least one of them got hacked yesterday ... and tehre are lots more (even ISPs). -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 16 06:21:35 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C166049F4D for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-50.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.50]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04187 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:56:13 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000001c0676c$173bd560$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Subject: Re: Re: [LIP] How to identify a Unix machine.... Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:16:16 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/133 X-Sequence-Number: 872 >Nah, don't bother with running nmap, you may get caught. Just use >nslookup to list out all the domains using one of TIL's DNS servers. nmap half syn attack can not be detected unless kernel is patched to detect ack / syn packets. > >Yes, they permit zone transfers from unauthorised hosts. No, they're >not the only ones -- 80% of the ISP's I tried zone transfers and other >stuff on happily gave me their IP's, their dial-up IP's, public SNMP >responses from their routers, fingers on their RAS's, the works. Some routers have default password of cisco, and yes most routers do bother to ask username also. > >I guess it won't take more than an hour or so to get r00t on any of >their servers either. yes, very true. > >Security? What's that? > >/me's clue-o-meter reads below zero. because the mostly server are managed by mouse clickers only. > >Regards, > >-- Raju > From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 16 12:14:50 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1529349F61 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.23]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:39:59 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: LINKS: Mega-Corps Fawn Over Linux Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:33:02 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: ilug-goa@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121700333209.00528@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/134 X-Sequence-Number: 874 Mega-Corps Fawn Over Linux (Business 2:00 a.m. PST) http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,40585,00.html?tw=wn20001216 While stocks of many Linux companies remain in the doghouse, the open- source platform is getting plenty of support from some of the largest U.S. technology firms. By Joanna Glasner. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 17 07:04:47 2000 Received: from dadel1.now-india.net.in (unknown [203.195.128.65]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5993549F37 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from kajaal.home ([203.195.140.204]) by dadel1.now-india.net.in (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id G5PWF405.G0A for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:31:52 +0530 Received: (qmail 934 invoked by uid 500); 17 Dec 2000 15:27:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 15:27:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:57:29 +0530 (IST) From: Sandip Bhattacharya X-Sender: sandipb@kajaal.home To: The Linux India General Discussion Subject: [OT]how to petition for removing ban on egroups Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/135 X-Sequence-Number: 875 Hi! VSNL has banned mails from egroups.com for quite some time now. Probably because of spamming. Quite thoughtless, i must say, cause probably because of one or two spamming lists on this group, vsnl subscribers can't access probably the largest and one of the useful community sites.(Linux India programmers being one of them) Is there some way that people can petition VSNL on removing this ban? Why don't they take up the issue with egroups for this matter? This probably an indication of the same high-handedness that exists in Government circles in India. Thanks, Sandip P.S. I realise that this is an off-topic message, having nothing to do about Linux. But i wanted to put this here 'coz i feel that i will get the best answers regarding this topic from the subscribers in this group. -- ------------------------------------- Sandip Bhattacharya sandipb @ bigfoot.com ------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 17 09:47:03 2000 Received: from tringtring.com (mail.tringtring.com [202.177.161.152]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1641849FF0 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [210.18.0.202] (HELO blackehlo.efn.org) by tringtring.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 1738586; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:27:27 +0530 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20001217231340.00a00660@pop.efn.org> X-Sender: mallet@pop.efn.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:17:38 +0530 To: The Linux India General From: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: [OT]how to petition for removing ban on egroups In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/136 X-Sequence-Number: 876 At 08:57 PM 12/17/00 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >VSNL has banned mails from egroups.com for quite some time now. Probably >because of spamming. Quite thoughtless, i must say, cause probably because >of one or two spamming lists on this group, vsnl subscribers can't access This is funny - but not surprising. eGroups has had a spam problem for ages, but with vsnl blocking them, it is "pot calling the kettle black" Further, I run a large egroups list, plus am active on a few more. Not seen traces of this so far. However are you sure it is vsnl doing the blocking and not egroups, and perhaps your address is logged as "bouncing" in the egroups list (because of delivery problems etc etc)? If you could post message logs (say your sendmail logs if you dont relay mails through vsnl's smtp server) then we could debug this. Or mail postmaster@egroups.com / support@egroups.com and ask for a clarification. >don't they take up the issue with egroups for this matter? This probably >an indication of the same high-handedness that exists in Government >circles in India. As it is vsnl's network, they have the right to block or allow whatever they choose. Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 17 10:07:49 2000 Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C70A49F63 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO drege.yahoo.com) (61.0.14.88) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 18:06:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001217210655.00a1d1c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: lambysingh@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:10:43 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Harveer Singh Subject: Re: [OT]how to petition for removing ban on egroups In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/137 X-Sequence-Number: 877 Hi, >VSNL has banned mails from egroups.com for quite some time now. Probably >because of spamming. Quite thoughtless, i must say, cause probably because >of one or two spamming lists on this group, vsnl subscribers can't access >probably the largest and one of the useful community sites.(Linux India >programmers being one of them) I don't think that egroups.com has been banned. Just now I received a mail from my group (egroups.com) at my VSNL account. If you are having some problems with the egroups.com mail, please check the status of your egroups.com account first, or shift the egroups.com account to some non-VSNL account. HS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 02:12:27 2000 Received: from unknown-147.101.pilot.net (unknown-147-101.pilot.net [198.232.147.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F1349F62; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-24-15.pilot.net (unknown-24-15.pilot.net [206.189.24.15]) by unknown-147.101.pilot.net with ESMTP id CAA22963; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-24-15.pilot.net with ESMTP id CAA25934; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:46:12 +0530 Message-ID: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E47B71E@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: LIG , LIP Subject: linux and P4 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:46:22 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/138 X-Sequence-Number: 878 for the caught-unawares, like me ! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/15441.html _______________________________________________ Shourya Sarcar || Global Software Platforms gemedicalsystems.com || ge.com || elfun.org livejournal.com/users/sarcar || shourya.com Ring : +91 80 5263121 xt 362 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 04:02:04 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.153]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270D749EFB for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (anil@localhost) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14721 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:34:55 +0530 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:34:55 +0530 (IST) From: Anil Pillai To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Configuring the system to run servlets... In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20001213130548.00b0bd40@202.54.12.17> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/139 X-Sequence-Number: 879 Hi, I would be really grateful if anyone could take the effort to give a step by step explanation of how to deploy tomcat or apachejserv for running servlets on my linux machine. I am using JSDK 2.1 which is in my classpath. I am able to compile the servlet code but not able to get it on browser. Thanking you in advance... Regards, Anil. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 04:31:06 2000 Received: from sce.ac.in (unknown [202.54.71.34]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD7B4A042 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.54.71.40] (account ) by sce.ac.in (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 2897909 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:05:35 +0530 From: "hari " Subject: Internal Modems : To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:05:35 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/140 X-Sequence-Number: 880 Hi Guys Is it possible to Configure Internal Modems in Linux .If so can any body tell me the detailed explanative procedure to do this.I have a HSP 56kpbs internal modem. Hari From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 04:56:57 2000 Received: from unknown-147.101.pilot.net (unknown-147-101.pilot.net [198.232.147.101]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC54A09E for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown-24-15.pilot.net (unknown-24-15.pilot.net [206.189.24.15]) by unknown-147.101.pilot.net with ESMTP id EAA27467 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from new02xbindge.geind.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-24-15.pilot.net with ESMTP id EAA03157 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by new02xbindge.geind.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:30:40 +0530 Message-ID: <4DE51758E7CDD411A78700508B6FEB1E4AE9D0@ban03xbindge.geind.ge.com> From: "Sarcar, Shourya (MED)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: Internal Modems : Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:30:52 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/141 X-Sequence-Number: 881 this sort of question usually goes to LIH anyway, http://mobilix.org/modem_linux.html might help. Also a lot of MODEM HOWTO is available , search google ~Hi Guys ~ ~ ~ Is it possible to Configure Internal Modems in ~Linux . yes. If so can any body tell me the detailed explanative ~procedure to do this.I have a HSP 56kpbs internal modem. could you be a little bit more specific ? HSP stands for Host Signal Processing, iirc make model etc.. ? Regards Shourya From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 04:59:25 2000 Received: from sce.ac.in (unknown [202.54.71.34]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2514A129 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [202.54.71.40] (account ) by sce.ac.in (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 2897947 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:34:13 +0530 From: "hari " Subject: RAM Problem : To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:34:13 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/142 X-Sequence-Number: 882 Hello Sir Iam a novice linux user from India studying 3rd year Comp Science Engg.My friends have a problem under linux regarding RAM. There are some motherboards in which the DIMM's or RAM's may not accurately take the RAM value.For example I have seen many systems in which 64MB RAM 's are placed but OS's do not show proper value. In some of my friend's case if RAM value is 64MB it is shown by windows as 63MB and performance is in par for 63MB but linux shows only 13MB and performance of the machine is only upto 13MB. I Also tried to pass parameters like during installation and after installation and after installation as follows linux mem=64M expert or linux mem=64M But no use. I request you to help me out to solve this problem . Hari From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 06:45:47 2000 Received: from mail7.bigmailbox.com (mail7.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.38]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB2B4A0BD for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: œby mail7.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA26326; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:44:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:44:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200012181444.GAA26326@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [203.109.64.29] From: "dodobh@nettaxi.com" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: RAM Problem : X-Archive-Number: 200012/143 X-Sequence-Number: 883 hari spewed into the ether: >In some of my friend's case if RAM value is 64MB it is >shown by windows as 63MB and performance is in par for 63MB >but linux shows only 13MB and performance of the machine is >only upto 13MB. Do you have an entry in your bios section saying hole (either 14M-15M or 15M-16M, probably the 14M value)? It should be in your PnP devices section, but go through all the options. Change this entry to none. Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Name-Brand stores for the holidays using the Nettaxi StoreRunner! http://shop.storerunner.com/nettaxi/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 06:48:15 2000 Received: from mail7.bigmailbox.com (mail7.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.38]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF78E49F1E for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: œby mail7.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA26623; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:47:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:47:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200012181447.GAA26623@mail7.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [203.109.64.29] From: "dodobh@nettaxi.com" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Oops ( was RE: RAM Problem :) X-Archive-Number: 200012/144 X-Sequence-Number: 884 Oops, I forgot to mention that this should go to LIH, and forgot to redirect my reply there. My apologies Devdas Bhagat ------------------------------------------------------------ Shop Name-Brand stores for the holidays using the Nettaxi StoreRunner! http://shop.storerunner.com/nettaxi/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 08:18:21 2000 Received: from ip.eth.net (punsmtp.ip.eth.net [202.9.128.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE204A00C for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip.eth.net ([61.11.22.5]) by ip.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.467.46); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:46:00 +0530 Message-ID: <3A3E3A38.94A1FBD9@ip.eth.net> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:54:24 +0530 From: A m i t S a t h e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Internal Modems : References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/145 X-Sequence-Number: 885 I think it is almost impossible to configure an internal modem ( known as winmodems) for linux. you could ckeck up www.linmodems.org for drivers that are available for some winmodems ( i think lucent winmodems) Amit hari wrote: > Hi Guys > > Is it possible to Configure Internal Modems in > Linux .If so can any body tell me the detailed explanative > procedure to do this.I have a HSP 56kpbs internal modem. > > Hari > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ -- +---------------------+--------------------------------------------------+ 4 Shraddha Apts 110 | There is no limit to what can be achieved | Mayur colony Kothrud | if it does not matter who gets the credit | Pune 29 Ph : 5440768 | | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 12:06:17 2000 Received: from exchange1.sset.com (exchange1.sset.com [206.216.5.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF444A0F9 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange1.sset.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:05:54 -0800 Message-ID: <51E0CBE218C9D21188F400805F650E1F89C3EE@exchange1.sset.com> From: Nitin Kakkar To: "'linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org'" Subject: Serial port programming question Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:04:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Archive-Number: 200012/146 X-Sequence-Number: 886 Hi I need to write a software which communicates with a hardware on Serial port. It needs to use RTS line at serial port as on/off switch. Thats is before sending characters the software should turn on RTS line and after sending characters it should turn off RTS line. The software will run in user address spece. Can any one please tell me how can I set/reset rts line. I am using kernel 2.0.36, shipped with older RH 5.0. Regards Nitin From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 19:38:33 2000 Received: from mailway.vxl.co.in (unknown [202.54.39.164]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1655A49FF0 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from vayudoot.vxl.co.in by mailway.vxl.co.in id ac25463; 19 Dec 100 9:17 IST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:08:27 +0530 (IST) From: Venkat Hallale To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Configuring the system to run servlets... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/147 X-Sequence-Number: 887 Hi, I think u have to install separate patch for apache to run ur servlets. try to install resin. Have fun Regards Venkat Hallale On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Anil Pillai wrote: > Hi, > I would be really grateful if anyone could take the effort to give a step > by step explanation of how to deploy tomcat or apachejserv for running > servlets on my linux machine. > I am using JSDK 2.1 which is in my classpath. > I am able to compile the servlet code but not able to get it on browser. > Thanking you in advance... > > Regards, > Anil. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 20:34:11 2000 Received: from kar.kar.nic.in (kar.nic.in [164.100.80.2]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9449749F37 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwc-nic (nitpukar [164.100.80.10]) by kar.kar.nic.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14239 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:58:09 +0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <001801c06915$c63585c0$04000005@cwc-nic> From: "bngcecwc" To: Subject: Re: Internal Modems : Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:43:00 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/148 X-Sequence-Number: 888 Somewhere i have read that internal modems that utilise the serial port will have no problem with Linux. Only the latest internal modems running on AMR could pose a problem. Nathan -----Original Message----- From: hari To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 6:31 PM Subject: [LIG] Internal Modems : >Hi Guys > > > Is it possible to Configure Internal Modems in >Linux .If so can any body tell me the detailed explanative >procedure to do this.I have a HSP 56kpbs internal modem. > > > Hari > >---------------------------------------------- >Find out more about this and other Linux India >mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ > From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 18 22:45:27 2000 Received: from mnmail1.HONEYWELL.COM (mnmail1.honeywell.com [129.30.244.30]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C614A44D for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ie10-sahara.hiso.honeywell.com ([204.220.169.46]) by mnmail1.HONEYWELL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id YQ2KHZ4X; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:44:07 -0600 Received: by ie10-sahara.hiso.honeywell.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:12:43 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Kondaiah (IE10)" To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: RE: Configuring the system to run servlets... Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:13:12 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-Archive-Number: 200012/149 X-Sequence-Number: 889 Hi, I think once we are using JSDK2.1 there is no need of ApacheJserv, because each one have their own implementation of classes and interfaces to serve the HTTP servlet requests. If u are able to compile the source code then of the following cloud be the problem. Update the claapath with .jar(java runtime library file) comes with JSDK2.1 and run the servelet engine which will redirect the messages to the Apache webserver. Thanks, Kondaiah > -----Original Message----- > From: Anil Pillai [SMTP:anil@bombay.retortsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:35 PM > To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org > Subject: [LIG] Configuring the system to run servlets... > > Hi, > I would be really grateful if anyone could take the effort to give a step > by step explanation of how to deploy tomcat or apachejserv for running > servlets on my linux machine. > I am using JSDK 2.1 which is in my classpath. > I am able to compile the servlet code but not able to get it on browser. > Thanking you in advance... > > Regards, > Anil. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 19 01:46:58 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A964A0D3 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-63.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.63]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA26442 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:21:40 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <002301c069a1$3c454e40$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Subject: Re: Serial port programming question Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:06:51 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/150 X-Sequence-Number: 890 This should go to linix-india-help. -----Original Message----- From: Nitin Kakkar To: 'linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org' Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:33 AM Subject: [LIG] Serial port programming question >Hi > I need to write a software which communicates with a hardware on Serial >port. It needs to use RTS line at serial port as on/off switch. Thats is >before sending characters the software should turn on RTS line and after >sending characters it should turn off RTS line. The software will run in >user address spece. There are hundreds of ways with which you can do it. what are you using to write your software? you can do it in shell, perl, c, python. You specify your choice and then I will let you know how to do it. > >Can any one please tell me how can I set/reset rts line. >I am using kernel 2.0.36, shipped with older RH 5.0. > >Regards >Nitin > >---------------------------------------------- >The mailing list archives are available at >http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIG From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 19 05:57:03 2000 Received: from cisco.com (cbin2-mail.cisco.com [192.135.246.72]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA34A04D for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cbin2-mira-01.cisco.com (mirapoint@cbin2-mira-01.cisco.com [192.135.246.89]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11537 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:24:33 +0530 (IST) Received: from cisco.com (casanova.cisco.com [64.104.134.26]) by cbin2-mira-01.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AAM13593 (AUTH pankajkr); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:25:58 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3A3F69DE.F586C68A@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:29:58 +0530 From: Pankaj Kr Rathore Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Real time linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/151 X-Sequence-Number: 891 Hi all, Wanted to know if anybody has experience with real time linux implementations. What are the pros and cons etc. Thanks Pankaj -- Pankaj Kr Rathore S/W Engineer Cisco Systems India Ltd. Bangalore +91-80-5321300 6417 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 19 05:59:44 2000 Received: from ip.eth.net (punsmtp.ip.eth.net [202.9.128.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F24A04D for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 05:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip.eth.net ([61.11.23.101]) by ip.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.467.46); Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:26:55 +0530 Message-ID: <3A3F6AC4.9E0B7AC6@ip.eth.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:33:48 +0530 From: A m i t S a t h e X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LINUX INDIA GENERAL LIST Subject: Library error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/152 X-Sequence-Number: 892 When i try to run javac it gives the error : /usr/lib/kaffe/kaffe/ error while loading shared libraries ; libgmp.so.2 cannot open shared object file : No such file or directory. however the file exists under /usr/lib as a symbolic link to libgmp.so.2.0.2 ie libgmp.so --> libgmp.so.2 and libgmp.so.2 -- > libgmp.so.2.0.2. Is something wrong? thanks amit From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 19 18:38:20 2000 Received: from nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.60]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A6F14A13D for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22004 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2000 02:37:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20001220023719.22003.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.60 by nwcst315 for [202.9.165.126] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.4B.01) on Wed Dec 20 02:37:19 GMT 2000 Date: 19 Dec 00 19:37:19 MST From: harish kashyap To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: unrecognised hardware X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4B.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200012/153 X-Sequence-Number: 893 Hi everybody, My linux system boots too slowly due to the following errors: hdc:not found(status=3D0xa1):resetting drive hdd:not found(status-=3D0xa1):resetting drive please rectify.i have only a 8gb harddisk with 4gb linux. thanks, harish kashyap=20 harish_kashyap@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D1 From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 19 22:33:46 2000 Received: from smtp5.mail.yahoo.com (smtp5.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.69.102]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 584104A10D for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial-122-161.dial.indiana.edu (HELO 0021395148.yahoo.com) (156.56.122.161) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 06:32:44 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001220012003.00a61310@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: asthana_aseem@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:22:06 -0500 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Aseem Asthana Subject: Root FS RW In-Reply-To: <20001220023719.22003.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/154 X-Sequence-Number: 894 Hello Everyone, I was wondering if Linux needs to have the root FS mounted in RW mode. The reason that I am interested in this is that I want to boot from the CD. Any pointers on how that can be done?? Thanks, Aseem. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 20 19:56:05 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347244A0DF for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-80.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.80]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27198 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:30:55 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000001c06b02$908f7040$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: Subject: Re: Root FS RW Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:33:24 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/155 X-Sequence-Number: 895 No root fs need not be rw, In fact i have cut my own cdrom which has all the linux up to shell prompt. It does not require hard disk also and runs a few applications. You will have to hack some files. Regards, Mukund Deshmukh Beta Computronics Pvt. Ltd. Web Site - www.betacomp.com -----Original Message----- From: Aseem Asthana To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: [LIG] Root FS RW >Hello Everyone, > >I was wondering if Linux needs to have the root FS mounted in RW mode. The >reason that I am interested in this is that I want to boot from the CD. Any >pointers on how that can be done?? > >Thanks, > >Aseem. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >---------------------------------------------- >LIG is all for free speech. But it was created >for a purpose. Violations of the rules of >this list will result in stern action. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 01:10:50 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704A649F45 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02531; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:49:45 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:49:45 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/156 X-Sequence-Number: 896 LIST OF E-VERSIONS OF BOOKS (whose copyright is over). (Most of the titles given below have been voluntarily typed by a retired railway locomotive driver: Shree Balaram J. Rathore of Ratlam.) AUTHOR : Kabeer TITLE : Kabeer ke Dohe DEVELOPERS : Ratlam Voluntary Group FUNDED BY : Infrastructure support: Ministry of Information Technology, India, : and Gujarati Samaj, Ratlam. URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm LICENCE : General Public Licence AUTHOR : Meera TITLE : Meera ke Bhajan DEVELOPERS : Ratlam Voluntary Group FUNDED BY : Infrastructure support: Ministry of Information Technology, India, : and Gujarati Samaj, Ratlam. URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm * LICENCE : General Public Licence AUTHOR : Meera TITLE : Bhajanmala DEVELOPERS : Ratlam Voluntary Group FUNDED BY : Infrastructure support: Ministry of Information Technology, India, : and Gujarati Samaj, Ratlam. URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm * LICENCE : General Public Licence AUTHOR : Premchanda TITLE : Nirmala DEVELOPERS : Ratlam Voluntary Group FUNDED BY : Infrastructure support: Ministry of Information Technology, India, : and Gujarati Samaj, Ratlam. 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URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm * LICENCE : General Public Licence -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 01:40:29 2000 Received: from thinkpad.exocore.com (pD90557F1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.5.87.241]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C0B4A199 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by thinkpad.exocore.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id eBL9ecQ02454; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:10:38 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:10:38 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis To: Linux Bangalore Cc: Linux India General Subject: IBM releases Mwave/ACP modem driver Message-ID: Organization: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/157 X-Sequence-Number: 897 IBM has released a Linux driver for the WinModem that is built into the 600x and 770x Thinkpad notebooks. Details at http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/projects/mwave/ Seems to work well on my Thinkpad 770. Pity that it is still a closed-source module (on an OpenSource site - IBM should be ashamed of themselves, but only slightly! ;-) Atul -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 02:11:24 2000 Received: from web11702.mail.yahoo.com (web11702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.68]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D67294A015 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:11:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001221101012.92180.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.197.179.223] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:10:12 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Srikant S. K" Subject: help on mail To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/158 X-Sequence-Number: 898 hello everybody, I am new to this list, and require some help on mail. I want to setup a local mail sever on linux. There are some users who have their mail accounts on hotmail.com, these users when send mails to each other within my network, the mail should be handled by local mailserver. That is i want to check all the mails for the To: address and if it is local user deliver it directly or else deliver it to hotmail.com. thanks in advance sriks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 04:17:10 2000 Received: from thinkpad.exocore.com (brln-d93208bc.pool.mediaWays.net [217.50.8.188]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886C44A1D2 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by thinkpad.exocore.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id eBLCHGG03447; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:47:16 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:47:15 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis To: Linux Bangalore Cc: Linux India General Subject: Re: [blug] IBM releases Mwave/ACP modem driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/159 X-Sequence-Number: 899 More on this: I have owned this notebook (IBM Thinkpad 770) since 1997, and still use it because it works well, and people are amazed to see Linux running on it at high speed, when Windows crawls on their P3 600 MHz notebooks (mine is a P1 233 Mhz notebook). But everytime, I have had to eat crow because "ah, but the internal modem does not work". Not anymore. I am currently connected via that modem, for the first time since I bought this notebook and put Linux on it! And it is rock steady and holds nicely at 45333 bps. Thank you, IBM! Atul On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Atul Chitnis wrote: > IBM has released a Linux driver for the WinModem that is built into the > 600x and 770x Thinkpad notebooks. > > Details at > > http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/projects/mwave/ > > Seems to work well on my Thinkpad 770. Pity that it is still a > closed-source module (on an OpenSource site - IBM should be ashamed of > themselves, but only slightly! ;-) > > Atul > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 05:45:04 2000 Received: from web6404.mail.yahoo.com (web6404.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.152]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E6274A1C2 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:45:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001221134359.5398.qmail@web6404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.19.14.93] by web6404.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:43:59 EST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: pierre-yves lemaire Subject: Looking for web developer To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/160 X-Sequence-Number: 900 Hello, We are a small company based in Montreal, Canada. We develop, host and maintain web applications for our clients. We are looking for one or two strong developer who have previous experience with: Linux/Apache/MySql/PHP4 OOP and/or modularity and very good documentation are a must ! All work will be done on a contractual basis and over the Internet. Also, we are looking in people interested on a long term relationship. If you are interested in finding more, please contact me at the email address below. Thank you. Pierre-Yves Lemaire 819.775.7818 py@ottawa.com _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 10:09:25 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B0B4A1DB for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26955 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:06:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:06:50 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Message-ID: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 02:49:45PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/161 X-Sequence-Number: 901 On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 02:49:45PM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > > AUTHOR : Kabeer > TITLE : Kabeer ke Dohe > DEVELOPERS : Ratlam Voluntary Group > FUNDED BY : Infrastructure support: Ministry of Information Technology, India, > : and Gujarati Samaj, Ratlam. > URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm > LICENCE : General Public Licence ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Interesting :) -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 11:41:56 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7237149F4D for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBLJRG319251 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.47.115]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G5XNZX00.QA6; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:40:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3A425CBD.8BD729A2@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:40:45 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org, pylem_2000@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Looking for web developer References: <20001221134359.5398.qmail@web6404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/162 X-Sequence-Number: 902 pierre-yves lemaire proclaimed: > We are a small company based in Montreal, Canada. > We develop, host and maintain web applications for our > clients. Pierre-Yyves, You have sent a unsolicited commercial email to a large group of people. You also broke one of the rules of the Linux India mailing list by posting a commercial posting without the required 'COMMERCIAL' tag. We will be getting in touch with your ISP and Yahoo Canada and asking them to terminate your account. In the meantime, we have also placed you in our watch list so that you will not repeat this. Have a nice day. List Admin -- Homer: [hurt] You signed my name? I feel so violated. Marge: You've signed my name lots of times! Homer: But this isn't like a loan application or a will! Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 21 21:07:00 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0EF4A0EE for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBM51XM20894 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:31:33 +0530 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:31:33 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Message-ID: <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org>; from arun@sharmas.dhs.org on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:06:50AM -0800 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Operating-System: Linux mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com 2.2.18 i686 X-Archive-Number: 200012/163 X-Sequence-Number: 903 Arun Sharma rearranged electrons thusly: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 02:49:45PM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > > URL : http://www.iiit.net/resources/overview.htm > > LICENCE : General Public Licence > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Interesting :) What has been gpl'd btw? AFAICT, any copyright which'd have been held on Kabir's works would have expired if not renewed by now (several centuries later). In fact, his dohas are not copyrighted anywhere and are uncopyrightable .. --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 05:31:15 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33924A25B; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (PPP50-87.dot.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.87]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12404; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:05:51 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000c01c06c1c$0b16c6a0$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: "Linux India General List" , "Linux India" Subject: IVRS Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:03:33 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/164 X-Sequence-Number: 904 Hi, I am ready to release First ever version (0.01) of Fully working Interactive Voice Response System using linux and modem under GPL. The tar ball file size would be around 1.0 -1.2 Mb. Can any one me lend/suggest 2 Mb of fast server space so that down load can be faster. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 05:56:28 2000 Received: from mailweb12.rediffmail.com (unknown [203.199.83.28]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9D794A34F for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12228 invoked by uid 510); 22 Dec 2000 13:54:15 -0000 Date: 22 Dec 2000 13:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001222135415.12227.qmail@mailweb12.rediffmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LIG Subject: [OT}false hacking From: "Moyukh" Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Description: Body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/165 X-Sequence-Number: 905 Friends, Though it not related to *linux*..but still i am writing.. from morning every body seems mailing that some fellow had hacked the pak website.. i amrefering to www.pakgov.org , this looks really stupid and anoying. just registering the domain name and hosting a page there and decleared it as a hacked site and creating a public nuincence.. i fell its a crime to mislead public like that, But its strange no one is there to stop this.. Is there any way to stop such thing...does any body bother.. Regds Moyukh *PS..If you fell if such mail shouldn't be posted here, then i am realyy very sorry for it.. _____________________________________________________ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 06:09:01 2000 Received: from ocean (unknown [12.10.209.134]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAE4A17B for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocean (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ocean (Postfix) with SMTP id CD5D1220 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:37:42 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:37:42 +0530 From: Sthitaprajna To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: IVRS Message-Id: <20001222193742.25f8bf5a.zeeble@skycable.net> In-Reply-To: <000c01c06c1c$0b16c6a0$f201a8c0@default> References: <000c01c06c1c$0b16c6a0$f201a8c0@default> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.9 (GTK+ 1.2.8; Linux 2.2.17; i686) Organization: SiriusCyberNetix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/166 X-Sequence-Number: 906 On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:03:33 +0530 "Mukund" wrote: > Voice Response System using linux and modem under GPL. > The tar ball file size would be around 1.0 -1.2 Mb. great!! > Can any one me lend/suggest 2 Mb of fast server space so that down load > can be faster. http://sourceforge.net From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 08:12:19 2000 Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 279DB4A12A for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial-123-156.dial.indiana.edu (HELO 0021395148.yahoo.com) (156.56.123.156) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 16:03:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20001222104603.00a60bf0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: asthana_aseem@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:48:15 -0500 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Aseem Asthana Subject: Re: [OT}false hacking In-Reply-To: <20001222135415.12227.qmail@mailweb12.rediffmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/167 X-Sequence-Number: 907 A Off topic reply to a off topic subject. I fully support Moyukh in this. What is surprising is that even the Deccan Herald has carried this new item. I linked to that from http://www.samachar.com WHat I found surprising was that even though I did nslookup on the site, I could not find details on that. It is apparently hosted in US, though. Regards, Aseem. At 01:54 PM 12/22/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Friends, > Though it not related to *linux*..but still i am >writing.. > >from morning every body seems mailing that some fellow >had hacked the pak website.. >i amrefering to www.pakgov.org , this looks really stupid >and anoying. >just registering the domain name and hosting a page there >and decleared it as a hacked site >and creating a public nuincence.. > >i fell its a crime to mislead public like that, But its >strange no one is there to stop this.. >Is there any way to stop such thing...does any body bother.. > >Regds >Moyukh > >*PS..If you fell if such mail shouldn't be posted here, >then i am realyy very sorry for it.. > >_____________________________________________________ >Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at >http://bol.rediff.com > > > > > >---------------------------------------------- >Find out more about this and other Linux India >mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 19:17:22 2000 Received: from archanp.naturesoft.com (unknown [202.9.161.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B964A267 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from onepost.net (IDENT:pagladashu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by archanp.naturesoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMFI5k00866 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:48:05 +0530 Message-ID: <3A4370AD.527725E6@onepost.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:48:05 +0530 From: Archan Paul X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: IVRS References: <000c01c06c1c$0b16c6a0$f201a8c0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/168 X-Sequence-Number: 908 In my home page, I can mount it...... Details please Archan devrootp@onepost.net www.bigfoot.com/~archanp Mukund wrote: > > Hi, > I am ready to release First ever version (0.01) of Fully working Interactive > Voice Response System using linux and modem under GPL. > The tar ball file size would be around 1.0 -1.2 Mb. > Can any one me lend/suggest 2 Mb of fast server space so that down load > can be faster. > > ---------------------------------------------- > An alpha version of a web based tool to manage > your subscription with this mailing list is at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 22 19:23:21 2000 Received: from archanp.naturesoft.com (unknown [202.9.161.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252D14A102 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from onepost.net (IDENT:pagladashu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by archanp.naturesoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMFO4k00873 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:54:04 +0530 Message-ID: <3A437214.2865D291@onepost.net> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:54:04 +0530 From: Archan Paul X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: IVRS References: <000c01c06c1c$0b16c6a0$f201a8c0@default> <20001222193742.25f8bf5a.zeeble@skycable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/169 X-Sequence-Number: 909 good idea but please do it after first week of the jan'2000 as the source forge is currently under maintenece. Though it is officially over but some probs like CVS access and others are not in place for few projects (eg. one of my CA project at sourceforge). BTW, Mukund, can u write a html doc in describing yjr arch of ur project? Archan devrootp@onepost.net www.bigfoot.com/~archanp Sthitaprajna wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:03:33 +0530 > "Mukund" wrote: > > > Voice Response System using linux and modem under GPL. > > The tar ball file size would be around 1.0 -1.2 Mb. > > great!! > > > Can any one me lend/suggest 2 Mb of fast server space so that down load > > can be faster. > > http://sourceforge.net > > ---------------------------------------------- > The mailing list archives are available at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIG From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 07:42:32 2000 Received: from bom8.vsnl.net.in (bom8.vsnl.net.in [202.54.4.125]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72A04A011 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from fangorn.localdomain (unknown [202.54.0.218]) by bom8.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C3487D5E for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:06:02 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Devdas Bhagat Reply-To: dodobh@nettaxi.com To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:30:44 +0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.61] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> In-Reply-To: <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/170 X-Sequence-Number: 910 On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Suresh Ramasubramanian spewed into the ether: > What has been gpl'd btw? AFAICT, any copyright which'd have been > held on Kabir's works would have expired if not renewed by now Can you even renew copyright? AFAIK, only Trademarks can be renewed. Devdas Bhagat -- I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person, of pre-Adamite ancestral descent. You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule. Consequently, my family pride is something inconceivable. I can't help it. I was born sneering. -- Pooh-Bah, "The Mikado" From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 08:47:00 2000 Received: from mailinx.nettlinx.com (unknown [202.53.64.197]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1D34A279 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 08:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from frodo.kcircle.com ([202.53.91.157]) by mailinx.nettlinx.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.01) with SMTP id G61YEI02.A4H for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:15:54 -0500 Received: (from sureshr@localhost) by frodo.kcircle.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-frodo-2.1) id eBNGpj501750 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:21:45 +0530 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:21:45 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Message-ID: <20001223222145.B1738@mail.ru> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain>; from dodobh@nettaxi.com on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:30:44PM +0600 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Files: Great Show X-Terminate: M$ X-Archive-Number: 200012/171 X-Sequence-Number: 911 On 23/12/00 21:30 +0600, Devdas Bhagat spewed into the LI bitstream: > Can you even renew copyright? AFAIK, only Trademarks can be renewed. copyright on literary works / works of art can be renewed. if not renewed for a century then the copyright lapses and the work is public domain see stuff abt the project gutenberg for more details - http://www.promo.net/pg -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet@efn.org Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 09:00:33 2000 Received: from www.aunet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 471574A354 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from thinkpad.exocore.com (p3E9EC067.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.192.103]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942D94A1EA for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by thinkpad.exocore.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id eBMGctU02458 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:08:55 +0530 X-Received: from localhost (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thinkpad.exocore.com (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id eBMGaJd02390 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:06:20 +0530 X-Received: from premium.exocore.com [203.197.173.224] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.5.0) for achitnis@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:06:20 +0530 (IST) X-Received: (from exocore@localhost) by premium.exocore.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBMGUkQ08301 for achitnis; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:00:46 +0530 X-Received: (from li@localhost) by premium.exocore.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eBMGUcU08284 for achitnis@exocore.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:00:38 +0530 X-Received: from lah (p47-max11.adl.ihug.com.au [203.173.187.47]) by premium.exocore.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBMGUBM08260 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:00:21 +0530 X-Received: from iweb.net.au (IDENT:steve@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lah (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18200 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:46:38 +1030 Message-ID: <3A437E62.7F916191@iweb.net.au> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:46:34 +1030 From: Steve Organization: Eljay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newsmaster@linux-india.org Subject: New Linux project hopes to benefit the people of India Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Old-X-Envelope-To: newsmaster@linux-india.org X-Envelope-To: achitnis@exocore.com ReSent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:08:30 +0530 (IST) Resent-From: Atul Chitnis Resent-To: Linux India General ReSent-Subject: New Linux project hopes to benefit the people of India ReSent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/172 X-Sequence-Number: 912 There is a new Linux project available on sourceforge: http://soureforge.net/projects/gshop gShop is a point of sale / order processing application can operate for a large variety of businesses. Whats so different about gShop ? - gShop is a complete and sophisticated package using state of the art Gnome interfaces and SQL database: - gShop has minimal hardware requirements : Pentium-166, 32MB RAM, 2GB Disk, 2MB VGA card - gShop is completely GPL'ed and free of charge We urgently need some language translators to convert gShop to the Indian language. We already have Spanish, Polish, Indonesian, and some African languages in the works. With an Indian language version in place, this would open up an oportunity for possibly thousands of Indian businesses to benefit from the computer revolution with a fully-featured package at extremely low cost, without a single dollar ever having to leave the country. This would also create a large sector of new employment for Indian Linux people to service these installations. This can only be good news for the country and the people, and good news for Linux as well. SteveOC gShop Project Australia PS: Why am I doing this ? because I dont think it is right that 90% of the worlds population only shares in 10% of the world's wealth, and yet those 90% still have to send off their hard earned money to people like Bill Gates. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 09:13:43 2000 Received: from ip.eth.net (punsmtp.ip.eth.net [202.9.128.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F9E4A4BC for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from r1r5s6 ([202.9.142.214]) by ip.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.467.46); Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:41:16 +0530 Message-ID: <005d01c06d04$8cb45860$d68e09ca@r1r5s6> From: "Amit Sathe" To: References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain> Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:49:46 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200012/173 X-Sequence-Number: 913 This issue is dealt with exhaustively at www.gutenberg.net which has thousands of such "e texts " ( works of shakespeare, goethe, longfellow etc) . They have given the law in the United states. our laws might not be very different amit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- There is no limit to what can be achieved if it does not matter who gets the credit ----- Original Message ----- From: Devdas Bhagat To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [LIG] [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Suresh Ramasubramanian spewed into the ether: > > > What has been gpl'd btw? AFAICT, any copyright which'd have been > > held on Kabir's works would have expired if not renewed by now > Can you even renew copyright? AFAIK, only Trademarks can be renewed. > > Devdas Bhagat > -- > I am, in point of fact, a particularly haughty and exclusive person, of > pre-Adamite ancestral descent. You will understand this when I tell you > that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic > globule. Consequently, my family pride is something inconceivable. I > can't help it. I was born sneering. > -- Pooh-Bah, "The Mikado" > > ---------------------------------------------- > An alpha version of a web based tool to manage > your subscription with this mailing list is at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/mj_wwwusr From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 19:02:39 2000 Received: from flashmail.com (unknown [207.173.216.241]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1BDC49F62 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31584 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 03:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kingfisher) (203.197.193.157) by flashmail.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 03:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c06d55$e97ff9e0$9dc1c5cb@kingfisher> From: "Sudev Barar" To: References: <3A437E62.7F916191@iweb.net.au> Subject: Re: New Linux project hopes to benefit the people of India Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:31:30 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Archive-Number: 200012/174 X-Sequence-Number: 914 Steve wrote: > We urgently need some language translators to convert gShop to >the > Indian language. > With an Indian language version in place, this would open up an > oportunity for possibly thousands of Indian businesses to benefit Steve you would be better off to use English version in India for Indian business as there is no Indian single language, there are seventeen of major ones. And use of vernacular in business applications is low. Sudev From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 23 23:10:52 2000 Received: from im.eth.net (mail.uthplanet.com [202.9.136.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BC349F42 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bytesforall ([61.11.9.29]) by im.eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:34:44 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha Reply-To: fred@bytesforall.org Organization: Freelance Journalist To: ilug-goa@egroups.com Subject: LINK: Dec 23 Linux Goa meeting.... Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:44:01 +0530 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: shiv_1981@usa.net, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00122412434900.00512@bytesforall> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/175 X-Sequence-Number: 915 Some highlights from the December 23 meeting in Panjim: * Due to repairs at the CSI office, we had a change in venue. As expected, only a small crowd turned up. * We sat down for the meeting at the Kala Academy canteen. Upside: good ambiance. Downside: No computers for hands-on session; all techie talk no demos. * The good news is that the next meeting is at the Goa University. It's schedule for Jan 27 at 4 pm. Agenda: Mail for the Home User. Session-leader Prof G R Bhat. To focus on setting up efficiently and handling Fetchmail, Procmail, Pine. Please pass the word around. Venue at Computer Science Dept. * Some feedback: Some present felt that PCQuest has not been offering expected-quality Linux software. For instance, one of the recent packages, GNUchess, is standard distribution with most Linux versions. Besides, only a limited-number of limited programs are available on CDs. * Drupad Gaonkar asked about the planned Jan 9/10 Linux programme for lecturers. Prof Bhat explained that the principals had said that only one teacher could attend at a time. So, Goa University was officially writing in to the institutions regarding the programme. * Another planned programme is on network management for engineers and technical personnel. Details for Prof G R Bhat * Prof GRB explained what measures were being undertaken to improve the Goa Telecom network. Await more details on this shortly, when an official announcement is expected to be made. * Drupad said some engineering students at Farmaguddi were keen about Linux and had launched an informal network. Contacts: Shivprasad 25 29 19. shiv_1981@usa.net * Animesh Nerulkar, who this time too faithfully came down all the way from Islampur (near Kolhapur) for the meeting, explained about the program he has written to give an "easier interface to HOWTOs". "It's called 'WoMAN'," he explained. Unlike MAN, this makes it far easier to access a list of what help is available. You have to install a script. For newbies that can be a bit difficult, so perhaps we need to write an RPM," said Animesh, a student of automobile engineering. He now plans to work out the same for the xWindows interface. These programs are on the ilug-goa site at http://www.egroups.com Details from Animesh bandu@mailandnews.com * Arvind Yadav explained about software programs available on the 'Network Computing' anniversary issue, recently on the stands and sold at Rs 50, alongwith two CDs. He said there were a number of Linux-based programs on these CDs, and some were quite useful. * There were questions about which Linux programs are useful for web-designing. Some suggested StarOffice or screen. * There was a debate about RedHat 7.0 and its shortcomings. It was felt that RedHat 6.2 (with its upgrades) was still the best option in the RedHat stable. Another useful option is Suse 6.4. * There was a debate on whether Linux offers "too much choice" that could end up confusing the newbie. Prof GRB did not agree with this view. * Arvind argued that Linux offered a range of services (file+print server, application server, web server, mail-server, proxy server, and system management) and could cope with a systems requirement of 32MBram. On the other hand, Win2000's small-business server needed a minimum of 256MBram, or optimally 512MB, he said. * Prof Bhat felt that with the growing number of users, Linux is coming under pressures to have all-in-one tools, that undertake a series of Tasks. "Linux works well because it focuses on having one tool for one job. Now there's a big clamour for all-in-one things," he said. He offered the example of Pine being used only to read mail, Fetchmail only to fetch mail, etc. Trying to have all-in-one tools could reduce the efficiency of programs, he pointed out. He stressed the need for Linux users to support the development of various programs, by also reporting bugs and giving feedback to those writing the programs. * On the question of Newsgroups, FN said this was something that we in India have not explored fully. News-readers suggested included Tn and krn (graphical). * It was announced that Egroups has merged with Yahoo recently, and a Linux version of the popular Yahoo Messenger is now available. * FN circulated a listing of educational school-based Linux programs available on the Net. For a copy of this list contact fred@bytesforall.org He also pointed to the Linux Newbie Newsletter (LNO), and circulated a specimen copy of the same. This too is available for free from the Net, and offers updates on the Linux front. -END OF REPORT -- *********************************************************** frederick noronha, freelance journalist, fred@bytesforall.org near convent, saligao 403511 goa india 0091.832.409490/ 409783 *********************************************************** Bytes For All http://www.bytesforall.org News from Goa http://www.goacom.com/news/ Photos from Goa http://www.goa-world.net/fotofolio/ GoaResearchNet http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503 *********************************************************** From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Dec 24 13:59:39 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.129]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449C04A015 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from jediland.home.retortsoft.com (jediland.home.retortsoft.com [192.168.111.33]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24176 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 03:34:54 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by jediland.home.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01256 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 03:23:07 +0530 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 03:23:07 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Message-ID: <20001225032307.B1179@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain> <20001223222145.B1738@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <20001223222145.B1738@mail.ru>; from mallet@efn.org on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 10:21:45PM +0530 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.16-1 X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 5.7a BETA X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/176 X-Sequence-Number: 916 Suresh Ramasubramanian forced the electrons to say: > copyright on literary works / works of art can be renewed. if not renewed > for a century then the copyright lapses and the work is public domain IIRC, it is fifty calendar years - I remember reading about this somewhere (in relation to Sir. A. C. Doyle's works on the net). Binand From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 25 00:25:32 2000 Received: from MailAndNews.com (MailAndNews.com [199.29.68.161]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ED349F60 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 00:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from abhay [202.9.134.154] (rits@mailandnews.com) by MailAndNews.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 03:23:50 -0500 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Mon, 25 Dec 00 03:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: <023301c06e4c$94eb91d0$0201a8c0@abhay> From: "Ritesh M Agarwal" To: , Subject: Wanted Red Hat 7.0 Cd Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:57:43 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Archive-Number: 200012/177 X-Sequence-Number: 917 . Can any one tell me where to get Rd hat 7 CDs in pune Thanks Ritesh M Agarwal From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 25 19:55:58 2000 Received: from MailAndNews.com (MailAndNews.com [199.29.68.161]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093F04A0FA; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from onepost.net [202.9.161.6] (devrootp@MailAndNews.com) by MailAndNews.com; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:53:58 -0500 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Mon, 25 Dec 00 22:53:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:25:05 +0530 From: Archan Paul Organization: Open Source Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-help@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: nasscom hosted in RH Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/178 X-Sequence-Number: 918 The server hosting NASSCOM is running on Redhat Linux!!! But surprisingly, there is no official promotion of Linux from Nasscom....... Will Dewang Mehta make any promo of Linux?? comments and discussions are welcome Archan devrootp@onepost.net www.biggfoot.com/~archanp From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 25 20:19:47 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5E849F60; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBQ4DYk01210; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:43:34 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:43:34 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-help@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: [LIH] nasscom hosted in RH Linux Message-ID: <20001226094334.A1190@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-help@lists.linux-india.org, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net>; from devrootp@onepost.net on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 09:25:05AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Operating-System: Linux mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com 2.2.18 i686 X-Archive-Number: 200012/179 X-Sequence-Number: 919 Archan Paul rearranged electrons thusly: > The server hosting NASSCOM is running on Redhat Linux!!! But > surprisingly, there is no official promotion of Linux from > Nasscom....... Will Dewang Mehta make any promo of Linux?? > comments and discussions are welcome Once Dewang Mehta learns to config his webserver properly, I suppose he can evangelize linux ;) Name: nasscom.org Address: 206.127.192.141 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ returns an "Apache Default" page Name: www.nasscom.org Address: 207.230.125.49 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ actual nasscom website. Given that he and his ppl are just media hungry windbags, they'll end up trying to hijack the linux movement in India, imho. --suresh -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 25 20:22:15 2000 Received: from alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (unknown [203.199.65.129]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F6649F60 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.bombay.retortsoft.com (falcon.bombay.retortsoft.com [192.168.100.34]) by alice.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18124 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:53:32 +0530 Received: (from binand@localhost) by falcon.bombay.retortsoft.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA04160 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:53:03 +0530 (IST) (envelope-from binand) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:53:03 +0530 From: "Binand Raj S." To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: nasscom hosted in RH Linux Message-ID: <20001226095303.A4108@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net>; from devrootp@onepost.net on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 09:25:05AM +0530 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE X-Organization: Retort Software Pvt. Ltd. X-Surviving-On: Oxygen, Coffee and Unix X-Archive-Number: 200012/180 X-Sequence-Number: 920 Archan Paul forced the electrons to say: > The server hosting NASSCOM is running on Redhat Linux!!! Are you sure? Here is what I got: Script started on Tue Dec 26 09:47:31 2000 binand@falcon[~] httptype www.nasscom.org Microsoft-IIS/4.0 binand@falcon[~] exit Script done on Tue Dec 26 09:47:44 2000 Are we talking of the same site? Binand PS: httptype is an HTTP server identification program, written by Philip Tellis, an active member of ILUG-BOM. It is available from freshmeat. From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Mon Dec 25 20:43:25 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6B449F4D for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBQ4b7Q01421 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:07:07 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:07:07 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: nasscom hosted in RH Linux Message-ID: <20001226100707.A1403@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <3A481699.FF3AE948@onepost.net> <20001226095303.A4108@bombay.retortsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001226095303.A4108@bombay.retortsoft.com>; from binand@bombay.retortsoft.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 09:53:03AM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Operating-System: Linux mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com 2.2.18 i686 X-Archive-Number: 200012/181 X-Sequence-Number: 921 Binand Raj S rearranged electrons thusly: > Archan Paul forced the electrons to say: > > The server hosting NASSCOM is running on Redhat Linux!!! > Are you sure? Here is what I got: > Script started on Tue Dec 26 09:47:31 2000 > binand@falcon[~] httptype www.nasscom.org > Microsoft-IIS/4.0 > binand@falcon[~] exit > Script done on Tue Dec 26 09:47:44 2000 > Are we talking of the same site? You aren't. The incompetent buffoons at NASSCOM have two ips - one of them (nasscom.org) is a deadrat linux box - and the other (www.nasscom.org) is this NT box. The actual site is www.nasscom.org --suresh > PS: httptype is an HTTP server identification program, written by > Philip Tellis, an active member of ILUG-BOM. It is available from > freshmeat. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 00:46:28 2000 Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org (unknown [203.197.142.200]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49154A133 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13952; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:23:59 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:23:59 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Cc: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Who is the father of Internet? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/182 X-Sequence-Number: 922 hi all, In one of my Internet lectures, one student asked "who is the father of Internet". I said "Vint. Cerf". But he said that he was told that Dr.Leonard Kleinrock is the father of Internet. When i did a google search, some site says "Vint Cerf" as father of Internet and some says "Leonard Kleinrock". which is true? -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 00:55:38 2000 Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3334A0E7 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 00:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from udhay.pobox.com (unknown [202.144.73.174]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961D53258A; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 03:54:05 -0500 (EST) X-Pgp-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-Pgp-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.2.20001226142209.02c4bc58@202.54.12.17> X-Nil: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:24:01 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Udhay Shankar N Subject: Re: Who is the father of Internet? Cc: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/183 X-Sequence-Number: 923 At 02:23 PM 12/26/2000 +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: >In one of my Internet lectures, one student asked "who is the father of >Internet". I said "Vint. Cerf". But he said that he was told that >Dr.Leonard Kleinrock is the father of Internet. When i did a google search, >some site says "Vint Cerf" as father of Internet and some says "Leonard >Kleinrock". which is true? "A great idea has many fathers" -- any number of people can claim to be one of the "Fathers Of The Internet" including Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Dave Farber and Jon Postel among many others. My personal feeling is that this kind of exercise to determine the One True Father of the net is pointless. Udhay -- _____________________________________________________________________ http://www.unimobile.com/ http://pobox.com/~udhay Unimobile - Anywhere, Any Device Messaging From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 02:14:26 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829DF4A15C for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 02:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBQA8FG03513 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:38:15 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:38:15 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Who is the father of Internet? Message-ID: <20001226153815.A3489@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <5.0.1.4.2.20001226142209.02c4bc58@202.54.12.17> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20001226142209.02c4bc58@202.54.12.17>; from udhay@pobox.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:24:01PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Operating-System: Linux mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com 2.2.18 i686 X-Archive-Number: 200012/184 X-Sequence-Number: 924 Udhay Shankar N rearranged electrons thusly: > At 02:23 PM 12/26/2000 +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > >In one of my Internet lectures, one student asked "who is the father of > >Internet". I said "Vint. Cerf". But he said that he was told that > >Dr.Leonard Kleinrock is the father of Internet. When i did a google search, > "A great idea has many fathers" -- any number of people can claim to be one > of the "Fathers Of The Internet" including Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Dave The problem is that there are enough (rather shady) quizzers such as Derek No'Brains^W O'Brien and his ilk ... they love to ask a question and fit their answers to it (most _real_ quizzers avoid the usual "father of this, inventor of that" stuff ... ;) That, however, is the birth of this controversy, and several such ;) > Farber and Jon Postel among many others. > My personal feeling is that this kind of exercise to determine the One True > Father of the net is pointless. -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 03:12:29 2000 Received: from bgl.vsnl.net.in (bgl2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017C34A133 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 03:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from puma.yahoo.com (PPP-174-85.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.174.85]) by bgl.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F3262BF for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:32:46 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001226163947.00ae13f0@hawk> X-Sender: biju_chacko#pop.mail.yahoo.com@hawk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:46:01 +0530 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org From: Biju Chacko Subject: Re: Who is the father of Internet? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200012/185 X-Sequence-Number: 925 Not Me. I want to clarify right now that my relationship with DARPA is completely platonic. Those pictures that appeared in various tabloids were completely misinterpreted -- it was a yoga lesson. We're just good friends. It was a virgin birth, I tell you! :-) Biju At 02:23 PM 26/12/00 +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: >In one of my Internet lectures, one student asked "who is the father of >Internet". I said "Vint. Cerf". But he said that he was told that >Dr.Leonard Kleinrock is the father of Internet. When i did a google search, >some site says "Vint Cerf" as father of Internet and some says "Leonard >Kleinrock". which is true? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biju "Botsie" Chacko b i j u _ c h a c k o @ y a h o o . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 03:18:59 2000 Received: from mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (unknown [202.169.133.50]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9954A1C8 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 03:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from suresh@localhost) by mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/mjollnir-1.2) id eBQBCn704056 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:42:49 +0530 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:42:49 +0530 From: Suresh Ramasubramanian To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Who is the father of Internet? Message-ID: <20001226164249.A4038@oyeindia.com> Reply-To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Mail-Followup-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001226163947.00ae13f0@hawk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001226163947.00ae13f0@hawk>; from biju_chacko@yahoo.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 04:46:01PM +0530 Organization: Hopelessly Disorganized X-Operating-System: Linux mjollnir.rocklines.oyeindia.com 2.2.18 i686 X-Archive-Number: 200012/186 X-Sequence-Number: 926 Biju Chacko rearranged electrons thusly: > I want to clarify right now that my relationship with DARPA is completely > platonic. Those pictures that appeared in various tabloids were completely > misinterpreted -- it was a yoga lesson. We're just good friends. > It was a virgin birth, I tell you! Remember, you are under oath! -- Suresh Ramasubramanian + mallet<@>efn.org You spamma my mailbox, I nukea da ass From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 12:41:35 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B6A4A0F2 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02970 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:38:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:38:36 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Who is the father of Internet? Message-ID: <20001226123836.A2936@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <5.0.1.4.2.20001226142209.02c4bc58@202.54.12.17> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20001226142209.02c4bc58@202.54.12.17>; from udhay@pobox.com on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:24:01PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/187 X-Sequence-Number: 927 On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:24:01PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > > "A great idea has many fathers" -- any number of people can claim to be one > of the "Fathers Of The Internet" including Vint Cerf, Bob Metcalfe, Dave > Farber and Jon Postel among many others. How could you forget Al Gore ? -Arun From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 17:53:51 2000 Received: from mailweb11.rediffmail.com (unknown [203.199.83.27]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4BDA4A19A for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:53:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3557 invoked by uid 510); 27 Dec 2000 01:50:52 -0000 Date: 27 Dec 2000 01:50:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20001227015052.3556.qmail@mailweb11.rediffmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo@plug.org.in , linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux From: "Aditya R Rao" Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Description: Body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/188 X-Sequence-Number: 928 Can you please tell me how to format and use a floppy disk under linux _____________________________________________________ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 19:45:50 2000 Received: from MailAndNews.com (MailAndNews.com [199.29.68.161]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FB64A17E for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from onepost.net [202.9.161.7] (devrootp@MailAndNews.com) by MailAndNews.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:44:00 -0500 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Tue, 26 Dec 00 22:44:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3A4965C4.BE9F9B19@onepost.net> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:15:08 +0530 From: Archan Paul Organization: Open Source Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux References: <20001227015052.3556.qmail@mailweb11.rediffmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/189 X-Sequence-Number: 929 Hi Aditya, If u want to do raw format of the floppy, then use "fdformat ". To make the filesystem, use "mkfs /dev/fd0". If you want to use the floppy in (DOS) vfat format, then install "mtools" package and then use "mformat" to format the floppy. Archan devrootp@onepost.net Aditya R Rao wrote: > > Can you please tell me how to format and use a floppy disk under linux > > _____________________________________________________ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 23:32:35 2000 Received: from web1205.mail.yahoo.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9F114A2B9 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12331 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2000 07:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20001227073106.12330.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.54.110.225] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:31:06 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rohit Srivastava Subject: Re: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/190 X-Sequence-Number: 930 Hi Archan If I want to use the floppy in DOS vfat can't I do it with making vfat file system with mkfs -t vfat /dev/fd0 1440 ?? rohit --- Archan Paul wrote: > Hi Aditya, > If u want to do raw format of the floppy, then use > "fdformat eg. /dev/fd0>". > To make the filesystem, use "mkfs /dev/fd0". If you > want to use the > floppy in (DOS) vfat format, then install "mtools" > package and then use > "mformat" to format the floppy. > > > Archan > devrootp@onepost.net > > > Aditya R Rao wrote: > > > > Can you please tell me how to format and use a > floppy disk under linux > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Dec 26 23:39:04 2000 Received: from web1206.mail.yahoo.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C0614A22D for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4485 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2000 07:37:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20001227073735.4484.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.54.110.225] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:37:35 PST Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rohit Srivastava Subject: Re: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/191 X-Sequence-Number: 931 Hi aditya If U're using gnome with KDE then U can use kfloppy to format and make file system. In order to use it U can right click the floppy icon on the desktop and select mount device and there it goes! the directory /mnt/floppy is your floppy disk.... alternatively U can mount the device by mount /dev/fd0 or mount /dev/fd0 -t /mnt/floppy if automatically doesnt recognises your file system on the disk. Archan has already described how to format and make a filesystem on a new disk.... Rohit --- Aditya R Rao wrote: > Can you please tell me how to format and use a > floppy disk under linux > > _____________________________________________________ > Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. > Get Rediff Bol at > http://bol.rediff.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > Find out more about this and other Linux India > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 27 03:15:29 2000 Received: from archanp.naturesoft.com (unknown [202.9.161.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC10B4A1F0 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from archanp.naturesoft.com (IDENT:pagladashu@archanp.naturesoft.com [127.0.0.1]) by archanp.naturesoft.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBRBEdr02322 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:44:39 +0530 From: Archan Paul Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:14:39 GMT Message-ID: <20001227.11143900@archanp.naturesoft.com> Subject: Re: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org In-Reply-To: <20001227073106.12330.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001227073106.12330.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archive-Number: 200012/192 X-Sequence-Number: 932 Sure!! I can.... Archan devrootp@onepost.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 12/27/00, 1:01:06 PM, Rohit Srivastava wrote=20 regarding Re: [LIG] How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux: > Hi Archan > If I want to use the floppy in DOS vfat can't I do it > with making vfat file system with > mkfs -t vfat /dev/fd0 1440 > ?? > rohit > --- Archan Paul wrote: > > Hi Aditya, > > If u want to do raw format of the floppy, then use > > "fdformat > eg. /dev/fd0>". > > To make the filesystem, use "mkfs /dev/fd0". If you > > want to use the > > floppy in (DOS) vfat format, then install "mtools" > > package and then use > > "mformat" to format the floppy. > > > > > > Archan > > devrootp@onepost.net > > > > > > Aditya R Rao wrote: > > > > > > Can you please tell me how to format and use a > > floppy disk under linux > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Find out more about this and other Linux India > > mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > ---------------------------------------------- > The mailing list archives are available at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIG From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 27 10:19:39 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A5F4A145 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBRI9U313283 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:09:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.47.115]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G68O6401.C6K for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3A4A325C.C3774D72@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:18:04 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: How do i us a Floppy Disk in Linux References: <20001227073735.4484.qmail@web1206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/193 X-Sequence-Number: 933 Rohit Srivastava proclaimed: > > Hi aditya > If U're using gnome with KDE then U can use kfloppy to > format and make file system. In order to use it U can > right click the floppy icon on the desktop and select > mount device and there it goes! the directory > /mnt/floppy is your floppy disk.... > alternatively U can mount the device by > mount /dev/fd0 or > mount /dev/fd0 -t /mnt/floppy if > automatically doesnt recognises your file system on > the disk. Archan has already described how to format > and make a filesystem on a new disk.... > Rohit > > --- Aditya R Rao wrote: > > Can you please tell me how to format and use a > > floppy disk under linux 1. This is a topic for Linux India Help. Please post such technical help questions to LIH. 2. Please edit the quoted portions of your replies. 3. Please remove the signature that the list inserts into a post when replying. List Admin -- Homer: [hurt] You signed my name? I feel so violated. Marge: You've signed my name lots of times! Homer: But this isn't like a loan application or a will! Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 27 17:11:52 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91394A14A for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id eBS0ua321131 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.47.115]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G6979600.VAB for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:10:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3A4A92FA.102BBD1F@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:10:18 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/194 X-Sequence-Number: 934 Damn Suresh and his Reply-To. ;-) Thaths -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [LIG] [OFFTOPIC] List of Online Hindi books Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:20:06 -0800 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation To: Suresh Ramasubramanian References: <20001221100650.A26920@sharmas.dhs.org> <20001222103133.A20876@oyeindia.com> <00122321304402.00584@fangorn.localdomain> <20001223222145.B1738@mail.ru> Suresh Ramasubramanian proclaimed: > On 23/12/00 21:30 +0600, Devdas Bhagat spewed into the LI bitstream: > > Can you even renew copyright? AFAIK, only Trademarks can be renewed. > copyright on literary works / works of art can be renewed. if not > renewed for a century then the copyright lapses and the work is > public domain > see stuff abt the project gutenberg for more details - http://www.promo.net/pg Actually, under normal circumstances, the copyright can only be extended upto a certain maximum. One cannot keep renewing the copyright beyond a certain limit. IIRC, the limit is x years after death of author or y years after first copyrighted (whichever is longer). Don't exactly recall what x and y are. The law can be bent. As was demonstrated by Disney Corp. The Copyright (or Trademark. I don't recall exactly) of their work was reaching the maximum allowed period. They twisted the arms of the US Congress (under the guise of "protecting children") to give them special consideration and extended the thing for another 100 years. Thaths -- Homer: [hurt] You signed my name? I feel so violated. Marge: You've signed my name lots of times! Homer: But this isn't like a loan application or a will! Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Dec 27 20:48:01 2000 Received: from nagpur.dot.net.in (nagpur.vsnl.net.in [202.54.50.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2714A300; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([202.54.50.136]) by nagpur.dot.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06960; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:17:48 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <001201c07089$43b771a0$f201a8c0@default> From: "Mukund" To: "Linux India General List" , "Linux India" Subject: Ivrs files Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:13:33 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Archive-Number: 200012/195 X-Sequence-Number: 935 Interactive Voice Response System (IVRS) file also available at http://betacomp.com/ivrs1.htm, Bricks, bats, praise welcome. Regards, Mukund Deshmukh Beta Computronics Pvt. Ltd. Web Site - www.betacomp.com From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Dec 28 06:46:48 2000 Received: from delhi1.mtnl.net.in (delhi1.mtnl.net.in [203.94.243.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B1C4A1AA for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.linux-delhi.org by delhi1.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/07Jul00-0916AM) id UAA0000006470; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:11:28 +0530 (IST) Received: (from raju@localhost) by mail.linux-delhi.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06728; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:14:24 +0530 From: Raju Mathur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14923.20935.953611.907519@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:14:23 +0530 (IST) To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: (fwd) responses to UK writer X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org X-Archive-Number: 200012/196 X-Sequence-Number: 936 Interesting. Needless to say, this is unadulterated RMS/GNU-ism, and I'm whole-heartedly for it. Time for another flame-war, folks? Fortunately I'm out of station till the 3rd of Jan, so I'll bask in the glowing embers when I get back. -- Raju From: Tony Stanco To: FreeDevelopers@topica.com Subject: responses to UK writer Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:50:07 -0800 Here are some responses from me, Arun and Dan to questions from a UK political writer who is writing an article on FD. I think it sets the tone for what we are trying to do here and what we are about. If you want to discuss it, don't do it on the main list. Do it at FD-Philosophy (linked from our site). ++++++++++ > 2) What are the main ways in which technology could "enslave the world" > (from your FAQs) if their model wins over free software? Software is the law that machines obey. And machines will define more and more how people interact with each other in cyberspace and real space. Without being careful about how those machines are implemented and where, and who gets to write the software those machines will obey, the world can quite literally be enslaved by cyber-chains. We are about to enter an age that would have thrilled all the dictators of the past. An age where machines can be a totally obedient, non human, police force allowing absolute control over the movement and interaction of every individual. Just today I was reading an article in the latest edition of MIT's Technology that talked about "hybrid brain-machine interfaces." Now granted it referred to how some are trying to develop interfaces that allow the brain to directly control machines. But how far are we from a hybrid machine-brain interfaces where the causation goes the other way? Since proprietary software is by definition unseen code not subject to scrutiny by the public, it gives too much power to a few, unelected businessmen, mostly from the U.S. Looking back on human history, nightmarish scenarios cannot to hard to imagine. > 1) Briefly, why do you go so far as to dub proprietary software companies > "evil" and "the enemy"? They are potentially evil for the reasons above. They are our enemy because our mission as free developers is to stop that world from being a reality. The goal of proprietary companies is to make that goal a reality, wittingly or unwittingly. Also, I see free software as a continuation of the ancient struggle for equality, democracy and freedom that goes back to the first moment of human group consciousness. Those ideals have won out in the political sphere after 6000 years, and now the struggle continues in the commercial and economic sphere. Since software is a new form of law, the analogy is all the stronger. 3) What have been the biggest problems in getting FreeDevelopers to this > current stage? Finding and gathering up the true believers. Richard Stallman, the philosopher and originator of free software, has evangelized free software for 16 years around the world. We are now trying to call up those troops from around the world, but the developers, whose hearts he has touched, are dispersed far and wide worldwide and there isn't a phone directory listing them under free software developers. So it is a grass roots, word of mouth effort to put out the word that it is time to act. > What do you envisage being the biggest problems it will face > in the future? When we hit the radar screens of proprietary they will come at us with full force. They know only one software development paradigm can exist: either it is a closed code one or a free software one, because at their core they are antithetical. Since their current power over the developers comes from dividing developers and keeping the code secret, they know they have to discredit us or lose all their power. Since there are hundreds of billions of dollars, plus immense personal empires, at stake, we are expecting an incredible campaign against us. > What are the more difficult decisions you are debating > between yourselves at the moment (I've read about the debate over when to > release the first version of the democracy software)? Who really is a free software developer. Some, who claim to be, don't understand the animating spirit of free software. So some think they can be a free software developer and can still keep some of their code secret. Open source has added to this confusion, because they allow proprietary layers to be shipped with free software. So more people want to join us than really should and we really don't have a ready way to look into someone's heart to see what they really think as soon as they join. This has created some lively debates. Also, it is becoming apparent that there is a generation gap. People who have worked during the proprietary age, find it hard to conceptualize how free software can work and cling to old metaphors. Students coming out of computer science classes, however, have only been working on free software and understand it implicitly. > 4) Please could you give me a bit more information about the 450 (or is it > more now?) developers who have joined FreeDevelopers. They're from all over > the world, but what sort of people are they? >From last count they are 25 countries. [Arun can you list them?] > Are they highly experienced developers with a long-term commitment to free > software? Most are computer science and/or computer engineering students. Some have been working on free software for years. Others are working at proprietary companies and work with us at night when they get home. > Any specific age band? Mostly in their twenty is my guess. > Have most of them worked for proprietary companies in the past - and > if so, how do most of them make their living at the moment? The ones who are not students are mostly working at proprietary companies, because there aren't many alternatives available for paying jobs in free software. > Is everyone who wants to join allowed to, or have you turned anyone down at this > early stage? We allow everyone in and if they show that they don't understand free software methodologies and are unwilling to learn, we ask them to leave. > Do you all tend to have similar political views, or is there a broad > mixture? How have they heard about the company? We are technologists from all religions and political views. The unifying theme is a belief in free software and the harm of proprietary. > 5) Would it be fair to describe the free software movement as a "resistance > movement"? In that proprietary software is the oppressive current regime that we are trying to overthrow, yes. But we are non violent. Our war is a philosophical war over the hearts and minds of developers, showing them that by joining together there is a better way. A way that gives them more power and allows them to protect the world from cyber-chains. > What are the similarities and differences between it and Trade Unionism? This is a great question, because it goes to the heart of the matter. We are unlike a trade union because unlike traditional industrial companies, software companies have no physical assets. In traditional industrial companies, the power flows from the fact that the companies own the assets that workers have to use to do their jobs. So employees have to unite to have an equal power base to negotiate with the power base inherent in the owners of the assets. But now think of software companies. Where are the assets giving the companies the power over the developers? There isn't any. If the developers unite, they have the power and there is no countervailing power base on the other side. So do you see what I mean? In traditional companies, workers unite to have a countervailing power. But if software developers unite, they are the only ones with the power. It is a fundamental difference. That is the reason, by the way, that I think that it doesn't matter how much money and effort proprietary software arrays against us. If we can persuade the developers to unite, we win. > Would you say it has anything in common with the anti-capitalist > (Seattle, WTO etc etc) movement? No, we are not anti-capitalism. Free markets is just another freedom of a free people in our view. Capitalism has historically been the greatest leveler, because it produces more for everyone to consume. The question has only really been one of equitable distribution of the production. And capitalism has been working itself pure on that front, too. In its quest to be ever more efficient, capitalism has targeted the middle class for the production, which obviously gets a lot of production to the greatest number of people. But an interesting thing has started to happen in the last couple of decades. The ownership of the means of production has also been becoming much more egalitarian, because the middle class has been buying stock in the companies that are producing the goods in record numbers. There are some problems of corporate concentration by ever growing mergers, but appropriate government regulation can keep the size of corporations under control, if the political will materializes. > 6) Please could you expand a little on the ways you see companies selling > and distributing Open Source software as becoming "exploitative"? Is this a > commonly held view among developers? We view open source companies as allies. They also want to change the software development paradigm to a free software one. We don't want to make too much of the differences because we are on the same side of this philosophical war. But the biggest difference between us and them is over who gets to share in the wealth. They have a more traditional model where those at the top of those organizations reap most of the rewards, and rely on the unpaid work of thousands of free software developers who volunteer their effort for the sake of their free software ideals. > 7) Why do you think you can successfully build a democratic company when > it's such a difficult thing to do efficiently? Democracy is not necessarily about efficiency. It is about safeguards from abuse of the powerful. How you get to democracy usually, and in this case in particular, is that you back into it, after you have tried everything else and nothing else works. I think that explains political history for the last 6000 years very nicely. My prognosis for software democracy works on a similar logic of elimination. Traditionally, companies were allowed to be monarchical, because market competition acts as the control mechanism on the appetites of any one CEO. But in monopoly situations, say electricity or local phone service, market controls break down, so that another control system was needed to control potential abuse. Historically that was government regulation. In fact, the Microsoft anti-trust trial tried to use that same control mechanism recently. But high tech is unlikely to be controlled by government regulation, because it is a moving target. It is the exact dilemma that the Microsoft court was struggling with: how do you control the abuse while not stifling innovation in such a fast moving field run by technical experts? Direct government regulation is not going to work in this case, because unlike traditional monopolies there aren't the physical assets to regulate. There are only the experts, and government officials are ill-equipped to regulate them because of their superior specialized knowledge. Regulation of technical experts is usually conducted by self-regulatory organizations (SRO's). Examples of these are the state bar associations, medical associations, or stock broker associations, and they work generally pretty well in those areas. But they have generally failed in software. The reason is that in those other organizations the members can compete against each other, whereas software monopolizes. So after surveying all the traditions mechanisms of control and realizing they fall short, you are left with democracy. > How convinced are you that it will work? It has to, because the alternative is unthinkable. > 8) Would you say that some of the principles of free software could be > applied to research and development in any other fields (Aids research > springs to mind)? What is it that makes software so different that this > whole movement has developed? I haven't looked into it in other areas. My sense is that other areas are functioning pretty well with the existing structures. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take a second look at our old infrastructures every 50 or so years to see if we they haven't fallen into disrepair and we are just perpetuating them because they are comfortable habits. I would still venture to say, however, that the Internet is going to allow more democracy overall in R&D and elsewhere, because it allows for communications efficiencies not previously available. But in those other areas, change will probably be evolutionary, not revolutionary with accompanying paradigm changes. Software in an interconnected world is like law and so there must be a new infrastructure in place to protect the world from the cyber-chains. It is probably a special situation. ++++++++++++++ Arun from India Questions for developers: 1) Please give a potted professional history... I am Engg student and interested in social implication of software(Technology Choice). Technology for people. 2) Did you at some point "convert" to the idea of free software? If so, what was it that convinced you? I think convert is not a correct word for my case. I am from Kerala a state in India(If you have read articles by Nobel prize winner Amrtya Sen you would have learned about this place). Internet became popular here in last few years. I didnt know about Free Software Movement when I entered the field of computers. When I learned about it I joined it. It was the natural place for me. 3) Have you worked for a proprietary company in the past - if so, did you leave, and when and why did you decide to leave? I have an offer to join one of the largest software company India. But I cant. I have been advocating for free software. It is not possible for me to cheat myself. 4) What are the ways in which developers become disenfranchised if working for proprietary companies - please could you give a few examples of the things you have personally found most frustrating? I didnt get the question. 5) Is it fair to say that most developers are frustrated with the proprietary model, even if they chose to work for proprietary companies? Most dont care. - Are there many developers who think the proprietary model is a good thing per se? If so, why do they think that? Yes there are. Mostly all of them dream of becoming Bill soon. Its just a matter of social conditioning. 6) Have you made any personal sacrifices (money, time, prestige etc) for your free software principles? See above.. Money some time.. Time usually. Prestige depends on the way we look at it. I believe non can hurt my prestige till I do something which is self defeating can creating a conflict in me. It can happen if I join a proprietary software company. 7) How did you hear about FreeDevelopers, what influenced you in your decision to join, and what are your hopes for the company? I didnt wanted to join proprietary software companies. There was none here to give me employment in free software. So with my friends I thought of making one of our own. During that time I came to know about FD. For me there was noting against joining FD. FD is the need of time. It must succeed. Arun ++++++++++++++ Dan from USA 1. Please give a potted professional history... Currently, I am a Senior Computer Engineering student at Milwaukee School of Engineering (MSOE http://www.msoe.edu). This my 5th year. Currently I work for the MSOE TRIO Programs on campus developing free software for all TRIO programs (http://sourceforge.net/projects/trioweb). I used to work for L.S. Research Inc. doing embedded systems programming which was proprietary software. 2. Did you at some point "convert" to the idea of free software? If so, what was it that convinced you? Yes, I had been using GNU/Linux systems for a while and never really understood any of the philosophy behind Free or Open Source software until I looked I took a course in ethics. In that course I decided I wanted to write a position paper on the ethics of free software. It is then I started to realize what free software was all about and the differences between that and open source (which was the buzz word at the time). Since then I have taken other philosophy based courses and have written a lot more on Free software. Eventually, I am going to put these essays up on the web. The thing that convinced me was that it just seemed that free software was the way things "ought" to be. I was drawn to it's sense of community, cooperation, and sharing. I myself have never fit much into the corporate world. I enjoy doing things and pursuing things that help other people. Money is not as important to me as freedom and making a difference in other people's lives and the world. 3. Have you worked for a proprietary company in the past - if so, did you leave, and when and why did you decide to leave? Yes, I worked for L.S. Research for about 4 months or so and then after some soul searching and the exposure to Free Software Philosophy I was getting from reading RMS, I decided it was not for me. I did not want to be involved in something I did not whole heartedly believe in. 4. What are the ways in which developers become disenfranchised if working for proprietary companies - please could you give a few examples of the things you have personally found most frustrating? Developers become disenfranchised in a number of ways. When you write some software and you are really excited about it then somebody asks you, "Hey can I use it" and you have to tell them no it very heart breaking. You see how your program could've made an impact in their lives and you feel resentment and shame. This a huge red flag for me. What's wrong with this picture? 5. Is it fair to say that most developers are frustrated with the proprietary model, even if they chose to work for proprietary companies? Are there many developers who think the proprietary model is a good thing per se? If so, why do they think that? I am not sure how many people are frustrated by it. Some developers are only doing it for the money so they don't care if the code is free or not. I, on the other hand, am driven by other things such as freedom, sharing, cooperation. I do not want to look back on my life and feel that I haven't made a difference in this world. I think that free software is a great and noble way for me to do just that. More importantly, it is the right way. 6. Have you made any personal sacrifices (money, time, prestige etc) for your free software principles? I am making sacrifices right now. I know I could go somewhere and make a rediculous amount of money, but I know this would not make me happy. I will be a lot happier fighting for something that I believe in. Doing something that I feel is worth while. I have made a conscious decision to not compromise on my beliefs no matter what. Even if some company offers me the world. 7. How did you hear about FreeDevelopers, what influenced you in your decision to join, and what are your hopes for the company? I found freedevelopers from the link on the GNU home page. The one thing that I liked about FreeDevelopers was that there is actually a potential for being able to make a living developing free software, doing something that I believe and that would make me happy. It is a dream come true. We will make this dream a reality, consequently changing the world forever. Dan -- Raju Mathur raju@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 29 03:02:17 2000 Received: from mailweb22.rediffmail.com (unknown [203.199.83.146]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21FAA4A193 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 510); 29 Dec 2000 09:48:45 -0000 Date: 29 Dec 2000 09:48:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20001229094844.12334.qmail@mailweb22.rediffmail.com> Received: from unknown (202.144.95.247) by rediffmail.com via HTTP; 29 Dec 2000 09:48:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LIG Subject: pcmcia device(urgent) From: "Moyukh" Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Description: Body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200012/197 X-Sequence-Number: 937 Hi all, I had a pcmcia flash RAM (Digital Camera Fuji MX-2700) and have a pcmcia slot on my laptop. I have Redhat 6.2 on the system. 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This can solve the problem : of downloading fonts everytime you visit a site.) -- mks -- From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 29 09:14:28 2000 Received: from web11803.mail.yahoo.com (web11803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.157]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6A164A053 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:14:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001229171246.82998.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.144.107.4] by web11803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:12:46 PST Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: Babu C Subject: Clarification about Error accessiong sites with Squid To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200012/199 X-Sequence-Number: 939 As I was struggling to find out what went went wrong at last I thought of trying Linux Mailing list and Hope for the best :) As I am having a network of Win95 machines I am configuring a Linux Proxy running Redhat 7.0 with Squid version - Squid/2.3.STABLE4 , everything went smooth and I was able to connect the proxy machine to net and I can access the sites in that But when I try to access sites from Other machines I get the following error. ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved ------------------------------------------------------- While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.yahoo.com/ The following error was encountered: Access Denied. Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect. Your cache administrator is root. ------------------------------ As I tryed my best to figure out what went wrong I cant see anything wrong , so can anyone plese tell what may be the problem and I am using ipchains with the following rules ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 127.0.0.1/32 www -j ACCEPT ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 192.168.1.1/32 www -j ACCEPT ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 0/0 www -j REDIRECT 8080 and I want to know is there any way I can block all sites except few(particular ones) using Ipchains? And whether Squid can act as IRC proxy for clients like MIRC and ICQ? 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Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 29 11:22:18 2000 Received: from inbound.satyam.net.in (unknown [202.144.76.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B2E4A14A for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from glidemart (210.214.98.158) by inbound.satyam.net.in (NPlex 4.5.051) id 3A346EE100082D7D for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:14:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c071cc$67263c40$9e62d6d2@glidemart> From: "YL Narayana" To: Subject: IT for doctors Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:43:45 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Archive-Number: 200012/200 X-Sequence-Number: 940 Hi. A small course to familiarise the teaching staff of the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research, Chandigarh is going to be held near the end of January. Most of us are either totally unfamiliar with computers or just about competent to use a few Windows programs at a basic level. Some of us are a bit better. I know of at least four that run Linux on their home computers. The course is going to be a very basic one. However, some professionals are going to give talks in the inaugural function. We are going to get a manager from a corporate hospital, a guy from one of the companies specialising in medical systems etc., I was wondering if there is anybody in or near Chandigarh on this list, who can possibly give a talk on Open Source Software. Please contact me. I know this is more appropriate to the LI-Advocacy, but that list seems to be moribund. Thanks Narayana ylnarayana@satyam.net.in From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Dec 29 21:09:52 2000 Received: from mail.rurkiu.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.62.14]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983C74A0FF for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 21:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hsraidce@localhost) by mail.rurkiu.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28518 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:38:45 +0530 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:38:44 +0530 (IST) From: "H.S.Rai" X-Sender: hsraidce@mail To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Clarification about Error accessiong sites with Squid In-Reply-To: <20001229171246.82998.qmail@web11803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200012/201 X-Sequence-Number: 941 Change /etc/squid/squid.conf as: .................................... debug_options ALL,1 acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 http_access allow all icp_access allow all dns_testnames internic.net usc.edu cache_effective_user squid squid ........................................... H. S. Rai On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Babu C wrote: > As I was struggling to find out what went went wrong > at last I thought of trying Linux Mailing list and > Hope for the best :) > As I am having a network of Win95 machines I am > configuring a Linux Proxy running Redhat 7.0 with > Squid version - Squid/2.3.STABLE4 , everything went > smooth and I was able to connect the proxy machine to > net and I can access the sites in that But when I try > to access sites from Other machines I get the > following error. > > ERROR > The requested URL could not be retrieved > > ------------------------------------------------------- > While trying to retrieve the URL: > http://www.yahoo.com/ > > The following error was encountered: > > Access Denied. > Access control configuration prevents your request > from being allowed at this time. Please contact your > service provider if you feel this is incorrect. > > Your cache administrator is root. > > ------------------------------ > As I tryed my best to figure out what went wrong I > cant see anything wrong , so can anyone plese tell > what may be the problem and I am using ipchains with > the following rules > > ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 127.0.0.1/32 www -j ACCEPT > ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 192.168.1.1/32 www -j > ACCEPT > ipchains -A input -p TCP -d 0/0 www -j REDIRECT 8080 > > and I want to know is there any way I can block all > sites except few(particular ones) using Ipchains? > And whether Squid can act as IRC proxy for clients > like MIRC and ICQ? > Thanx a lot > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------- > The mailing list archives are available at > http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/LIG > From linux-india-general-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Dec 30 14:16:51 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6634A102 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10251 for linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:13:41 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:13:41 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: (fwd) responses to UK writer Message-ID: <20001230141341.A10221@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <14923.20935.953611.907519@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14923.20935.953611.907519@localhost.localdomain>; from raju@linux-delhi.org on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 08:14:23PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200012/202 X-Sequence-Number: 942 On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 08:14:23PM +0530, Raju Mathur wrote: > Interesting. Needless to say, this is unadulterated RMS/GNU-ism, and > I'm whole-heartedly for it. You should really be spending time translating GPL to Hindi, so that you can get some coverage on linux-today :) http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-12-30-014-20-OS-SM I see religion written all over this. God help you all! -Arun