From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 11:25:55 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1674A10C for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7MIIvY15490 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZPHT403.BTZ for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:40 -0700 Message-ID: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:39 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Welcome and let the discussions begin... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/1 Hi everyone, Here is the subscriber list of this group: Members of list "li-reg": adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org thaths@netscape.com kdmurthy@vsnl.com botsie@mail.com ragu@vsnl.com vaibhav_sharma@yahoo.com girishkm@integramicro.com nv@Linuxstart.com cvr3@river-valley.com indradg@cal.vsnl.net.in sagarg@bol.net.in prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in grbhat@softhome.net 13 listed subscribers Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. I will propose tomorrow what I have in mind for this list. People can add, change and delete from my proposal. Thaths -- "You see this? [holds up Marge's hand, to permit close inspection of Marge's wedding ring] It symbolizes that she's my property, and I own her." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 12:25:07 2000 Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D160A4A133 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsnl.com ([61.1.248.70]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19382 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:01:09 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <39A2D315.D432C8CE@vsnl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:53:01 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat Organization: Power of the GNU http://www.gnu.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0-test7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... References: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/2 > please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. > I am from the Linux User Group at Cochin(Kochi). We have about 20 users' meeting regularly during the Third Sunday of every month. Our co-ordinator is J. Jacob. I have nothing to say about myself other than the fact that I have been a GNU/Linux user for the past seven years. Before that I was an Amateur Radio enthusiast and still am. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 13:49:36 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A441C4A11A for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1303 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:12:39 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13RL0V-0000GD-00 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:20:51 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:20:51 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: intro X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14754.58401.279758.928962@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/3 hi, A quick intro. Prabhu Ramachandran. You can call me Prabhu. Representative of ILUG-Chennai (ilugc). About ilugc: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ilugc meets every month (usu. on the third Saturday) at the computer center IITM. Anywhere between 20 to 45 people turn up. We have been meeting regularly since July 1998, which we believe qualifies us to be the first LUG in India or atleast the first one to meet regularly. We have a closed but unmoderated mailing list at ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in that has over 100 subscribers and a home page at www.chennailug.org (hosted by P. Asokan's company, OS4). prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 15:09:32 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B624A12B for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10525 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:07:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:07:42 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... Message-ID: <20000822150742.A10512@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com>; from thaths@netscape.com on Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 11:24:39AM -0700 X-Archive-Number: 200008/4 Hello, I'm Arun Sharma - one of the persons involved in forming the linux-india mailing list back in 96-97. I'm here as a non-voting member, trying to help with the process of the forming a nationwide LUG. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 21:27:55 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [210.212.161.102]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1A64A113 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00894 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:42 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:59:42 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... In-Reply-To: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/5 On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. I am Gurunandan Bhat from the Goa ILUG. Our LUG is small as LUGS go -- about 25 members of which around 8 meet regularly on the 4th Saturday of every month. Our meets are sponsored by the Goa Chapter of the Computer Society of India. We have a low traffic mailing list. I look forward to a productive discussion. Warm regards Gurunandan From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 21:32:12 2000 Received: from alpha.integramicro.co.in (unknown [202.142.67.95]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1726C4A22E for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kamath (kamath [192.5.2.100]) by alpha.integramicro.co.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29943 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:17 +0530 Message-ID: <003501c00cb9$963f7c80$640205c0@integramicro.co.in> From: "Girish Kamath" To: References: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:51:19 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Archive-Number: 200008/6 Hi All, Iam Girish Kamath, representing Mangalore Linux user group. I have been working on linux for past 3 years. We started only a couple of months back, and we are 8 of us, now. We are yet to start our monthly meetings, and every one is keen on it. Right now just concentrating on increasing our numbers. Regards, Girish Kamath. > > Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. I will propose > tomorrow what I have in mind for this list. People can add, change and > delete from my proposal. > > Thaths > -- From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 22:27:05 2000 Received: from rmx602-mta.mail.com (rmx602-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.51]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9711E4A158 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web301-mc.mail.com (web301-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.162]) by rmx602-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA27487 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380272016.967008347416.JavaMail.root@web301-mc.mail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Biju Chacko To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.197.178.110 X-Archive-Number: 200008/7 --- Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. Hi All, About Me: I'm Biju Chacko. I am representing ILUG Bangalore. I am it's latest co-ordinator. I have been using Linux on-and-off (mostly off) since 1994. About My LUG: ILUG-Bangalore has some 330 members on the mailing list, and about 100 attend every meet. It has existed since 1998, meets every 4th Saturday, and has been active in Linux activities in India through participation at Bangalore IT.COM and Bang!inux. It counts among it's members people who are fairly well-known in the Indian Linux scene like K. Dakshinamurthy , Atul Chitnis, Gopi Garge and several others. Biju ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 22:29:33 2000 Received: from mumbai3.mtnl.net.in (mumbai3.mtnl.net.in [203.94.227.53]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38554A158 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldcomp by mumbai3.mtnl.net.in (8.9.1/1.1.20.3/27Mar00-0611PM) id KAA0000002124; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:55:40 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <002b01c00cc3$15593de0$48ea5ecb@oldcomp> From: "G.Sagar" To: References: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Subject: intro. Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:57:10 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Archive-Number: 200008/8 Hiyall, My name is Sagar. Im from ILUG-Bombay. I started the bombay chapter along with a few other Linux enthusiasts in '97. We have 200 odd members (and growing) out of which about 30-odd attend the meets. We have a meet every month at Homi Baba Centre for Science Education (HBCSE), Trombay. I will be representing ILUG-Bom in the discussions. We have a ML, irc, and discussion board (squishdot). Our site: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in . I look forward to interesting discussions on this ML. Cheerio, Sagar. From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 23:00:35 2000 Received: from cal.vsnl.net.in (cal.vsnl.net.in [202.54.9.25]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FDB4A01B for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indradg (ppp124-31.pppcal.vsnl.net.in [203.197.124.31]) by cal.vsnl.net.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA02411 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:07:24 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <007401c00cc7$f63ea620$1f7cc5cb@cal.vsnl.net.in> From: "Indranil Das Gupta" To: References: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:34:12 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Archive-Number: 200008/9 Hi all, I am Indranil Das Gupta from ILUG-Cal . About ILUG-Cal -- ILUG-Cal was initiated on 13th January, 1999. However, 26th january 1999 -- date of our first meeting, is considered as our "official" date of formation. We have a total membership of around 130 members at present. ILUG-Cal is a bit of a misnomer in the sense that it is not just people from and around Calcutta who are its members, as it has a large number of members joining the LUG from across the entire state of WB and quite a few members from Guwahati, Aizawl and Imphal. Our endeavor is on helping the new enthusiastic users so that they don't get turned off Linux when they find the going hard. Our meetings are held on the first Sunday of every month at St. Xaviers College. Meeting attendence ~20. We are having our mailing lists and website at www.ilug-cal.org (badly needs updating) is sponsered-hosted in Canada, courtesy Sudhir Gandotra (Netshooter, Delhi) and Russell McOrmand (Flora.org, Ottawa/Canada). About myself -- I started using Linux out of curiosity around 1996 with the first PCQ Linux CD. Incidentally, a copy of Walnut Creek Slackware distro was *the* first s/w that I actually paid and bought at list price... if you know what I mean :) warm regards, --Indra. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sudhakar Chandra > Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Tue Aug 22 23:48:56 2000 Received: from web2301.mail.yahoo.com (web2301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.52]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A94BC4A0FF for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000823064740.20470.qmail@web2301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.1.17.5] by web2301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:47:40 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?VaibhaV=20Sharma?= Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/10 Hello everyone, > Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. I am representing the Indore chapter. I tried to start the group around february last year with a mailing list. The list attendence as of today is 43 which includes indorian's from all over India and some studying in USA. The meetings started around October 1999. We have had about 4 meetings till now. But have not had any meetings for quite some time now. The attendence in the meetings varied from 5 people to 32 people. Our site, which is about to be shifted to a proper hosting account, is http://indore.linux-india.org I personally started working on Linux with the first PCQ Linux CD. Then started doing small intranets (mail / proxy , etc) for the companies here in Indore and Pithampur. Now am working for a software developement company here in Indore. Looking forward to contribute as much as I can for this group. VaibhaV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 23 08:25:43 2000 Received: from blr.vsnl.net.in (blr.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968B249F6E for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from santro.subexblr.net (IDENT:root@PPP-176-20.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.176.20]) by blr.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26578 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:49:59 +0530 (IST) From: kdmurthy@vsnl.com Received: from localhost (kd@localhost) by santro.subexblr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01327 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:00:32 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: santro.subexblr.net: kd owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:00:31 +0530 (IST) X-Sender: kd@santro.subexblr.net To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: A brief Introduction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/11 Greetings: My name is Dakshinamurthy (more commonly known as KD). I was involved in starting up Linux India - more of accident than by design. I was (in)active as webmaster for the linux-india website till recently. I wish everyone involved best of luck. Warm Regards KD From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 23 12:47:48 2000 Received: from mail.jindalonline.net (unknown [202.136.128.18]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59F44A176 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linuxstart.com ([202.136.129.180]) by mail.jindalonline.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26052 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:02:12 +0530 Message-ID: <39A42616.21F5AA68@linuxstart.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:59:26 +0530 From: Naheed Vora X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: [Fwd: Welcome and let the discussions begin...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/12 Hello friends, I am Naheed Vora from Linux User's Group of Ahmedabad. Luga initiated back in October '99, rooted from an academic environment of Nirma Institute of Technology - Ahmedabad. Today round about fifty Linux enthusiast work under this umbrella, where we organize meetings, Lectures and Install Festivals on regular basis. I have been assigned the work of Event Co-ordinating, along with general web administration. Our website :- www.luga.org ( Sponsored by webmasters India ). We have closed mailing list gen-list@luga.org. Naheed Vora www.luga.org -------- Original Message -------- Hi everyone, Everyone, please introduce yourselves and your ILUG. I will propose tomorrow what I have in mind for this list. People can add, change and delete from my proposal. Thaths From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 23 13:50:05 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755854A044 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7NKcte07990 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZRJ5400.JEO for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:40 -0700 Message-ID: <39A438A4.EBE36620@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:48:36 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: The next step Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/13 Hi, First off, let me introduce myself. I am Sudhakar Chandrasekharan (just call me 'Thaths'), the current mailing list administrator of Linux India. I was one of the early subscribers to Arun's linux-india mailing list and have been with this community for the last 2 or so years. I, like Arun and KD, will Since the round of introductions are now over, let us get down to business. Here is what I forsee in the coming weeks: Week 1: Discussion about what Linux India is, what it has done to the community in India etc. We also need to discuss whether there is a need for a nation-wide non-profit organization such as Linux India. Basically, this will be reflection on the past and the present. Also discuss the roles of the ILUGs vis a vis LI. Week 2: Proposals. We are trying to come up with a constitution for LI. So anyone can propose a constitution. Each proposal needs to be seconded by at least two other people. The idea during this week is for people to work together and have 2-3 amended constitutions at the end of the week. Week 3: Open discussion on the proposed constitutions and voting. As I have indicated in the past Arun, KD and I will refrain from voting. Week 4: Tie up loose ends and announce the constitution to the rest of the world. As I have indicated in the past, this mailing listis being archived. I am planning on opening up the archives of these discussions here to the public at that point. Thaths -- "You see this? [holds up Marge's hand, to permit close inspection of Marge's wedding ring] It symbolizes that she's my property, and I own her." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 23 22:44:35 2000 Received: from rmx325-mta.mail.com (rmx325-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.53]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48F34A11F for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web142-mc.mail.com (web142-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.167]) by rmx325-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA27780 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <379720782.967095329889.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Biju Chacko To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.197.182.193 X-Archive-Number: 200008/14 These are very good guidelines. I have a couple of minor comments: --- Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > Here is what I forsee in the coming weeks: I think we should have specific dates by which each of these milestones need to be reached. I think this is necessary to keep things from degenerating to endless discussion. We in Bangalore feel the pressure of IT.com approaching. We need this to be settled well in advance of that. > I am planning on opening up the archives of these > discussions here to the public at that point. I feel that the archives should be kept as open as possible. There are a couple of reasons: 1. I agree that limited list members are necessary to keep things civilized. However I see no reason to keep the discussions private. Doing so smacks of horse-trading, politiking and other unsavoury things that happen behind closed doors. :-) 2. Being painfully conscious of my inexperience in this sort of thing, I'd be happy to get input from as many members of my LUG as possible. This would be easier if they were fully aware of the discussions on the list. Why don't you just put up the archives on a weekly basis. Or alternatively keep them completely open as with the other LI lists. Just limit posting to the current members. Of course these are just my views. I may be wrong. Biju ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 23 23:33:49 2000 Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8998C4A00E for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsnl.com ([61.1.248.109]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15527 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:49:28 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <39A4BC10.970DC508@vsnl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:39:20 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat Organization: Power of the GNU http://www.gnu.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step References: <379720782.967095329889.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/15 Biju Chacko wrote: > We in Bangalore feel the pressure of IT.com approaching. > We need this to be settled well in advance of that. > What has IT.com to do anything about this discussion of GNU/Linux in India ? Anyway, we are not going to keep IT.com in mind when we discuss things Linux......... no deadlines like this one !! We should only accept reasonable deadlines if not none. GNU/Linux has evolved with no deadlines kept in sight. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 02:45:00 2000 Received: from danube.river-valley.com (unknown [210.212.246.124]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADA34A178 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stallion.river-valley.com (cvr3@stallion.river-valley.com [192.168.1.53]) by danube.river-valley.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04384; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:15:13 +0530 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:05:09 +0530 (IST) From: Rajagopal C V To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Cc: Systems Administrator Subject: Re: Welcome and let the discussions begin... In-Reply-To: <39A2C567.8319CDDD@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/16 On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: I am C.V. Rajagopal, currently heading the software development division of Focal Image (India) Private Limited, a company registered under the Software Technology Park, Trivandrum and engaged in the development of electronic document delivery systems and TeX development work for the leading publishers such as Oxford University Press,Springer Verlag, Academic Press, Institute of Phisics etc. The company is fully powered by Linux. The only company in Trivandrum which runs linux in all it 30 plus Systems. All the development activities are centered around Open Source Softwares only. I am the Secretary of the Linux Users Group, Trivandrum. The group is well represented by both academic and professional communities. The group is rendering efficient help to the individuals and extending quality services to the companies in the Technopark in the city.The group is proud to mention that it has brought the Christ Nagar Group of Schools, a leading school in the city, under linux. We organize seminars and workshops and conduct tutorials for the novices. My interests are in Linux, Java, TeX, Perl, XML and XSL. Thanks C.V. Rajagopal From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 08:17:23 2000 Received: from rmx308-mta.mail.com (rmx308-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.43]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08B24A01E for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web304-mc.mail.com (web304-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.165]) by rmx308-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19928 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <385072317.967130154348.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Biju Chacko To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 203.197.178.220 X-Archive-Number: 200008/17 --- Raghavendra Bhat wrote: > What has IT.com to do anything about this discussion of > GNU/Linux in India ? Anyway, we are not going to keep > IT.com in mind when we discuss things Linux......... > no deadlines like this one !! You are right. IT.com is a Bangalore-specific issue. I am not demanding a deadline. I am merely suggesting that, as with any other task with a specific objective, we ought have a calendar by which we can judge the progress. My gut-feeling is that an open-ended discussion will remain just that - a discussion. > We should only accept reasonable deadlines if not none. > GNU/Linux has evolved with no deadlines kept in sight. Well, it is merely a suggestion. If you feel that some kind of target is not reasonable, by all means, let us not have them. Biju ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 11:51:44 2000 Received: from web2303.mail.yahoo.com (web2303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.66]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4E154A018 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000824185016.11425.qmail@web2303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.1.16.2] by web2303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:50:16 PDT Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?VaibhaV=20Sharma?= Subject: Re: The next step To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/18 ehlo, > we ought have a calendar by > which we can judge the > progress. Having a calender for every thing that happens on LI may not be possible but it would definitely be good to abide to some time slots as we are here to bring out something productive out of the discussions and not mere discussions. > My gut-feeling is that an open-ended > discussion will remain just > that - a discussion. > > > GNU/Linux has evolved with no deadlines kept in > sight. > Would open ended deadlines be of any use... :-) VaibhaV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 14:29:14 2000 Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B577A4A023 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7OLI2e09435 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZTFMA01.JVM for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:27:46 -0700 Message-ID: <39A59351.E9F021DD@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:27:45 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step References: <379720782.967095329889.JavaMail.root@web142-mc.mail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/19 Biju Chacko proclaimed: > --- Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > Here is what I forsee in the coming weeks: > I think we should have specific dates by which each of these milestones need > to be reached. I think this is necessary to keep things from degenerating to > endless discussion. One of the reasons I did not mention specific dates was the fact that I will be away from computers all of next week. I did not know how much poking from my end this list needed. I think we should keep it kind of hazy for the momemnt. I will act as the secretary of this list, taking down notes etc. As we proceed, things should become clearer. > Why don't you just put up the archives on a weekly basis. Or > alternatively keep them completely open as with the other LI lists. Just > limit posting to the current members. The onyl reason I might not be able to post weekly digests to LIG is that I don't have the time. Thaths -- "You see this? [holds up Marge's hand, to permit close inspection of Marge's wedding ring] It symbolizes that she's my property, and I own her." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 21:38:27 2000 Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74F44A0FD for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsnl.com ([61.1.242.28]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15545 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:14:16 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <39A5F7B4.7EC26544@vsnl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:06:04 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat Organization: Power of the GNU http://www.gnu.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LI-REG Subject: By societification, we fence ourselves in ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/20 Hello: Does not societification get us into some sort of rigid boundary ? Why define boundaries when we know not were we are headed towards to ? Have we reached a peak in an OS GNU/Linux ? What if suddenly no one is interested in GNU/Linux 'coz U have a better OS with a GNU label and a Jazz GUI which is friendlier than Linux to Install and interact with ? Then we may have nothing to propagate and beat about atleast in the India Linux User Group context. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 24 23:22:52 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805144A986 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15232 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:55:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:55:03 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: By societification, we fence ourselves in ? Message-ID: <20000824225503.A15210@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <39A5F7B4.7EC26544@vsnl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39A5F7B4.7EC26544@vsnl.com>; from ragu@vsnl.com on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:06:04AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/21 On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:06:04AM +0530, Raghavendra Bhat wrote: > interact with ? Then we may have nothing to propagate and > beat about atleast in the India Linux User Group context. Sure, Hurd or BSD could overtake Linux. But it hasn't happened today. Linux is the most supported, easiest to install OS and the one everyone is going with. If such a thing were to happen, I don't see a reason why Linux India couldn't transform itself into India. In fact, a lot of "UNIX users groups" across the world transformed themselves into LUGs, when they found out that the majority of the users had switched to Linux. The reason why we're here today discussing this is purely for administrative purposes - so that we have a legal identity. I also hope that this will lead to lesser politicking, because we'll have a formal, well balanced decision making process. People can't complain that certain vested interest is hijacking the organization for their own purposes. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 03:08:35 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [61.11.13.148]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DDC4A23A for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00832 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:39:07 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:39:07 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: The first Week: (was Re: The next step) In-Reply-To: <39A438A4.EBE36620@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/22 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > Week 1: Discussion about what Linux India is, what it has done to the > community in India etc. Currently Linux India is a website and a collection of extremely useful mailing lists (Lets me first pay obeisance to the humble SiS card for bonding this community ;)). The mailing lists and the web site have also spawned the state/city level Linux User Groups (LUGS). The birth of most local LUGs has followed a now familiar pattern: Groups of individuals living in close proximity discovered each other on the LI mailing lists; decided to meet at regular/sporadic intervals and formed LUGS. It is heartening to note that the formation of LUGS has never lead to the local group *leaving* the LI mailing lists. As a case in point, the Bangalore LUG which probably boasts of more members than all LUGS put together continues to be the largest group of subscribers (and posters) to the LI mailing list. Almost all of us seem to intuitively know what to post to LI and what to post to the LUG mailing lists. Except for some infrequent and easily ignored cases of newbie cross-posting, there has been no occasion where the interests of local LUGS have come into conflict with the interests of LI. There is a lesson in this somewhere and we need to be mindful of this. IMHO the biggest contribution of LI is that it has facilitated the formation of the LUGS. Given this, it would be sad and unfortunate if LUGS, in their eagerness to formalise, went about this process alone and without any coordination at the national level with other LUGS. This is not to point fingers or isolate those LUGS that have registered, who I am sure, have had compelling reasons to do so. It is only to emphasise that we ignore our origins at our own peril. > We also need to discuss whether there is a need for a nation-wide > non-profit organization such as Linux India. I am firmly convinced that there is. I am aware that there have been serious objections/doubts expressed in various LUG mailing lists (Bombay, Hyderabad, Indore and probably Trivandrum/Cochin (I am not sure of the last one)) about the formation of LI as an "apex" body that would coordinate Linux related events/opportunities/resources at the national level. IMHO these objections stem from mistaken/misunderstood notions about what LI aims to achieve/facilitate and how. If we are reasonably clear about these aims and the manner of their implementation, much of the objection to the formation of LI would wither away. As I said before, each one of us has a fair idea about what goes to the LI mailing list and what goes to the LUG mailing lists. Similarly, we are equally intuitive about what goes on the LI web-site and what goes on the LUG web-site. Very few of us would have doubts about which events need to be coordinated at the LUG level and which at the national level. Given that we pride ourselves on the ability to recognise when to use Perl and when Python, the decision about "what goes where" and "who does what" should be a piece of cake. > Basically, this will be reflection on the past and the present. Also > discuss the roles of the ILUGs vis a vis LI. I hope I have. With warm regards Gurunandan (for the Goa LUG) From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 10:28:39 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [61.11.13.52]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4537E4A204 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00858 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:58:41 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:58:41 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: <385072317.967130154348.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/23 On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Biju Chacko wrote: > Raghavendra Bhat wrote: > > > What has IT.com to do anything about this discussion of > > GNU/Linux in India ? > > You are right. IT.com is a Bangalore-specific issue. I disagree. Let me tell you why. If I wasn't so pine-challenged, I would have quoted Thaths' original request too. The one that suggested that we discuss what LI had done till date. IT.com is a premier *national* IT event important for two reasons: 1) It showcases the state of IT in the country and attracts some of the top vendors in this sector, not just those that operate from Bangalore. Equally, it brings together IT workers from around the country, not just from Bangalore. Anyone who attended last years event would have no doubt about the scale and importance of this event. 2) Second and more importantly, IT.com gives us an opportunity to showcase Linux (or GNU/Linux) along with some of the best software products to a national audience. Last year, and by all accounts this year too, Cyber Media (publishers of PC Quest) have sponsored a pavillion (not a stall, a pavillion) to showcase Linux at this event. At the Linux Pavillion, last year, lakhs of people got an opportunity to watch Linux at work and play. Hardware vendors lent some of their best and top of the line products to our Pavillion. IBM gave three Netfinities, Compaq gave more than 10 Pentiums, DEC gave a few (2 I think) Alphas, Wipro and SGI gave their high-end PCs. There were iMACS too. There was one thing common to all these forty and odd different machines. They all ran Linux (or GNU/Linux). Apart from these, vendors lent high-end network hardware like switches, bridges and hubs. Photographs recording the Linux frenzy during last years IT.com were available on the LI website after this event. I might add, that the Linux Pavillion also hosted a series of lecdems (Lecture Demonstrations) throught the visiting hours explaining and illustrating different facets of GNU/Linux Now for the connection between IT.com and LI. Atul Chitnis who coordinates PC Quest's Linux Initiative announced on the LI mailing list and the LI web-site about the Linux Pavillion at IT.com and requested volunteers to help manage this event. Many subscribers of the LI mailing list volunteered for this event and travelled and stayed in Bangalore at their own cost. Kishore Bhargava and Raj Mathur came from Delhi. Indraneel travelled from Calcutta and Shanu came from Cochin (or is it Trivandrum?). I was there with three others from Goa. There was a contingent from Manasgangotri (Mysore), but I forget their names. There were many others, some from Bombay, some from Pune. Like the different hardware on display, there was only one thing common between all of us. We were all subscribers to the LI mailing list. Would you still call IT.com Bangalore specific or hold that it has nothing to do with LI, or that IT.com is not important for Linux in India? Now about your earlier suggestion that we keep one eye on Nov. 1 (the date on which IT.com begins), I agree. If we do complete the registration formalities before this date, IT.com would once again provide a platform for all GNU/Linux enthusiasts to meet and exchange views. With the bonding that personal meetings bring, we wont be a a mailing list or a web-site anymore. We will have an ideal platform to forge a community. Think about that. Having said that, please note that I am not suggesting any dilution in, or compromise with, the depth or completeness of our debate merely to stick to this date. On the other hand it would be unfair to deny the importance of events like IT.com or bangl!nux to Linux in India With warm regards Gurunandan From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 12:32:05 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4AD4A00E for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1928 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:54:51 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SPDF-0000Uo-00 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:02:25 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:02:24 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: The first Week: (was Re: The next step) In-Reply-To: References: <39A438A4.EBE36620@netscape.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14758.48346.961250.866271@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/24 hi, >>>>> "Bhat" == Gurunandan R Bhat writes: Bhat> Currently Linux India is a website and a collection of Bhat> extremely useful mailing lists (Lets me first pay obeisance Regarding the webisite: the folks in charge of the web page at www.linux-india.org never seem to update the darned pages. The Chapters page is _terrible_. We have sent umpteen number of requests to update the links and even provided the relevant information but _nothing_ has been done. Go look there now and you will see totally outdated info for ilugc. This is unacceptable. ILUGC was one of the first to become a LUG and meet on a regular basis. It is painful to see the most visible linux site of India say what it has to say about ILUGC. I have no idea about the other LUG's but I am sure the situation is similar. Only recently has the city wide link been added (Aug 7, 2000). This is way too late. The first thing that LI needs to do is keep the web pages up to date and have a webmaster who is not already overburdened with work. I admit that this is a hard job so we need to choose someone who doesnt have other LUG/LI related responsibilities. I certainly don't want any of the members of this list to be in charge either. This point needs to be taken seriously. There was a person from the Singapore LUG who came to Chennai but had no clue about us since the LI web pages were messed up and he consequently missed a meeting. I see _absolutely_ no point in any kind of formalisation if we cannot even maintain an up to date web page. Keeping a web page with a lot of local LUG news would certainly strengthen all of our LUGs. The advantages are enormous. Bhat> The mailing lists and the web site have also spawned the Bhat> state/city level Linux User Groups (LUGS). The birth of most Bhat> local LUGs has followed a now familiar pattern: Groups of Bhat> individuals living in close proximity discovered each other Bhat> on the LI mailing lists; decided to meet at regular/sporadic Bhat> intervals and formed LUGS. Bhat> It is heartening to note that the formation of LUGS has Bhat> never lead to the local group *leaving* the LI mailing Bhat> lists. As a case in point, the Bangalore LUG which probably Bhat> boasts of more members than all LUGS put together continues Bhat> to be the largest group of subscribers (and posters) to the Bhat> LI mailing list. Almost all of us seem to intuitively know Bhat> what to post to LI and what to post to the LUG mailing Bhat> lists. Except for some infrequent and easily ignored cases Bhat> of newbie cross-posting, there has been no occasion where Bhat> the interests of local LUGS have come into conflict with the Bhat> interests of LI. There is a lesson in this somewhere and we Bhat> need to be mindful of this. IMHO the biggest contribution of Bhat> LI is that it has facilitated the formation of the LUGS. Absolutely, the LI mailing list certainly grouped us all into LUG's. This as you say is one of the most important things that LI has done. But I disagree with you on fragmentation. In my experience after ILUGC I have lost a lot of contact with LI. It is simply too much mail. I am on too many lists already and have enough work for the local LUG (mailing list admin, organiser for the meetings, etc.). Bhat> Given this, it would be sad and unfortunate if LUGS, in Bhat> their eagerness to formalise, went about this process alone Bhat> and without any coordination at the national level with Bhat> other LUGS. This is not to point fingers or isolate those Bhat> LUGS that have registered, who I am sure, have had Bhat> compelling reasons to do so. It is only to emphasise that we Bhat> ignore our origins at our own peril. Getting out of the LI-help mailing list is not necessarily a bad thing. It is easier to communicate with a smaller group than it is to shout in a crowd. As far as a newbie is concerned it is useful to initially be part of a larger list but once you become a little savvy it is optimal to be part of a smaller group. Here are some things to note: (*) It is important for LUG's to somehow keep in touch. (*) It is impossible for all of us to individually keep in touch with every ILUG. (*) A web page is wonderful for this kind of thing. (*) This is also doable by having some of the LUG regulars join a special mailing list dedicated to keeping in touch. Members there can post information their LUG's activities and meetings there. IMHO, any other methodology would be wasteful. >> We also need to discuss whether there is a need for a >> nation-wide non-profit organization such as Linux India. Bhat> I am firmly convinced that there is. I am aware that there Bhat> have been serious objections/doubts expressed in various LUG Bhat> mailing lists (Bombay, Hyderabad, Indore and probably Bhat> Trivandrum/Cochin (I am not sure of the last one)) about the Bhat> formation of LI as an "apex" body that would coordinate Bhat> Linux related events/opportunities/resources at the national Bhat> level. I think that a nationwide LI thing is fine so long as we dont forget the basics and dont get stuck with formalities. Bhat> IMHO these objections stem from mistaken/misunderstood Bhat> notions about what LI aims to achieve/facilitate and how. If Bhat> we are reasonably clear about these aims and the manner of Bhat> their implementation, much of the objection to the formation Bhat> of LI would wither away. As I said before, each one of us Agreed. Bhat> has a fair idea about what goes to the LI mailing list and Bhat> what goes to the LUG mailing lists. Similarly, we are Bhat> equally intuitive about what goes on the LI web-site and Bhat> what goes on the LUG web-site. Very few of us would have You have me lost here. It is a long while since I left the LI mailing list. :) Bhat> doubts about which events need to be coordinated at the LUG Bhat> level and which at the national level. Given that we pride Bhat> ourselves on the ability to recognise when to use Perl and Bhat> when Python, the decision about "what goes where" and "who Bhat> does what" should be a piece of cake. Sure, we all know that if you want cryptic code - write it in perl. ;-) regards, prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 12:53:09 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9E34A172 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1517 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:15:58 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SPXj-0000VA-00 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:23:35 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:23:35 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: References: <385072317.967130154348.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14758.51718.24676.807224@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/25 hi, >>>>> "Bhat" == Gurunandan R Bhat writes: Bhat> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Biju Chacko wrote: >> Raghavendra Bhat wrote: >> >> > What has IT.com to do anything about this discussion of > >> GNU/Linux in India ? >> >> You are right. IT.com is a Bangalore-specific issue. Bhat> I disagree. Let me tell you why. If I wasn't so Bhat> pine-challenged, I would have quoted Thaths' original Bhat> request too. The one that suggested that we discuss what LI Bhat> had done till date. Bhat> IT.com is a premier *national* IT event important for two Bhat> reasons: Yes, it is a national event. But it is certainly advantageous to the B'lore LUG. I cannot afford to come to IT.com (you know how Grad students are paid in India) and know a whole lot of people who cannot make it. So it is national event but it most certainly will be a BLUG show. Nothing wrong about that either. Bhat> 1) It showcases the state of IT in the country and attracts Bhat> some of the top vendors in this sector, not just those that Bhat> operate from Bangalore. Equally, it brings together IT Bhat> workers from around the country, not just from Bhat> Bangalore. Anyone who attended last years event would have Bhat> no doubt about the scale and importance of this event. Please remember not every one is an IT worker. :) Bhat> 2) Second and more importantly, IT.com gives us an Bhat> opportunity to showcase Linux (or GNU/Linux) along with some Bhat> Demonstrations) throught the visiting hours explaining and Bhat> illustrating different facets of GNU/Linux Bhat> Now for the connection between IT.com and LI. Atul Chitnis Bhat> who coordinates PC Quest's Linux Initiative announced on the Bhat> LI mailing list and the LI web-site about the Linux Bhat> or hold that it has nothing to do with LI, or that IT.com is Bhat> not important for Linux in India? Almost all of these folks are IT workers or are rich enough to afford it, right? This is certainly not a complete representation of LI. Bhat> Now about your earlier suggestion that we keep one eye on Bhat> Nov. 1 (the date on which IT.com begins), I agree. If we do Bhat> complete the registration formalities before this date, Bhat> IT.com would once again provide a platform for all GNU/Linux Bhat> enthusiasts to meet and exchange views. With the bonding Bhat> that personal meetings bring, we wont be a a mailing list or Bhat> a web-site anymore. We will have an ideal platform to forge Bhat> a community. Think about that. Only a few can actually meet and only a smaller number actually work. Neither are representative of everybody. Take K. Arun for instance. Today, he would be completely unknow at LI (except for the old timers). People meet each other at IT.com too may not remember him or me. But he is well known as the one of the founders of ILUGC in Chennai. I hope you get my point. IT.com doesnt bring together people who are reresentative of the various LUG's. People who can come there meet. That is all. Bangalore is ILUGB area. Period. Chennai is ILUGC area. Period. I digress, but the point is really, IT.com doesnt _really_ matter to LI. I dont think it makes sense to hurry decisions for it. OTOH deadlines are good. Bhat> Having said that, please note that I am not suggesting any Bhat> dilution in, or compromise with, the depth or completeness Bhat> of our debate merely to stick to this date. On the other Bhat> hand it would be unfair to deny the importance of events Bhat> like IT.com or bangl!nux to Linux in India Point taken. They certainly are important to Linux in India. ILUGB represents LI in Bangalore. That is all. LI has to accept that. Actually, the crux of the whole formalisation deal is this: Does ILUG{B,C,} represent LI? Does LI think that LUGs represnt it? If they both _honestly_ answer in the affirmative. Then we are already a cohesive unit? :) regds, prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 13:21:11 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3908B4A10F for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16594 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:19:24 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Thoughts about constitution Message-ID: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Archive-Number: 200008/26 One of the things that we'll have to decide about is where to draw the line between local lug and LI. Something along the lines of state subjects and federal subjects :) My thoughts: - Local lugs - queries of local interests - where do I get a CD - who sells linux compatible machines etc - local jobs - technical queries that can be answered locally - LI - nationwide events like IT.COM - advocacy/mass support issues - technical queries which couldn't be dealt with locally - inter ilug activity Feel free to add/delete to/from the list. Another RFC: Operating mode: - Each ILUG elects its representatives, who represent the ILUG in LI. The number could be more than 1. - The membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG members the representitive represents. Comments ? -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 13:25:39 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3054A115 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16643 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:23:55 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Oops, I jumped the gun (Re: Thoughts about constitution) Message-ID: <20000825132355.A16631@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org>; from adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 01:19:24PM -0700 X-Archive-Number: 200008/27 On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 01:48:36PM -0700, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > Here is what I forsee in the coming weeks: > > Week 1: Discussion about what Linux India is, what it has done to the > community in India etc. We also need to discuss whether there is a need > for a nation-wide non-profit organization such as Linux India. Basically, > this will be reflection on the past and the present. Also discuss the > roles of the ILUGs vis a vis LI. > > Week 2: Proposals. We are trying to come up with a constitution for LI. > So anyone can propose a constitution. Each proposal needs to be seconded > by at least two other people. The idea during this week is for people to > work together and have 2-3 amended constitutions at the end of the week. I guess we're still in week 1. But some of the contents of my mail are still relevant for the week 1 discussion. Read the rest of my mail in week 2 :) -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 13:39:04 2000 Received: from smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com (smtp3.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.135]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BBA64A12B for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-210-214-32-70.bom.sify.net (HELO vaibhav) (210.214.32.70) by smtp3.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 20:37:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00d901c00ed4$60de2240$4620d6d2@vaibhav> From: "VaibhaV Sharma" To: References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:08:04 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Archive-Number: 200008/28 Hello, Would it be possible to look for and maintain a list / database of companies / institutions using or working on Linux on the local as well as national level. Well, this would obv. have to be done voluntarily by local LUG's. I think this would help in an estimation of the activities related to Linux in the corporate world and the other places where Linux is REALLY put to use and not just on a home machine. as for the points.... > - Local lugs > > - queries of local interests > - where do I get a CD > - who sells linux compatible machines etc > - local jobs > - technical queries that can be answered locally > as such, activities can also be decided locally depending on the resources that the LUG has and then maybe that be adapted by other LUG's with mutual coordination. > - LI > > - nationwide events like IT.COM > - advocacy/mass support issues > - technical queries which couldn't be dealt with locally > - inter ilug activity > Can be added to the LI list..... - Guidelines / tips / HOWTO on initiating / running / maintaining a LUG - Jobs in the national scenario ;) VaibhaV _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 14:05:09 2000 Received: from smtp1b.mail.yahoo.com (smtp3.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.135]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 073D44A164 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-210-214-32-70.bom.sify.net (HELO vaibhav) (210.214.32.70) by smtp3.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 21:03:34 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00ef01c00ed8$03be45a0$4620d6d2@vaibhav> From: "VaibhaV Sharma" To: References: <385072317.967130154348.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> <14758.51718.24676.807224@monster.linux.in> Subject: Re: The next step Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:34:06 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Archive-Number: 200008/29 ehlo, > Yes, it is a national event. But it is certainly advantageous > to the B'lore LUG. I cannot afford to come to IT.com (you know how > Grad students are paid in India) and know a whole lot of people who > cannot make it. So it is national event but it most certainly will be > a BLUG show. Nothing wrong about that either. > Take it this way..... what if the big event was happening in Delhi (Pragati Maidan :-) ) with the same enthusiasm and response and importance and not in Bangalore. Would we then say that it was a ILUG-Delhi specific event?? Is it a choice of ILUGB that the event is happening in Bangalore? The point is that we ought to look for opportunities like this and not crib on others just because we wont be able to attend the event. Even I missed the Bang! Linux event bec. of similar problems. Obv. not everyone is lucky enough to attend events like this but would blaming bangalore or ilug bangalore do any help? > > > Almost all of these folks are IT workers or are rich enough to > afford it, right? This is certainly not a complete representation of > LI. > > > Aren't we going off topic on this list?? Shouldn't we shift this thread to LIG?? > --------------------------------------- > Please respect the privacy of this list. And may we respect the aim of this list too? VaibhaV _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 14:07:14 2000 Received: from cal.vsnl.net.in (cal.vsnl.net.in [202.54.9.25]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20AB4A16C for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indradg (ppp116-73.pppcal.vsnl.net.in [203.197.116.73]) by cal.vsnl.net.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA01391 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:13:47 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <01a601c00ed8$e6856300$4974c5cb@cal.vsnl.net.in> From: "Indranil Das Gupta" To: References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 02:40:29 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Archive-Number: 200008/30 Hi, ----- Original Message ----- From: Arun Sharma To: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 1:49 AM Subject: [LI-Reg] Thoughts about constitution > - LI > > - nationwide events like IT.COM How about a LI national convention that can be held in different parts of the country each year? > Another RFC: > > - The membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG members > the representitive represents. Not totally clear what you meant... but what would be the base of such counting? For example, at ILUG-Cal one is considered to be a member if one is member of the mailing list or attends the meetings (to allow for ppl who are not online yet) or both. What may be the criteria of counting members... for instance, people whose names are in the ILUG- membership roster?? If specify weigthage is to be given, then who verfies the actuals and more importantly *how*? Anyone thought of anything on this... --Indra. From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 15:53:12 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD01D4A16A for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16824 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:51:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:51:27 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution Message-ID: <20000825155127.A16784@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> <01a601c00ed8$e6856300$4974c5cb@cal.vsnl.net.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <01a601c00ed8$e6856300$4974c5cb@cal.vsnl.net.in>; from indradg@cal.vsnl.net.in on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:40:29AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/31 On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:40:29AM +0530, Indranil Das Gupta wrote: > > > - The membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG members > > the representitive represents. > > Not totally clear what you meant... but what would be the base of > such counting? For example, at ILUG-Cal one is considered to be a > member if one is member of the mailing list or attends the meetings > (to allow for ppl who are not online yet) or both. What may be the > criteria of counting members... I would really defer the discussion on this till week 2, as proposed by thaths. But to clarify what I said - some reasonable, agreed upon method of establishing that a certain person exists and is a member of a particular ILUG. Otherwise, we'll end up with some kind of vote rigging, which is all too familiar :) -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 20:24:28 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [61.11.13.202]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DEB4A043 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00734 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:54:08 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:54:08 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution In-Reply-To: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/32 On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Arun Sharma wrote: > Operating mode: > > - Each ILUG elects its representatives, who represent the ILUG in LI. Agree. > The number could be more than 1. > - The membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG members Tricky. Membership figures are not static and can change from time to time. Best to have a fixed number - 1 or 2. Since LI would coordinate events/opportunities of interest to all, lets not leave it to large LUGS to dictate policy Regards Gurunandan From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 20:25:50 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [61.11.13.202]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F6A4A04C for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00730 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:40:11 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:40:11 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: <14758.51718.24676.807224@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/33 On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > I cannot afford to come to IT.com (you know how Grad students are paid > in India) and know a whole lot of people who cannot make it. [snipped] > Almost all of these folks are IT workers or are rich enough to > afford it, right? This is certainly not a complete representation of > LI. Agreed. Now imagine, LI as a national body with funds at its disposal - raised from sponsorships/donations/endorsements, or even from cash rich local LUGS - whatever we agree on. We would then be able to sponsor 2 or 3 guys from local LUGS to attend such events. One more point in favour of registration/formalisation, I think. Regards, Gurunandan From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 22:05:21 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B5B4A0A9 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 72 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:25:01 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SY72-0000IZ-00 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:32:36 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:32:36 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: <00ef01c00ed8$03be45a0$4620d6d2@vaibhav> References: <385072317.967130154348.JavaMail.root@web304-mc.mail.com> <14758.51718.24676.807224@monster.linux.in> <00ef01c00ed8$03be45a0$4620d6d2@vaibhav> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14759.19667.784178.831448@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/34 hi, >>>>> "VaibhaV" == VaibhaV Sharma writes: VaibhaV> Is it a choice of ILUGB that the event is happening in VaibhaV> Bangalore? The point is that we ought to look for VaibhaV> opportunities like this and not crib on others just VaibhaV> because we wont be able to attend the event. Even I VaibhaV> missed the Bang! Linux event bec. of similar VaibhaV> problems. Obv. not everyone is lucky enough to attend VaibhaV> events like this but would blaming bangalore or ilug VaibhaV> bangalore do any help? You missed my point, completely. I did not crib about the fact that ILUGB gets to have the lions share during IT.com. All I said was that it is completely natural to for them to host it because they represent us! I quote myself here. --- "...cannot make it. So it is national event but it most certainly will be a BLUG show. Nothing wrong about that either." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- VaibhaV> Aren't we going off topic on this list?? Shouldn't we VaibhaV> shift this thread to LIG?? I dont think so. The original point was about IT.com and fixing a date for us to finalize the plans. I just had to have my say. I was merely arguing that IT.com does in a sense become a Bangalore specific issue. That certainly is not bad. And I have nothing against it. OTOH if ILUGB did nothing for IT.com I would be surprised and rather upset. I hope you get what I was saying. I quote myself again. --- "IT.com doesnt bring together people who are reresentative of the various LUG's. People who can come there meet. That is all. Bangalore is ILUGB area. Period. Chennai is ILUGC area. Period. I digress, but the point is really, IT.com doesnt _really_ matter to LI. I dont think it makes sense to hurry decisions for it. OTOH deadlines are good." --- So basically my point is - let the decision process be independant of IT.com. If it does finish before IT.com, fine. prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 23:02:32 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7614A042 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1022 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:38:20 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SYJx-0000Iw-00 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:45:57 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:45:57 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Thoughts about constitution In-Reply-To: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14759.20913.732772.998506@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/35 hi, >>>>> "Arun" == Arun Sharma writes: Arun> to draw the line between local lug and LI. Something along Arun> the lines of state subjects and federal subjects :) Nice analogy. Arun> - Local lugs Arun> - queries of local interests - where do I get a CD - Arun> who sells linux compatible machines etc - local jobs - Arun> technical queries that can be answered locally Arun> - LI Arun> - nationwide events like IT.COM - advocacy/mass Arun> support issues - technical queries which couldn't be dealt Arun> with locally - inter ilug activity Yes, this sounds good. I am for a separate list that is concerned with inter lug interaction. A large technical cum inter lug list can get pretty noisy. Arun> Feel free to add/delete to/from the list. Arun> Another RFC: Arun> Operating mode: Arun> - Each ILUG elects its representatives, who represent the Arun> ILUG in LI. The number could be more than 1. - The Arun> membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG Arun> members the representitive represents. I agree with Gurunandan Bhat. For now do we necessarily need to represent the volume of the local list? We could have more subscribers but if we need to vote why not have one or two people per LUG? If later there are problems with this we can change it. prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Fri Aug 25 23:02:44 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59394A032 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1357 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:34:11 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SYFn-0000Iu-00 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:41:39 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:41:38 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: References: <14758.51718.24676.807224@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14759.20473.752606.175609@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/36 hi, >>>>> "Gurunandan" == Gurunandan R Bhat writes: >> Almost all of these folks are IT workers or are rich enough to >> afford it, right? This is certainly not a complete >> representation of LI. Gurunandan> Agreed. Now imagine, LI as a national body with funds Gurunandan> at its disposal - raised from Gurunandan> sponsorships/donations/endorsements, or even from cash Gurunandan> rich local LUGS - whatever we agree on. We would then Gurunandan> be able to sponsor 2 or 3 guys from local LUGS to Gurunandan> attend such events. One more point in favour of Gurunandan> registration/formalisation, I think. Good point. It is worthwhile doing but how hard is it to actually do that? How do we get funding? These are all serious issues and I dont know if we even want to generate revenue? Does this smack of too much formality? We really need to think about these issues. prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Aug 26 22:10:01 2000 Received: from blr.vsnl.net.in (blr.vsnl.net.in [202.54.12.6]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9184A1EF for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkstar.moria (root@PPP-177-159.bng.vsnl.net.in [203.197.177.159]) by blr.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25067 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:34:01 +0530 (IST) Received: (from botsie@localhost) by darkstar.moria (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id KAA00387 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:27:18 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: darkstar.moria: botsie set sender to botsie@mail.com using -f Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:27:17 +0530 From: Biju Chacko To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution Message-ID: <20000827102717.D328@darkstar.vsnl.net.in> Reply-To: Biju Chacko References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org>; from adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 01:19:24PM -0700 Organization: Systems Plus Pvt Ltd. X-Archive-Number: 200008/37 ---On 25/08/00 13:19 -0700, Arun Sharma wrote: > One of the things that we'll have to decide about is where to draw > the line between local lug and LI. Something along the lines of > state subjects and federal subjects :) > - Each ILUG elects its representatives, who represent the ILUG in LI. > The number could be more than 1. > - The membership would be weighted by the number of local ILUG members > the representitive represents. The question of representation and how it should be structured can really only decided after we understand what these representatives have to do. That can only be decided after some aims and objectives of LI are clearly stated. As of now I am unclear as to what an all-India organisation will do that cannot be achieved by individual LUGs. Can we start by determining what an all-India organisation will be doing? Somebody please enlighten me on this. Biju -- Biju "Botsie" Chacko | editor at spluspl dot com | botsie at mail dot com Every absurdity has a champion who will defend it. From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sat Aug 26 22:46:06 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAF94A01E for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20961; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:44:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:44:14 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: Biju Chacko Cc: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution Message-ID: <20000826224414.A20953@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> <20000827102717.D328@darkstar.vsnl.net.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000827102717.D328@darkstar.vsnl.net.in>; from botsie@mail.com on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:27:17AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/38 On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:27:17AM +0530, Biju Chacko wrote: > Can we start by determining what an all-India organisation will be > doing? Somebody please enlighten me on this. This was the first RFC in my email. I attempted to list the things which a local ILUG would do and what LI would do. Feel free to add/delete from a list or an alternative proposal. I apologize for posting stuff outside the agenda that was set for the week. Let us try to keep the discussion crisp and focussed. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Sun Aug 27 12:26:39 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9E4A2E0 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 787 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:49:08 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13T84n-0000FF-00 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:56:41 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:56:41 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Thoughts about constitution In-Reply-To: <20000826224414.A20953@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000825131924.A16583@sharmas.dhs.org> <20000827102717.D328@darkstar.vsnl.net.in> <20000826224414.A20953@sharmas.dhs.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14761.26086.806460.112042@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/39 hi, >>>>> "Arun" == Arun Sharma writes: Arun> I apologize for posting stuff outside the agenda that was Arun> set for the week. Let us try to keep the discussion crisp Arun> and focussed. I also apologize for going off tangent. Loss of sleep and anger make poor writing easy. :) Here are a few points I think we need to settle first before doing anything. (1) Why do we need a national level body? If it is to just keep in touch, no formality is required. We can just have a dedicated mailing list. If the need arises issues can be settled there. If it is to manage national linux related events, well, that is rather hard. I'd like to think of LUG's as more informal groups. As one member at ILUGC put it, some of us would like to think of LI/Local LUG's as clubs of people who share a common passion for an open source (put your favourite choice of words here) OS. Putting a formal body seems to destroy that spirit. (2) I think some of us need some history lessons. :) Why did this deal of creating a non profit organisation come up at all? (3) What is wrong currently? What problems do we foresee?? (a) Do we have issues between LUGs right now? Or do we foresee ones in the future? (b) Are we ever going to organize events on a huge national scale as LI? i.e. Is LI going to organize a national event on linux? (4) What _exactly_ is the charter of LI (or is that what we have to see here)? (a) What do we want from such an organisation? (b) Are we doing the job right now?? That's all I can think of right now. prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 30 10:11:16 2000 Received: from suman.greenfields.universe (unknown [61.11.13.125]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA75B4A190 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grbhat@localhost) by suman.greenfields.universe (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01694 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:38:26 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: suman.greenfields.universe: grbhat owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:38:26 +0530 (IST) From: "Gurunandan R. Bhat" X-Sender: grbhat@suman.greenfields.universe To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200008/40 Yooo hooo. Anybody home? Gurunandan From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Wed Aug 30 10:12:43 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D754A03E for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31735 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:10:42 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: The next step Message-ID: <20000830101041.A31726@sharmas.dhs.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from grbhat@softhome.net on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:38:26PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/41 On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:38:26PM +0530, Gurunandan R. Bhat wrote: > > Yooo hooo. Anybody home? > Week 2 ? I guess we can start discussing the constitution. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 10:54:14 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40464A1AF for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01386 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:52:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:52:06 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Could we resume the discussion ? Message-ID: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Archive-Number: 200008/42 on the weightage by membership issue ? The primary thing I'm trying to address is, the vote of a ILUG representing 5 people, overriding that of a member representing 100 people. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 11:22:52 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B570549FF0 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 538 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:44:45 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13UYyE-0000K6-00 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:51:50 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:51:50 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Could we resume the discussion ? In-Reply-To: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/43 hi, >>>>> "Arun" == Arun Sharma writes: Arun> on the weightage by membership issue ? The primary thing Arun> I'm trying to address is, the vote of a ILUG representing 5 Arun> people, overriding that of a member representing 100 people. Do we want a democracy here? Is it a better option to have an upper limit. Something like < 100 == 1, > 100 == 2?? this way we have more members from larger lists and dont have small LUGs being overshadowed by larger ones. But before we get to this what is LI going to do? Do we need to have a formal organisation at all? What are the advantages? Advantages: 1) Greater communication (this doesnt need a formal org though). 2) Possibility of generating revenue and thereby do certain things. See disadvantages too. 3) Solve inter LUG problems?? 4) Item 1 enables easier distribn of CD's. 5) LI will due to the above be a much more cohesive body. 6) This is more of a question - are there legal or other advantages that we get if we become a formal org. Disadvantages: 1) More work. :) 2) Generating revenue has its disadvantages. It has to be spent properly, kept properly and obtained properly. It means more of disadvantage 1 and requires planning etc. This can be quite a pain? 3) Inter LUG wars shouldnt occur. If they do, God help us! For I have no idea if a small group of LI people can really help? OTOH, it cant hurt if there are people who do try to help. So in all, to me it seems that it is enough if we form an informal group who keep the various LUG's in touch. Formality is not necessary as of now. What do the rest of you think? prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 12:49:40 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCAA4A108 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01517 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:47:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:47:30 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? Message-ID: <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in>; from prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 11:51:50PM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/44 On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 11:51:50PM +0530, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > > So in all, to me it seems that it is enough if we form an informal > group who keep the various LUG's in touch. Formality is not necessary > as of now. > If we need to deal with money, we have to be formal and legal. There are a lot of commercial interests tied to the success of linux in India. They have a legitimate (IMO) request in asking that LI be formalized and legalized. If we continue to be an informal group, we risk the danger of a split along the commercial vs informal guys. BTW, I saw mostly positive and very few negative points for the formation of a legal body in your list. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 13:09:11 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6254A108 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 465 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:26:42 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13UaZ3-0000PI-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:33:57 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:33:57 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? In-Reply-To: <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14766.47312.378416.684634@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/45 hi, >>>>> "Arun" == Arun Sharma writes: Arun> If we need to deal with money, we have to be formal and Arun> legal. There are a lot of commercial interests tied to the Arun> success of linux in India. They have a legitimate (IMO) Arun> request in asking that LI be formalized and legalized. Ahhh. Was waiting for a statement like this. If this IS the case then fine. So LI is about money. I want to know: What money? how money? Whose money?? I have no problems with this but would like to know the actual reasons. Everyone seems to be very busy now. :( Arun> If we continue to be an informal group, we risk the danger Arun> of a split along the commercial vs informal guys. Arun> BTW, I saw mostly positive and very few negative points for Arun> the formation of a legal body in your list. Yes, I noticed that. What I meant was that all of those advantages could be achieved informally too (save one point). I did not know that some folks were seriously intersted in making it formal. prabhu From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 19:37:54 2000 Received: from giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (giasmd01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.1]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD934A03B for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vsnl.com ([61.1.234.103]) by giasmd01.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13963 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:13:28 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <39AF1551.6E8FF915@vsnl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:02:49 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat Organization: Power of the GNU http://www.gnu.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test8 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200008/46 Arun Sharma wrote: > If we need to deal with money, we have to be formal and legal. > Where was the money when LI was first formed ? No money then 'coz it was just catching on. Now some see money...as Prabhu said "Whose money ?" Suddenly the idea of formalization and that too, many wanting this process to be hurried through with speed; connecting this to a very insignificant issue called an IT.com. Shucks..this reeks of death, maybe the beginning of a legally certified death. When money comes in, legality has to come in; so that we can sue someone/some person to keep our money ?? Within a legal framework, one has to be rigid and formal. I am not saying that we should/can break laws by banding ourselves as an informal group. I am echoing the point that the FREEDOM that we enjoy/enjoyed is going to be compromised by submitting ourselves to a rigid legal structure...a legal frame which we have to limit ourselves to. Mark and register my protest on this count. We need not be formal and legal to continue with what we are doing now. > They have a legitimate (IMO) request in asking that LI be formalized > and legalized. > Who are the fellows U call as "they" ? U are implying that we have already got a formal and an informal group, otherwise this "they" would never creep in. It seems that U are going by "their" word. Now we are clear that Arun Sharma, one of our founding (communicating) members is being led by his nose by "them". We have a minimal right to know..."Why?" > If we continue to be an informal group, we risk the danger of a split > along the commercial vs informal guys. > Let it come, now that U have said it. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 22:12:35 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AED4A046 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02265 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:10:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:10:24 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? Message-ID: <20000831221024.A2245@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.47312.378416.684634@monster.linux.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14766.47312.378416.684634@monster.linux.in>; from prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:33:57AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/47 On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:33:57AM +0530, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > Ahhh. Was waiting for a statement like this. If this IS the > case then fine. So LI is about money. LI is not about money. But it needs to be able to handle money. > I want to know: What money? how money? Whose money?? Money that corporates could donate. You see it everyday: IBM, HP, Intel etc donated money to form a linux lab. They may have their vested interests. But who cares as long as it is used for noble purposes ? It could also be money donated by people like you and me - small amounts, but it all adds up. > > I have no problems with this but would like to know the actual > reasons. And if you have any doubts/reservations about how the money is going to be used, feel free to make suggestions about how it should be used. But the position that we won't touch any money is not a viable, IMO. Again, you may disagree - you're entitled to your opinion. > Yes, I noticed that. What I meant was that all of those > advantages could be achieved informally too (save one point). I did > not know that some folks were seriously intersted in making it formal. There is a lot of suspicion and mistrust about some people hijacking Linux India for their own purposes. This leads people to make their own plans about countering such moves. Results ? Lots of emails, time and energy spent which could be used in a constructive way. By moving this process forward in a focussed and timely manner, we can put all that to rest and get on with our lives. Think about it - Red cross and CRY are legal entities. They have to be so in order to function. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 22:19:54 2000 Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DEE4A025 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by sharmas.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02292 for li-reg@lists.linux-india.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:17:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:17:44 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? Message-ID: <20000831221744.B2245@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> <39AF1551.6E8FF915@vsnl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39AF1551.6E8FF915@vsnl.com>; from ragu@vsnl.com on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:02:49AM +0530 X-Archive-Number: 200008/48 On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:02:49AM +0530, Raghavendra Bhat wrote: > Suddenly the idea of formalization and that too, > many wanting this process to be hurried through with speed; connecting > this to a very insignificant issue called an IT.com. For the record, we're not going to get influenced by any external events. We'll just stick to our published schedule. > > Shucks..this reeks of death, maybe the beginning of a legally > certified death. When money comes in, legality has to come in; > so that we can sue someone/some person to keep our money ?? > I wish you could be a little more restrained and constructive. > Within a legal framework, one has to be rigid and formal. I am not > saying that we should/can break laws by banding ourselves as an > informal group. I am echoing the point that the FREEDOM that we > enjoy/enjoyed is going to be compromised by submitting ourselves > to a rigid legal structure...a legal frame which we have to limit > ourselves to. Perhaps you can give a specific example of a freedom lost by formalizing a legal entity called Linux India ? > > Mark and register my protest on this count. We need not be formal > and legal to continue with what we are doing now. > Being formal and legal is the reason for the existence of this list. The rest of the discussion is mainly about procedures and policies to be used. May be it wasn't clear to you when you subscribed. Hope it's clear now. We're not taking votes just yet. -Arun From li-reg-owner@lists.linux-india.org Thu Aug 31 22:21:30 2000 Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in (unknown [202.54.64.162]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF834A025 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 542 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:51 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13UjGE-0000WH-00 for ; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:51:06 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:51:06 +0530 (IST) To: li-reg@lists.linux-india.org Subject: Re: Could we resume the discussion ? In-Reply-To: <20000831221024.A2245@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000831105206.A1381@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.40490.704017.258255@monster.linux.in> <20000831124730.A1508@sharmas.dhs.org> <14766.47312.378416.684634@monster.linux.in> <20000831221024.A2245@sharmas.dhs.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14767.15167.92840.350623@monster.linux.in> X-Archive-Number: 200008/49 hi, >>>>> "Arun" == Arun Sharma writes: Arun> On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:33:57AM +0530, Prabhu Arun> Ramachandran wrote: >> Ahhh. Was waiting for a statement like this. If this IS the >> case then fine. So LI is about money. Arun> LI is not about money. But it needs to be able to handle Arun> money. Oh, my bad. I meant: LIreg is about money i.e. this list is going to decide issues about LI getting its hands on money etc. etc. >> I want to know: What money? how money? Whose money?? Arun> Money that corporates could donate. You see it everyday: Arun> IBM, HP, Intel etc donated money to form a linux lab. They Arun> may have their vested interests. But who cares as long as Arun> it is used for noble purposes ? Arun> It could also be money donated by people like you and me - Arun> small amounts, but it all adds up. Yes, I dont have a problem with that as the foll. line says. >> I have no problems with this but would like to know the actual >> reasons. Arun> And if you have any doubts/reservations about how the money Arun> is going to be used, feel free to make suggestions about how Arun> it should be used. That is really, really hard to do. How do we spend it... Arun> But the position that we won't touch any money is not a Arun> viable, IMO. Again, you may disagree - you're entitled to Arun> your opinion. Hmm. I dont really know what to think. If this is where things are headed I'd much rather sit back and watch. If anything bothers me I will definitely crib. I dont see myself doing much donation and stuff (me poor grad student). In any case, why isnt anyone else who is involved in the actual money talking?? :) Arun> There is a lot of suspicion and mistrust about some people Arun> hijacking Linux India for their own purposes. This leads Arun> people to make their own plans about countering such Arun> moves. Results ? Lots of emails, time and energy spent which Arun> could be used in a constructive way. Arun> By moving this process forward in a focussed and timely Arun> manner, we can put all that to rest and get on with our Arun> lives. Agreed. Arun> Think about it - Red cross and CRY are legal entities. They Arun> have to be so in order to function. Oh, yes. I know that. I am not _that_ thick. ;-) prabhu