From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 08:05:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EE749FF1 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03327; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:43:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:42:40 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03320 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:42:36 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13fkVd-0004Op-00; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 07:54:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:54:33 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys , bsd-india@sharmas.dhs.org Subject: [Off-Topic] Must-See! Two Views of Hacking Message-ID: <20001001075433.A16908@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc All, http://www.cnn.com/TECH/specials/hackers/qandas/ has two interviews, by CNN with Emmanuel Goldstein, the Editor-In-Chief of 2600, the Hacker Quarterly, and another with Charles C Palmer, manager of Network Security and Cryptography, and head of Global Security Analysis Lab, which includes IBM's ethical hacking unit. Both interviews are amazing and give a lot of room for thought. Of course, links are off /. - so if you're regular there, you would have already seen it. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 08:06:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307B49FF1 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03335; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:43:51 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 16:43:21 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03328 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:43:19 +0530 Received: from homepc ([202.9.180.37]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:22:18 +0530 Message-ID: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> From: "s kannan" To: Subject: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:37:04 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: skannan2k@eth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I recently upgraded my Hard Disk to 20GB to install windows 2000. However i am not able to install linux on the system since disk druid is not creating the necessary linux partitions and is saying a error "Boot partition is too big" or "Partition too big" error. It is successfully creating the swap partition. Only when i try to create other partitions it gives the above error. I am not able to proceed further. I even tried with partition size of 1mb. But no luck. The disk druid and the linux installation software senses the hard disk model correctly but the follwing is displayed under various heads Cyl Head Sec 2490 255 63 But my bios which is under auto detect mode displays the folliwing info. Cyl Head Sec 39694 16 63 I tried switching the setting in the bios with that of reported by disk druid. I had not worked either. I have made the partition as 4x 5 gb each. I have installed windows 2000 and win95 already in this machine. Can anybody provide any info. I dont know exactly how to use fdisk provided with linux cd. even if i try to run it initally says the lilo and other boot loaders will not be able to work properly in larger hard disks. s.kannan --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 11:55:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B8F4A03F for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03793; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:33:25 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:32:54 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03786 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:32:53 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:37:29 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:03:51 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02276; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:58:14 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:57:44 (IST) Received: from phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02270 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:57:38 +0530 Received: (qmail 47342 invoked by alias); 29 Sep 2000 06:09:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 47205 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 2000 06:08:58 -0000 Received: from sherpagrp.com (HELO k2) (209.181.134.65) by phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2000 06:08:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c029db$8e6f7660$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: References: Subject: Re: What is original idea/concept in Linux Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:07:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I need more explanation. In the last decade, IBM came out with a sound card/modem combination for PC's using TI DSP chipset; WIN 95 supported this interface card for both sound and dial-up networking. In the late 70s there was a demo at S-100 bus computer show at Philly which demonstrated sound and 110bps modem capability. The software ran under CP/M. Cheers, Keky Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Athena To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: Re: What is original idea/concept in Linux > > Networking using sound cards > > -George Samuel > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 12:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2E4A03F for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03849; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:41:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:40:32 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03839 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:40:31 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:37:55 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:03:55 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02177; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:36:08 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:35:37 (IST) Received: from annauniv.edu (IDENT:root@[203.197.138.163]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02156 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:35:36 +0530 Received: from localhost (linux@localhost) by annauniv.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04879 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:15:32 +0530 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:15:32 +0530 (IST) From: Athena To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: What is original idea/concept in Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: linux@annauniv.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: linux@annauniv.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Networking using sound cards -George Samuel --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 12:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A5E4A098 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03898; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:46:28 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:45:57 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03891 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:45:54 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09103; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:34:13 +0530 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 00:34:13 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Cc: linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org Subject: problem with RPM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, i tried to install a binary (Common LISP prg. lang.) which is in .rpm format. I got the following error mess. ------------------------------------------- [root@hanuman mksarav]# rpm -i cmucl-18.3.0-6.i486.rpm only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM error: cmucl-18.3.0-6.i486.rpm cannot be installed ------------------------------------------- What this error means? ** mks ** -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 12:08:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618684A098 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03918; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:47:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:46:59 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03911 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:46:57 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:38:31 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:13:52 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02336; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:08:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:07:41 (IST) Received: from phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02330 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:07:36 +0530 Received: (qmail 83233 invoked by alias); 28 Sep 2000 15:06:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 83059 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 2000 15:06:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO k2) (159.87.22.246) by phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2000 15:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c0295d$6e996d60$f616579f@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: References: <39D43BC5.59563656@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: What is Original idea/concept in LINUX ? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:04:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc OK wise guy. I am not sure 'patching' anything is new idea/concept. K&R has so far thought of so many things it is not fair to ask them to think of everything!. 'linus' '(c) Transmeta Corp' say what ? If majority of your peers at ilugc agree with your answer and say so the cheque for US$ 10.00 will be in the mail. Keep trying, Cheers, Keky Robertson Linus RuleZ ? Didn't they say something like that about Alexander the Great ? Sadaam Hussein ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Zameer Ahmed To: ilugc Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: Re: What is Original idea/concept in LINUX ? > Hi All, > What about Source tree patching using Inbox as a patch queue. Did > K&R think of this ?:-) This is a linus Orignal (c) Tranmeta Corp. > > Linus Rulez!! > > CVS .....no way!!!! > > > Regards > Zamee Ahmed > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 12:36:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE44A03D for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04067; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:15:23 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:14:53 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04059 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:14:51 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:41:06 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:42:47 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02567; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:54:49 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:54:19 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02553 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:54:17 +0530 Received: from bigfoot.com ([203.199.224.25]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10470 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:44:55 +0530 (IST) Sender: zameer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <39D52717.26D20B65@bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 05:04:47 +0530 From: Zameer Ahmed Organization: Lateral Software Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc Subject: Re: What is original idea/concept in Linux Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello All Linux the Hack ----------- Linux the hack is the orignal hack which demonstrated the power of what the Open Source development and development through the internet can do to the software industry of the world. It was a manifestation and demonstration in what small open source projects when packaged can do. There is not many things in Linux is Linux Specific . Same is the case with every thing human makes, its derived from his/her previous experiences. The spectacle of a full fledged Operating system without royalties and immense possibilities is what Linux brought about. * We are all waiting for Hurd. Thanx to the power and reacceptance of Linux. We know what the Hurd can do http://www.debian.org/hurd * Free BSD and other flavours of BSD started to be sampled by new Linux users to extend the power of Unix Software * Other softwares which took the lime light like Apache, Samba were poularised with the usage of Linux. In short Linux pulled the hack of our times and bringing back Unix. It formed the *mother-ship* for various Open Sourced project s to show the potential. Finally this OS what we know as >From the Internet Of the Internet For the Internet Regards Zameer Ahmed --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 14:25:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6644A03D for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04290; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:53 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:03:22 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04283 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:03:15 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:51:45 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:47:10 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05534; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:01:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:00:40 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.240.202]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05517 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:00:36 +0530 Received: from ravi by rockford.dyndns.org with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13exbl-0004Kt-00 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:37 +0530 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:36 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: dpkg vs rpm && /. gets cracked! X-Mailer: Something that YOU do not need to know :C) Message-ID: Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc /. gets cracked --------------- Yes. www.slashdot.org just got cracked - http://slashdot.org/articles/00/09/29/1245218.shtml The sad thing about the post detailing /.'ers is that the guy posting about the break-in (think it was CmdrTaco) is still pretty confused on whether he should use "hacker" or "cracker" and there is a good 50-50 usage of both , kinda like, "I said the right thing (among other things) and hence I'm right..." ... pretty pathetic if you ask me. dpkg versus rpm --------------- There is a beautiful debate going on at http://freshmeat.net/news/2000/09/16/969163199.html and I wonder if any of you guys are following it? One last thing to debianers - licq 0.85-8 is broken - stick to using -5 ... I learnt it the hard way :( .. And glibc is broken in the last upgrade of woody or somesuch was what I heard - so "unstable" is pretty much broken ... atleast at the moment - maybe they really should go ahead with the "testing" distro and the "unstable" distro. hasta lavista, -ravi -- Ravikant K.Rao | mowgli | ravi@linux.ca | ravi@symonds.net --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 15:19:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD254A04A for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04535; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:57:51 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 01 Oct 2000 23:57:21 (IST) Received: from eth.net (mailserver2.ddsl.net [202.9.145.19]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04529 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:57:19 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 01:57:38 +0530 Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in ([202.141.26.131]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:58:59 +0530 Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03619; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:09:33 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:09:03 (IST) Received: from linux1 ([203.199.194.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03613 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:09:01 +0530 Received: from backup (serv128 [192.9.200.28]) by linux1 (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06830 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:54:18 +0530 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:50:27 +0530 (IST) From: "T.Anandaraj" X-Sender: anand@serv128 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: is it true? [Regd. www.mslinux.org] In-Reply-To: <001a01c02a06$2ca5af00$4512fea9@md4.chn.vsnl.net.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: anand@sankhya.com Precedence: bulk X-list: ilugc X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: anand@sankhya.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Suraj.co.in wrote: > Hello Sir, > > > i got the following posting from LIG list. is it a > > hoax? (www.mslinux.org) It's a Hoax ! -Anand > It, infact, is a kind of mock at MS's linux ideas. Anywayz its great time > to spend at mslinux.com!! (-; > > -Suraj > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > > ------ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." ------ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 21:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343F04A037 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05176; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:23:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:22:41 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05169 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:22:39 +0530 Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in ([203.199.227.11]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11448 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:13:18 +0530 (IST) Sender: surfer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <39D8124E.2ECF827@md2.vsnl.net.in> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:12:54 +0530 From: Vikram X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem with RPM References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: upender@md2.vsnl.net.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc M K Saravanan wrote: > hi all, > > i tried to install a binary (Common LISP prg. lang.) which is in .rpm > format. I got the following error mess. > > ------------------------------------------- > [root@hanuman mksarav]# rpm -i cmucl-18.3.0-6.i486.rpm > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > error: cmucl-18.3.0-6.i486.rpm cannot be installed > ------------------------------------------- > > What this error means? This error comes when one tries to install RH 7.0 packages in a non-RH 7.0 system.So the above package must be for RH 7.0 which has a new RPM.You can upgrade your "rpm" package and conver t your old RPM database to newer one. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 1 22:18:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A78A4A014 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05323; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:56:06 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:55:35 (IST) Received: from railmalem.caltiger.com ([202.86.136.23]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05315 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:55:34 +0530 Received: from debianut.ekmnet.in by railmalem.caltiger.com (8.9.3/1.1.4.2/07Aug00-0105PM) id KAA0000027562; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:37:09 +0530 (IST) Received: from ragu by debianut.ekmnet.in with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13fxot-0001Yt-00 for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:37:19 +0530 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:37:19 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem with RPM Message-ID: <20001002103719.A5982@debianut.ekmnet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Power of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org/) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ragu@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc M K Saravanan wrote: > only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM > error: cmucl-18.3.0-6.i486.rpm cannot be installed > Did U try to install this .rpm package on a Debian system ? Please convert your .rpm to the .deb format using 'alien'. Upgrade to the latest 'woody' packages..1) librpm1 2) rpm and 3) alien. Debianize the .rpm after this. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 05:47:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C7C4A101 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06548; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:24:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:23:41 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06542 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:23:37 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.149.31]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21935 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:57:13 +0500 Message-ID: <39D880D9.42E80F65@chennailug.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:04:33 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I_Luv_ILUGC Subject: Debian CDs?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey guys, Any 1 got the hot Debian CDs? Raghu had downloaded and was planning to send it down here to some one (Prabhu / me)... what happenned to it? -Suraj -- ------------------------------------------------------------ "An Optimist Develops the Program; A Pessimist debugs it!" --Suraj Kumar ------------------------------------------------------------ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 06:06:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6894A0B9 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06634; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:44:03 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:43:32 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06628 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 14:43:28 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.149.31]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22174 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:17:38 +0500 Message-ID: <39D885A0.8D56CB7@chennailug.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:24:56 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I_Luv_ILUGC Subject: OT: PhotoShop Vs. GIMP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey guys, An Article on what aa amateur graphics artist feels: The difference between Photoshop and GIMP. Check out: http://www.linux.com/desktops/newsitem.phtml?sid=91&aid=10869 -Suraj -- ------------------------------------------------------------ "An Optimist Develops the Program; A Pessimist debugs it!" --Suraj Kumar ------------------------------------------------------------ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 06:24:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1A04A092 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06731; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:01:19 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:00:49 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06724 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:00:46 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13g5Oa-0005sb-00; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 06:12:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:12:39 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: OT: PhotoShop Vs. GIMP Message-ID: <20001002061239.A22555@symonds.net> References: <39D885A0.8D56CB7@chennailug.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39D885A0.8D56CB7@chennailug.org>; from suraj@chennailug.org on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 06:24:56PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 06:24:56PM +0530, Suraj.co.in wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "An Optimist Develops the Program; > A Pessimist debugs it!" > --Suraj Kumar > ------------------------------------------------------------ Wow, this is the first time I've really seen a guy use his own quote as a .signature! :) Or was there a different Suraj Kumar who isn't suraj.co.in that said those words? :) Boy, our webmaster rulez ;) -ravi --- "I have never seen a guy use his own quote for a .signature, before this" ;-) --Ravikant K. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 07:22:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBA84A03F for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06917; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:59:25 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:58:54 (IST) Received: from coredump ([203.199.228.66]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06903 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:58:49 +0530 Received: by coredump (Postfix, from userid 500) id E696BCD71; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:40:15 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:40:15 +0530 From: G Gautam To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: VB for linux!? For free!? Message-ID: <20001003194015.A12430@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: G Gautam , ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in References: <14805.20825.141362.507203@monster.linux.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14805.20825.141362.507203@monster.linux.in>; from prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Sat, Sep 30, 2000 at 08:07:22AM +0530 Sender: g@coredump.localdomain X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gautamg@md4.vsnl.net.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Sep 30, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > hi, > > According to Linux today... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "VISUAL BASIC FOR LINUX" AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD NOW > > is a unique object-oriented RAD tool for Linux. It combines > the expressive power of object-oriented languages like Python > and Perl with the familiarity and ease of use of Visual Basic. > > COMPLETE STORY: > http://linuxpr.com/releases/2611.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This is shareware. I dont know any VB. So can anyone else > comment if this is really like VB?? Apparently, kylix also rocks. > > prabhu Hi, It's not the only one being developed. GNOME is creating Gnomebasic or gbasic or something. Right now I am compiling KBasic! (http://www.kbasic.de). Seems everybody is after the HUGE pool of VB programmers. It's pretty unusable right now. The target date is summer 2001. Gautam --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 07:51:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F634A0B4 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07012; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:29:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:28:35 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07006 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:28:33 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 94 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:04:48 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13g6kR-0000D7-00 for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:09:19 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:09:19 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb In-Reply-To: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> References: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14808.38768.255795.298769@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Where are your Windows partitions and where is your free space? If you have access to another linux machine read the Large-Disk-HOWTO (/usr/doc/HOWTO). If not get it from www.linuxdoc.org. There is a lot of info on it. BTW to use fdisk with a particular Cyl/Head/sec value you can get to the commandline (ALTF2?) and do # cfdisk -c 39694 -h 16 -s 63 /dev/hd? prabhu >>>>> "kannan" == s kannan writes: kannan> linux partitions and is saying a error "Boot partition is kannan> too big" or "Partition too big" error. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 20:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9BC4A0D3 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08820; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:24:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:24:05 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.240.1]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08813 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:24:02 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:07:41 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14809.21631.680293.387623@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:07:35 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: RedHat 7 is the buggiest, people have seen in awhile. - /. X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi: Check this out! http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/ And this particular "bug": http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18033 - This one is hilarious as hell ;) Its even on /.: http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml The next time someone bitches about Debian bringing out releases very late after *much* testing, ... duh -Ravi "debian for life" rao :) -- Ravikant K.Rao | mowgli | ravi@linux.ca | ravi@symonds.net --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 22:34:56 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312C04A160 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09620; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:12:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:12:09 (IST) Received: from kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@[144.16.251.96]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09614 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:12:08 +0530 Received: from watts.ee.iitm.ernet.in (watts.ee.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.244.110]) by kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18177 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:56:54 +0530 Received: from localhost (ee96157@localhost) by watts.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00760 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:57:28 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: watts.ee.iitm.ernet.in: ee96157 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:57:28 +0530 (IST) From: Koppisetty Kalyan To: ilugc Subject: news groups Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: kalyan@ee.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all ! can somebody tell me how to access the newsgroups , like : alt.xyz.abc ? i work in linux and something seems to b going wrong whenever i try to access these things ! [it'll b great if somebody can take the pain of explaining this stepbystep - i donot mean from booting linux ;-)] thanks, kallu. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 22:38:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19174A037 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09695; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:17:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:16:30 (IST) Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.4]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA09672 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:16:25 +0530 Received: (qmail 38689 invoked by alias); 3 Oct 2000 05:27:59 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 38661 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 05:27:58 -0000 Received: from sherpagrp.com (HELO k2) (209.181.134.65) by phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 05:27:58 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c02cfa$b0d8fab0$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: Subject: it2000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:27:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey guys/gals: Anyone knows how much would it cost to attend just the it2000 exhibits or exhibit + conferences ? Any suggestions for hotels (no cheap dives please). Do they allow Video & Audio recordings inside Linux booths ? The website referred to me before don't have any info about cost. Cheers, Keky Robertson --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 22:39:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7483D4A03C for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09697; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:17:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:16:39 (IST) Received: from garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (ae98016@garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.17]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09680 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:16:37 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98016@localhost) by garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06880 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:58:33 +0530 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:58:32 +0530 (IST) From: A Midhun Kumar To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb In-Reply-To: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98016@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hai, This problem is not specific to 20GB HDD. I have seen this problem on a 4.3GB disk, 8GB disk and even on a 17 GB disk. Try any other partitioning tool other than Disk druid and try. I used fdisk. If you find some "hard disk .... " error message while installation that might happen on a seagate HDD then try replacing the HDD if possible. For more info on this. See the mail archive of our lug. If i have time I will re-post that discussion mail related to this.. Midhun --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 2 23:27:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B39F4A589 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10150; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:04:51 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:04:20 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10144 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:04:18 +0530 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:04:18 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: RedHat 7 is the buggiest, people have seen in awhile. - /. In-Reply-To: <14809.21631.680293.387623@rockford.dyndns.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, historically, all the x.0 releases of redhat have been pretty bad - and the x.2 releases have been quite good. we still have machines running 5.2 (and on the net, one can see many machines happily running 4.y with y>0) providing many critical services. we are just about ready to shift over to 6.2 (along with the 250 mb of updates). now that 7.0 has come out, i am reasonably sure that 6.2 will be a stablest available red hat for some time..... oh, yeah, :-) sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 00:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7F04A04D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10341; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:44:00 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:43:30 (IST) Received: from railmalem.caltiger.com ([202.86.136.23]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10335 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:43:23 +0530 Received: from debianut.ekmnet.in by railmalem.caltiger.com (8.9.3/1.1.4.2/07Aug00-0105PM) id MAA0000015678; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:24:49 +0530 (IST) Received: from ragu by debianut.ekmnet.in with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13gLyo-0000A9-00 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:25:10 +0530 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:25:10 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: RedHat 7 is the buggiest, people have seen in awhile. - /. Message-ID: <20001003122510.A584@debianut.ekmnet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Power of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org/) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ragu@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ravikant K. Rao wrote: > http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml > > The next time someone bitches about Debian bringing out releases > very late after *much* testing > Let the user decide after making a studied comparison. People's opinions can never be changed but persons can be educated. Let this open up the eyes of persons making wild accusations. There is another *news* today about MS buying a stake in Corel. Did any one watch the ticker on the going rate for Red Hat shares ? Listers who have RHL shares better dump them before prices hit the ground...HeHeHe. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 00:45:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F494A01E for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10789; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:20:33 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:20:03 (IST) Received: from phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10777 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:19:56 +0530 Received: (qmail 73730 invoked by alias); 3 Oct 2000 07:31:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 73690 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 07:31:46 -0000 Received: from sherpagrp.com (HELO k2) (209.181.134.65) by phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 07:31:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c02d0b$fbd563d0$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: Subject: Red Hat 7 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:31:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Welcome to the Real World ! All Software SUCKS some of the time for Most of the People. The more BUGS they find means more people are trying to USE it for whatever reasons. Cheers, Keky Robertson --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 00:56:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4BE4A04C for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10878; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:31:30 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:30:59 (IST) Received: from phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10865 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:30:52 +0530 Received: (qmail 92421 invoked by alias); 3 Oct 2000 07:42:43 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 92402 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 07:42:42 -0000 Received: from sherpagrp.com (HELO k2) (209.181.134.65) by phnxpop5.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 07:42:42 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c02d0d$82f62c90$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: Subject: SMP system availability in Madras Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:42:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Are there any good SMP systems available for purchase in Madras ? Any idea about the cost. Say, like Dual Piii 850mhz, 1GB RAM, 5x36G SCSI 160 LVD, DAT24, Non-stop (dual switchable power supply) .e.g. intel 440 GX + I've heard some stories about power problems, will the local power utility for increased cost guarantee power 90 to 95% fo the time ? I know, these are loaded questions. I need to know these before I get there and implement project hardware/sw in 4 weeks. (ha ha) Please recommend some computer stores in Madras where people are knowledgable about hardware. Please do not give my e-mail address to Sales Vultures! Cheers, Keky Robertson --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 01:11:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6A74A01D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10982; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:41:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:40:34 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10969 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:40:33 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 159 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:16:40 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13gMr1-0000M1-00 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:21:11 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:21:11 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: SMP system availability in Madras In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d0d$82f62c90$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> References: <001b01c02d0d$82f62c90$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14809.36421.317337.557344@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, *IMO*, the grey market here is completely driven by demand. There arent many SMP buyers here, if any. Therefore, an SMP system here would cost you a *lot*. This is because they would have to smuggle a single piece of equipment just for you. ;) I guess it would be better to import an SMP system. I dont know about the branded makes though. Please make more enquiries. prabhu >>>>> "keky" == keky uswest net writes: keky> Are there any good SMP systems available for purchase in keky> Madras ? Any idea about the cost. Say, like Dual Piii keky> 850mhz, 1GB RAM, 5x36G SCSI 160 LVD, DAT24, Non-stop (dual keky> switchable power supply) .e.g. intel 440 GX + I've heard keky> some stories about power problems, will the local power keky> utility for increased cost guarantee power 90 to 95% fo the keky> time ? I know, these are loaded questions. I need to know keky> these before I get there and implement project hardware/sw keky> in 4 weeks. (ha ha) keky> Please recommend some computer stores in Madras where people keky> are knowledgable about hardware. Please do not give my keky> e-mail address to Sales Vultures! --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 01:42:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D9F4A20B for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11244; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:16:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:16:01 (IST) Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.4]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11229 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:15:53 +0530 Received: (qmail 55020 invoked by alias); 3 Oct 2000 08:27:44 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in@fixme Received: (qmail 55013 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2000 08:27:44 -0000 Received: from sherpagrp.com (HELO k2) (209.181.134.65) by phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Oct 2000 08:27:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c02d13$cd416f20$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> From: "keky_uswest.net" To: References: <001b01c02d0d$82f62c90$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> <14809.36421.317337.557344@monster.linux.in> Subject: Re: SMP system availability in Madras Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:27:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: keky@uswest.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Thank you for the quick response. Assuming, that I want to import it, do I need to get customs & excise permission before hand about the exact configuration of the system or can I ship the system thru FedEX, DHL and upon arrival pay the customs tax ? Any idea about the tax % ? Is it levied for the whole system or individual components ? Thanks again for your courtesy and time. Cheers, Keky Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: Prabhu Ramachandran To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 12:51 AM Subject: SMP system availability in Madras > hi, > > *IMO*, the grey market here is completely driven by demand. > There arent many SMP buyers here, if any. Therefore, an SMP system > here would cost you a *lot*. This is because they would have to > smuggle a single piece of equipment just for you. ;) > > I guess it would be better to import an SMP system. I dont > know about the branded makes though. Please make more enquiries. > > prabhu > > >>>>> "keky" == keky uswest net writes: > > keky> Are there any good SMP systems available for purchase in > keky> Madras ? Any idea about the cost. Say, like Dual Piii > keky> 850mhz, 1GB RAM, 5x36G SCSI 160 LVD, DAT24, Non-stop (dual > keky> switchable power supply) .e.g. intel 440 GX + I've heard > keky> some stories about power problems, will the local power > keky> utility for increased cost guarantee power 90 to 95% fo the > keky> time ? I know, these are loaded questions. I need to know > keky> these before I get there and implement project hardware/sw > keky> in 4 weeks. (ha ha) > > keky> Please recommend some computer stores in Madras where people > keky> are knowledgable about hardware. Please do not give my > keky> e-mail address to Sales Vultures! > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 02:46:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FE149F60 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11648; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:19:35 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:19:04 (IST) Received: from cc.imagine.co.in ([206.103.12.210]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11634 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:18:50 +0530 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cc.imagine.co.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id PAA32660 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:00:04 +0530 Received: from localhost (sambaiah@localhost) by imagine.imagine.co.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25614 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:16:53 +0530 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:16:53 +0530 (IST) From: K Sambaiah To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: SMP system availability in Madras In-Reply-To: <001b01c02d0d$82f62c90$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sambaiah@imagine.co.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Around 5 months we got one machine. I will write the specification. PII Xeon 550MHz with 1MB cache Dual processor SC450NX Board with 1GB of RAM 3 X 36GB ultra SCSI RAID 5 controller 3 SMPS With redundant Power suppy Fail over NIC card with 11 fans populated The cost is around Rs11 laks. We bought it from SBA systems. They are intel authorised guys. regards, Sambaiah Kilaru. On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, keky_uswest.net wrote: > Are there any good SMP systems available for > purchase in Madras ? Any idea about > the cost. Say, like Dual Piii 850mhz, 1GB RAM, > 5x36G SCSI 160 LVD, DAT24, Non-stop (dual > switchable power supply) .e.g. intel 440 GX + > I've heard some stories about power problems, > will the local power utility for increased cost > guarantee power 90 to 95% fo the time ? > I know, these are loaded questions. I need > to know these before I get there and implement > project hardware/sw in 4 weeks. (ha ha) > > Please recommend some computer stores in Madras > where people are knowledgable about hardware. > Please do not give my e-mail address to Sales Vultures! > > > Cheers, > Keky Robertson > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 03:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA1C4A160 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 03:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11917; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:42:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:41:40 (IST) Received: from kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@[144.16.251.96]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11901 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:41:39 +0530 Received: from lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in (lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.244.125]) by kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25204 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:26:23 +0530 Received: from localhost (ee99331@localhost) by lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01812 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:30:12 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in: ee99331 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:30:12 +0530 (IST) From: Shishir Birmiwal X-Sender: ee99331@lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: RedHat 7 is the buggiest, people have seen in awhile. - /. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: shishirb2@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi i agree with dr.sriram's view... rh7 is really buggy... the bug starts from the installation program... maybe 'coz it's the first time they've distributed the binaries on two cds, the installation program crashes if you try and install pan CD rpms (although install EVERYTHING works)... then some of the files are (apparently) missing... i did a complete install, but still there are missing configuration files and startup scripts (like for example swat and samba.conf...) i haven't given much time to this, so it might be that i haven't explored the installation properly for these things... (alteast i couldn't find /etc/samba.conf or /etc/rc.d/init.d/swat) anyways... there are some really good programs too... enlightenment is great ;) ... newer versions of gnome/wmaker etc. rock..... i still wanna try debian.. where can i get 2.2 ??? bye shishir -- Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: if you're alive, it isn't. x------------------------- shishir birmiwal------x gotta go : __o | #152,godavari,iitm,chennai-600036. 044-4459075 | .. bye _(\<._ x-----shishirb@yahoo.com ------------------------x . . . . . (_)/ (_) --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 06:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA174A0FA for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13200; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:27:17 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:26:47 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13180 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:26:43 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01027 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:15:08 +0530 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:15:08 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: SMP system availability in Madras In-Reply-To: <001401c02d13$cd416f20$4386b5d1@sherpagrp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, keky_uswest.net wrote: > Thank you for the quick response. Assuming, that I want > to import it, do I need to get customs & excise permission > before hand about the exact configuration of the system or > can I ship the system thru FedEX, DHL and upon arrival > pay the customs tax ? Any idea about the tax % ? Is it > levied for the whole system or individual components ? while discussin offtopic items kindly put [OFFTOPIC] or somesuch things in the subject. ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 08:12:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499014A0A9 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13523; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:50:33 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:50:02 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13515 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:50:00 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 334 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:26:08 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13gTYY-0000en-00 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 20:30:34 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:30:33 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: news groups In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14809.62507.613128.945213@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Koppisetty" == Koppisetty Kalyan writes: Koppisetty> hi all ! can somebody tell me how to access the Koppisetty> newsgroups , like : alt.xyz.abc ? i work in linux and I think the best thing to do is to visit the foll. http://www.google.com/search?q=newsgroup+introduction also read the the News-Leafsite mini HOWTO. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 08:40:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A769449F48 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13623; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:10:53 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:23 (IST) Received: from tn.nic.in (tn.nic.in [164.100.167.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13617 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:10:22 +0530 Received: (from sxg@localhost) by tn.nic.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA19775 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:12 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:45:12 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <200010031515.UAA19775@tn.nic.in> From: sxg@tn.nic.in (S.Gopinath) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: SMP system availability in Madras X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sxg@tn.nic.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc There are lot of people makes SMP system. Recently I hace encountered from Wipro. The system I tested contains PIII 700 Mhz with 256 L2 cache - 2 Nos. Ultra Wide SCSI RAID based on Mylex Corp. On board Ultra2 Wide SCSI 18GB *5 Ultra3 disk configured for RAID 5 4 GB SCSI DAT etc etc. It is having Intel MB with GX chp set (440GX). I did not conduct any benchmark yet. I think you may try WIpro. Even if you want to assemble you can make it if you try hard a bit. Thanks, S.Gopinath --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 08:42:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999B14A16D for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13647; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:12:44 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:12:13 (IST) Received: from tn.nic.in (tn.nic.in [164.100.167.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13637 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:12:13 +0530 Received: (from sxg@localhost) by tn.nic.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA02956 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:47:04 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:47:04 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <200010031517.UAA02956@tn.nic.in> From: sxg@tn.nic.in (S.Gopinath) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: SMP system availability in Madras X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sxg@tn.nic.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I suppose there is enpugh room to discuss about Hardware in this. Afterall something runs on hardware. Thanks, S.Gopinath --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 3 09:00:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC494A020 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13806; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:38:41 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:38:10 (IST) Received: from salsa.tranquilmoney.com (IDENT:root@cr-147.themediatc.com [204.143.193.147] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13800 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:38:02 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by salsa.tranquilmoney.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09607 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:48:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: ILUG Chennai Subject: Re: RedHat 7 is the buggiest, people have seen in awhile. - /. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@tranquilmoney.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Pls have a look at.. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/02/2046212&mode=thread - Oommen On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Shishir Birmiwal wrote: > hi > i agree with dr.sriram's view... rh7 is really buggy... the bug starts > from the installation program... maybe 'coz it's the first time they've > distributed the binaries on two cds, the installation program crashes > if you try and install pan CD rpms (although install EVERYTHING works)... > > then some of the files are (apparently) missing... i did a complete > install, but still there are missing configuration files and startup > scripts (like for example swat and samba.conf...) i haven't > given much time to this, so it might be that i haven't explored the > installation properly for these things... (alteast i couldn't find > /etc/samba.conf or /etc/rc.d/init.d/swat) > > anyways... there are some really good programs too... enlightenment > is great ;) ... newer versions of gnome/wmaker etc. rock..... > > i still wanna try debian.. where can i get 2.2 ??? > > bye > shishir > > > -- Regards, Tranquilmoney.com Oommen 65, Broadway, Suite 824 New York, NY 10006 Phone: 212-402-5383 x 1782 --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 03:17:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC424A025 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17803; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:50:08 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:49:36 (IST) Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17795 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:49:27 +0530 Message-ID: <20001004100034.10456.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.9.188.164] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:00:34 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: swaraj Subject: Re: Red Hat 7 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: swaraj19@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi > Welcome to the Real World ! -- We are in the Real world :) > All Software SUCKS some of the time for Most of the > People. -- You really seem to have a problem with the system prabhu: XEmacs never sucks ravi : vim never sucks stallman : gnu never sucks > The more BUGS they find means more people are trying > to USE it for whatever reasons. Does it mean no one uses openbsd :) > Cheers, > Keky Robertson swaraj > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' > with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe > from this list. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 03:33:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6BF4A0A9 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17980; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:10:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:09:40 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17970 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:09:34 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03690 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:57:42 +0530 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:57:42 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Free online Tutorial on LaTeX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, kindly go thru the follwg. mail. interested can join the tutorial. ** mks ** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:24:55 +0530 (IST) From: Radhakrishnan C V Reply-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Subject: [LIG] Free online Tutorial on LaTeX The Indian TeX Users Group (TUGIndia) are pleased to announce a free online tutorial covering the basics of LaTeX, graphics, fonts, and a little of TeX programming. The topics covered will be: 1. A brief history of TeX 2. Markup methodologies 3. The way of TeX 4. What is LaTeX? 5. Basic document classes 6. Various components of classes 7. Preamble, sectioning, lists -- enumerated, labelled, itemized 8. Bibliography -- various schemes 9. Floats -- figures, tables, marginpars 10. Boxed material -- parbox, minipage, etc. 11. Table of contents, list of tables/figures 12. Index generation, multi-level multiple indexes 13. Math -- symbols, formulae 14. Complex constructs, matrices, cases, commutative diagrams, etc. 15. Theorem environments, manipulation, customization 16. Graphics -- a general overview 17. Labelling of eps figures generated by Mathematica or other software using LaTeX 18. PStricks, Metapost, XYPic, function plotting, charts 19. Hypertext and TeX -- pdfTeX/pdfLaTeX, possibilities 20. Presentations using pdfTeX 21. Fonts, font setup, NFSS, customization 22. Introduction to various popular packages that might help your document generation easier 23. Setting up a working TeX system in your computer 24. Anything left out or as suggested by members The course material is arranged to span a period of three months in 24 modules (but the period can be cut short if users find it easier to digest the lessons and the discussions seem sufficient). Course material will be delivered at the TUGIndia web site in pdf formats (both screen and print versions) and TeX sources will also be made available. All your questions, doubts (whether trivial or not) will be patiently answered by a team of resource persons specially set up for this tutorial. As the efforts for this are enormous, we would request you to send this note to any person whom you think might be interested in TeX, so that we cover the maximum number of academics, researchers, students in this country. This mail can be freely distributed. The tutorial will start by the first week of October 2000. The first three chapters of the tutorial is available at: http://www.river-valley.com/tug/tutorial/ Your suggestions and comments are welcome. Indeed we long to hear from you. You can subscribe to TUGIndia mailing list by sending a plain text mail to majordomo@river-valley.com with the following in the message body of your mail: susbcribe tuglist Radhakrishnan Indian TeX Users Group --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 06:58:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79794A022 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18806; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:34:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:34:26 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18800 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:34:18 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.148.143]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25686 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:08:15 +0500 Message-ID: <39DB348A.A5F5823@chennailug.org> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:15:46 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: VB for linux!? For free!? References: <14805.20825.141362.507203@monster.linux.in> <20001003194015.A12430@localhost.localdomain> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi > Hi, > > It's not the only one being developed. GNOME is creating Gnomebasic or gbasic or something. Right now I am compiling KBasic! (http://www.kbasic.de). Seems everybody is after the HUGE pool of VB programmers. It's pretty unusable right now. The target date is summer 2001. > > Gautam And... kbasic (http://www.kbasic.de) is another basic effort one KDE. -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 07:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16994A1A3 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18850; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:39:33 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:39:02 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18841 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:38:56 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.148.143]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25720 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:12:54 +0500 Message-ID: <39DB3598.51D34EB5@chennailug.org> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:20:16 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Hai, > > This problem is not specific to 20GB HDD. I have seen this problem on a > 4.3GB disk, 8GB disk and even on a 17 GB disk. > > Try any other partitioning tool other than Disk druid and try. I used > fdisk. > > If you find some "hard disk .... " error message while installation that > might happen on a seagate HDD then try replacing the HDD if possible. For > more info on this. See the mail archive of our lug. If i have time I will > re-post that discussion mail related to this.. > Replacing the Harddisk? not necessary I suppose... Juust read the large disk HOWTO. That should make the pt. clear that its gotta lot to do with the BIOS than the HDD itself! -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 07:05:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B98F4A190 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18904; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:44:03 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:43:32 (IST) Received: from eth.net (ddsl.net [202.9.145.10] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18895 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:43:29 +0530 Received: from homepc ([202.9.149.182]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:19:46 +0530 Message-ID: <037f01c02e0b$056c1060$b69509ca@homepc> From: "s kannan" To: References: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> <14808.38768.255795.298769@monster.linux.in> Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:27:21 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: skannan2k@eth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, The win95 partition is in primary. The win2000 in loaded in logical partition on ntfs. But fdisk reports the nt boot loader is located in the first partition. I am trying to install linux in the last logical partition. The problem i am facing is i am not able to proceed with installation at all (to the lilo stage). My previous installation on a 8gb hard disk went through very well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prabhu Ramachandran" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb > hi, > > Where are your Windows partitions and where is your free > space? If you have access to another linux machine read the > Large-Disk-HOWTO (/usr/doc/HOWTO). If not get it from > www.linuxdoc.org. There is a lot of info on it. > > BTW to use fdisk with a particular Cyl/Head/sec value you can > get to the commandline (ALTF2?) and do > > # cfdisk -c 39694 -h 16 -s 63 /dev/hd? > > prabhu > > >>>>> "kannan" == s kannan writes: > > kannan> linux partitions and is saying a error "Boot partition is > kannan> too big" or "Partition too big" error. > > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 09:27:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9C74A112 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19394; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:05:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:05:05 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19384 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:05:03 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 283 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:41:03 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13grCT-0000DB-00 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:45:21 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:45:21 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb In-Reply-To: <037f01c02e0b$056c1060$b69509ca@homepc> References: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc> <14808.38768.255795.298769@monster.linux.in> <037f01c02e0b$056c1060$b69509ca@homepc> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14811.21886.970426.906538@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "sk" == s kannan writes: sk> Hi, The win95 partition is in primary. The win2000 in loaded sk> in logical partition on ntfs. But fdisk reports the nt boot ^^^^^^^^^^ Which fdisk. From what follows I gather that this is the windows fdisk you are talking about. sk> loader is located in the first partition. I am trying to sk> install linux in the last logical partition. sk> The problem i am facing is i am not able to proceed with sk> installation at all (to the lilo stage). My previous Please clarify. This is very confusing. Do you mean, you are unable to even boot the installation CD? a) If you are able to boot the install cd at what stage does it fail?? i) If it does boot and then fails when you do fdisk. Go to the shell prompt (or does Rh no longer provied one on ALT+F2 ?) and manually format the disk using the following command. # cfdisk -c 39694 -h 16 -s 63 /dev/hda (replace hda with what is appropriate) b) If it doesnt boot try booting the installation CD by entering parameters at the lilo prompt of the CD. Something like so RH7.0CD LILO: boot hd=39694,16,32 and try. replace "boot" by whatever the boot time help instrctions say. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 09:39:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3639E49F6E for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19474; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:17:16 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:16:45 (IST) Received: from eth.net (ddsl.net [202.9.145.10] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19459 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:16:43 +0530 Received: from homepc ([202.9.149.248]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:53:00 +0530 Message-ID: <005001c02e20$6d55e1f0$d09509ca@homepc> From: "s kannan" To: References: <012a01c02bb9$9d0aaac0$809309ca@homepc><14808.38768.255795.298769@monster.linux.in><037f01c02e0b$056c1060$b69509ca@homepc> <14811.21886.970426.906538@monster.linux.in> Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:00:35 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: skannan2k@eth.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, thanks for the prompt response. the fdisk i am referring here is linux. I dont run win95 fdisk here , since it gives trouble when you are having a ntfs partition in your logical partition. the problem in installation i am referring here is when i try to create a partition through disk druid or fdisk of linux. the rh installation program does not allow me to proceed further after the disk druid part. I am using the pcq cd of redhat 6.2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prabhu Ramachandran" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: Re: problem in installing linux in hardisk of 20gb > hi, > > >>>>> "sk" == s kannan writes: > > sk> Hi, The win95 partition is in primary. The win2000 in loaded > sk> in logical partition on ntfs. But fdisk reports the nt boot > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Which fdisk. From what follows I gather that this is the windows > fdisk you are talking about. > > sk> loader is located in the first partition. I am trying to > sk> install linux in the last logical partition. > > sk> The problem i am facing is i am not able to proceed with > sk> installation at all (to the lilo stage). My previous > > Please clarify. This is very confusing. > > Do you mean, you are unable to even boot the installation CD? > > a) If you are able to boot the install cd at what stage does > it fail?? > > i) If it does boot and then fails when you do fdisk. Go to > the shell prompt (or does Rh no longer provied one on ALT+F2 > ?) and manually format the disk using the following command. > > # cfdisk -c 39694 -h 16 -s 63 /dev/hda (replace hda with what > is appropriate) > > b) If it doesnt boot try booting the installation CD by entering > parameters at the lilo prompt of the CD. Something like so > > RH7.0CD LILO: boot hd=39694,16,32 > > and try. replace "boot" by whatever the boot time help instrctions > say. > > prabhu > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 13:25:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F304A1C7 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20062; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:03:21 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:02:50 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20055 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:02:47 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02138 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:51:02 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:51:02 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: how to give webadmin control to a specific user? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, In our Intranet web server, everytime root is needed to administer the webcontent. Is there is any way to give the webadmin control to a specific user? ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 13:45:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542D04A128 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20135; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:24:25 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:23:55 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20129 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:23:50 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e94KSBI12378 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G1XAI200.QE7 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:34:50 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39DB9469.2674E61A@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:34:49 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: how to give webadmin control to a specific user? References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc M K Saravanan proclaimed: > In our Intranet web server, everytime root is needed to administer the > webcontent. Is there is any way to give the webadmin control to a > specific user? You mean root permissions are needed to modify content that is served off the web server? That is not necessary. 1. Create a user and a group called www-data or web or something like that (if such a user and group already does not exist). 2. In your httpd.conf add the following lines: User www-data Group www-data 3. Change the ownership of all the files under DocumentRoot (/var/www or /home/www) to be owned by www-data and group www-data. Make permissions 664. 4. Add users who will need permissions to modify content to group www-data. Thaths -- "[muttering] Ow, ow, stupid trash, rotten, stinky, hate world, revenge soon, take out on everyone..." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 21:46:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8335F4A1B5 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00837; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:20:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 06:19:41 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00828 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 06:19:36 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03305 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:07:45 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:07:45 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: KDE 2.0 will have tamil Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc kindly go thru the following mess. by Mr.Sivakumar regd. tamil support in KDE 2.0 ** mks ** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Sivakumar Shanmugasundaram Reply-To: tamilinix@egroups.com To: tamilinix@egroups.com All, Good news. KDE2.0 will have Tamil as one of its language. just made it with the bare minimal translations. they have frozen KDE2.0 source code. you can expect RPMs/DEBs soon. so whoever wants to try KDE2.0, dont forget to download the Tamil pack too It needs some hacking to get this working. I will send instructions later. Get ready to have fun :-) Siva --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 4 23:54:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5406D49F4C for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01601; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:29:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:28:59 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01590 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:28:54 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.148.72]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04993 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:02:34 +0500 Message-ID: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:23:19 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey all, > Good news. KDE2.0 will have Tamil as one of its > language. just made it with the bare minimal > translations. > they have frozen KDE2.0 source code. you can expect > RPMs/DEBs soon. > so whoever wants to try KDE2.0, dont forget to > download the Tamil pack too > It needs some hacking to get this working. I will send > instructions later. > Get ready to have fun :-) > > Siva Can someone bring KDE 2.0 (debs, rpms, tgz) burnt on a CD for the next meet?  I would also be pleased if u pack KBasic, GBasic and phoenix along with this. Myself is itching to have my hands on KDE 2 (-;     -Suraj >   > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. -- ------------------------------------------------------------  "An Optimist Develops the Program;  A Pessimist debugs it!"   --Suraj Kumar ------------------------------------------------------------   --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 00:44:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159BA4A0E1 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 00:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01881; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:23:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 09:22:41 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01867 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:22:40 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:22:39 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: impressions on rhl 7.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc luggies, just finished installing rhl 7.0 on my machine. my old disk was giving problems - so, got a new 10gb (dont ask me why i did not get 20 gb or whatever... long story), disconnected the old disk and did an install. no problems at all. i used custom (as any real linux user will do) and it took about 25 minutes on my p2-350 intel 810 machine. good old 6.2 used to install in about 10 minutes on this machine. however, the installation did not ask me for anything at all (except network settings - ip address, dns address etc). it automagically configured sound etc etc. detected my 810 motherboard with no problem and x is set up quite ok (though like all real linux users, i like to do my own x settings; of course, really real linux users do not use x, only text screens...). the fellow never asked for the disk 2 of the install set. i understand that a server class installation also does not ask for disk 2. i suppose some vague things are on the second disk - need to check it out later today. my custom install takes about 1 gb. lots of things are installed by default, much to my liking - cdrecord, openssh, xinetd. so, i am liking it, as of now. overall impression: thumbs up (bye bye debian, suse...) (opinion subject to change with time); considering my experience with past x.0 releases of red hat, i am positively imressed. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 03:07:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948074A01A for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02165; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:06:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 10:06:07 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02147 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:06:02 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 411 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:41:57 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13h6CS-0000JA-00 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:46:20 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:19 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil In-Reply-To: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in id KAA02147 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> Can someone bring KDE 2.0 (debs, rpms, tgz) burnt on a CD Suraj> for the next meet? If kde2 is released (final release I mean - not the prereleases) by the next meeting, I will try to get this done. I will _only_ get the debs. To hell with the rpms. I will get the task-kde stuff, nothing more. If you want the tamil stuff tell me what debs to get. I will demand that someone bring _proper_ potato CD's in return! ;) BTW who has potato CD's in Chennai and do they have it all i.e. official + non-us + non-free?? Suraj>  I would also be pleased if u pack KBasic, GBasic and Suraj> phoenix along with this. {G,K}Basic are too unstable I believe. phoenix doesnt run on debian. I dont know why. I will try to put phoenix in (it is an rpm) but no {K,G}basic. Suraj> Myself is itching to have my hands on KDE 2 (-; The prereleases are pretty nice but I still prefer a hand tuned fvwm2. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 03:47:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AA14A2B9 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00516; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:20:30 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:20:00 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00486 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:51 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03619 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:29:37 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:29:37 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Suggest good mailing list server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Kindly suggest me a good mailing list server for our Centre use. If I want to run the following services in a linux machine what security precaution that i should take care of since I am having the bad habit of selecting "Install Everything" option in RedHat CDs. some time back somebody in the list told that by default there will be lot of loopholes in RH Installation particular if we want to run it as a server. * Web Server * Mail Server * DHCP Server * FTP Server * ipchains (firewall) * Mailing list server ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 03:47:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98684A2B7 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 03:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00517; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:20:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:20:01 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00491 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:19:59 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03593 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:01:47 +0530 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:01:47 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: impressions on rhl 7.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Dr. P. Sriram wrote: > problems - so, got a new 10gb (dont ask me why i did not get 20 gb or > whatever... long story), disconnected the old disk and did an install. no what is that story? (any tech. reason?) ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 04:21:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12E94A032 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00765; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:49:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:49:02 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00754 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:48:56 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13h8lI-0005GK-00; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:00:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 04:00:28 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server Message-ID: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu on Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:29:37PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:29:37PM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > Kindly suggest me a good mailing list server for our Centre use. If I Majordomo? Anything GPL seems to get busted - Mailman,ezmlm - I dont like ListServ > want to run the following services in a linux machine what security > precaution that i should take care of since I am having the bad habit of > selecting "Install Everything" option in RedHat CDs. some time back Don't install RedHat ;) More seriously, Read the Security-HOWTO > somebody in the list told that by default there will be lot of loopholes > in RH Installation particular if we want to run it as a server. > * Web Server ApacheSSL with mod_ssl and other SSL/security patches. Disable CGI. > * Mail Server qmail/postfix. > * DHCP Server -shrug- > * FTP Server OpenBSD's ftpd - comes stock with Debian - Better still, disable ftp, use scp. > * ipchains (firewall) secure ipchains?! *nuh uh* > * Mailing list server Majordomo - read above. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 07:45:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A8D4A158 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00332; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:20:58 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:20:28 (IST) Received: from web4503.mail.yahoo.com (web4503.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.64]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00325 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:20:24 +0530 Message-ID: <20001005114450.26335.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.197.142.200] by web4503.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 12:44:50 BST Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:44:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gayathri=20Krishnan?= Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gaykrish@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc --- M K Saravanan wrote: > hi, > > Kindly suggest me a good mailing list server for our > Centre use. If I Majordomo is a good mailing list. mail to majordomo@uow.edu.au ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 19:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265704A13D for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01804; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:04:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:03:34 (IST) Received: from salsa.tranquilmoney.com (IDENT:root@cr-147.themediatc.com [204.143.193.147] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01797 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:03:30 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by salsa.tranquilmoney.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14728 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:13:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Re: ftp problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@tranquilmoney.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Athena wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, M K Saravanan wrote: > > > this is w.r.t. my earlier mail regd. ftp problem. > > > > /* earlier mail */ > > > > I am using ipchains in the linux server to provide Internet connection to > > our Intranet. I am not able to do ftp or wget in any of the system > > connected to Intranet except the server which is running ipchain. But if i > > do ftp using gftp or thru browser i am able to download the > > files. somewhere i studied that ftp needs to open a data connection with > > the target m/c. > > > > Qn.1) If that is the reason why i am not able to connect to ftp > > from intranet? what is the sol. for this? > > > > Qn.2) in that case why it is possible thru browser or gftp? > > > > /* end of earlier mail */ > > > > > > Now if i use --passive-ftp in wget it is working. but if i use passive > > mode in gftp i am getting the following error message: > > > > 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,202,197,152,224,238) Cannot create a data > > connection: No route to host Cannot put file /mksbm.txt to ftp.tripod.com > > Disconnecting from site ftp.tripod.com > > > > > > what could be the problem? > > > > ** mks ** > > > Are you using ip forwarding and is the module for ftp loaded. With > masquarading and ip forwarding turned on, it is possible to use normal > ftp. (Normally ftp requires two connections, one for control and another > for data and the data connection is started from the other end and so > normally if you are behind a firewall, you can't use ftp, but ofcourse you > can use passive mode of ftp). > > -George Samuel > To be more specific, you need to run something like this in some rc file /sbin/depmod -a /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp -- Regards, Tranquilmoney.com Oommen 65, Broadway, Suite 824 New York, NY 10006 Phone: 212-402-5383 x 1782 --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 20:43:31 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CDA4A12A for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02163; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:21:08 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 05:20:38 (IST) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (web123.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.191]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA02152 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:20:33 +0530 Received: (qmail 24963 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2000 03:31:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20001006033151.24962.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [202.86.172.220] by web123.yahoomail.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:31:51 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 20:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ananth S." Subject: Re: linux fdisk To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ananth99@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, are u having problems with fdisk also or just with disk druid ? sorry if ive lost the thread... fdisk commands are quite easy to learn... pressing 'm' at the prompt should give ya a list of options. choose 'p' to print the current partition..'n' to create a new partition, and 'w' to write the new changes..and so on... ive tried fdisk(and disk druid) under 2gb, 4gb and 8gb without any probs so far... Ananth ===== There are no coincidence in life..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 22:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5274A13E for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02634; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:45:42 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:45:12 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA02619 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:45:08 +0530 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:45:08 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server In-Reply-To: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ravikant K.Rao wrote: > Majordomo? Anything GPL seems to get busted - Mailman,ezmlm - I > dont like ListServ ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is also "major"; listserv is quite functional and can be thought of as a light version of majordomo. unless your mailing lists are likely to have thousands of users, listserv will likely to an adequate job. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 23:04:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDD04A147 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00247; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:40:27 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 07:39:57 (IST) Received: from mrna.tn.nic.in (mrna.tn.nic.in [164.100.244.235]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00236 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:39:21 +0530 Received: from gene.tn.nic.in ([164.100.244.237] helo=gene ident=mail) by mrna.tn.nic.in with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 13hQGr-00061g-00 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:12:13 +0530 Received: from kar by gene with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hQc6-0004Ei-00 for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:34:10 +0530 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server References: From: "K. Arun" Date: 06 Oct 2000 11:34:08 +0530 In-Reply-To: "Dr. P. Sriram"'s message of "Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:45:08 +0530 (IST)" Message-ID: <87itr6zesn.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0804 (Gnus v5.8.4) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "K. Arun" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: kar@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc >>>>> "Sriram" == Dr. P Sriram writes: Sriram> ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is Listserv ? Isn't it Listar we are using ? -arun -- arun krishnaswamy http://prometheus.home.dhs.org PGP: 0x5606B2B1 GPG: 1024D/C75FD05C --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 5 23:46:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A5C4A151 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 23:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00497; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:22:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:21:32 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org ([203.197.240.82]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00490 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:20:40 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:02:29 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:02:25 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server In-Reply-To: References: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello, >>>>> "Sriram" == P Sriram writes: Sriram> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ravikant K.Rao wrote: >> Majordomo? Anything GPL seems to get busted - Mailman,ezmlm - I >> dont like ListServ Sriram> ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is Sriram> also "major"; listserv is quite functional and can be Sriram> thought of as a light version of majordomo. unless your Sriram> mailing lists are likely to have thousands of users, Sriram> listserv will likely to an adequate job. I am not sure if you meant Listar or Listserv - But I shall further explain why I said whatever I said. Again, I do not know much about Listar itself. As for Listserv: I do not like the way it handles $listname-request - It obeys some RFC wherein $listname-request@domain.org is actually a *person* and not the subscription program - Not sure how $listname-subscribe@domain.org will work - but with BUGTRAQ, that was what happened. I didn't *like* that feature, more so because I got *too* used to Majordomo on virtually every mailing list server, and can type out MD commands in my sleep .. and listar behaved much like MD .. As for mailman - *everything* about it sucks - it emails passwords in clear text, once a month. The way it handles subscriptions and the commands that it allows are too weird and unlike-able [ This is an opinion, a matter of preference - in functionality, too, however, I believe, it is fairly far behind ] - The commands that ezmlm allow are *so* unconventional that it takes a *long* time to get used to, pretty much. Besides, there were/are a couple exploits on mailman/ezmlm - IIRC systalk@dhs.org runs that.As for Listar/Majordomo - I don't really know about the security implications. -ravi -- Ravikant K.Rao | mowgli | ravi@linux.ca | ravi@symonds.net --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 00:12:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB6B4A191 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00613; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:48:56 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:48:26 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA00602 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:48:24 +0530 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:48:24 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server In-Reply-To: <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ravikant K. Rao wrote: > Hello, > > >>>>> "Sriram" == P Sriram writes: > > Sriram> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Ravikant K.Rao wrote: > >> Majordomo? Anything GPL seems to get busted - Mailman,ezmlm - I > >> dont like ListServ > > Sriram> ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is of course, ilugc runs on listar not listserv. my entire post is about listar. i dont know anything about listserv. apologies for the confusion. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 00:19:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C8B4A12A for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00756; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:55:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:54:34 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00731 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:54:30 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 370 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:30:22 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hRYf-0000Kr-00 for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:34:41 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:34:41 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server In-Reply-To: <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> References: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14813.30672.69647.278824@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Sriram> ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is Ravikant> I am not sure if you meant Listar or Listserv - Ilugc runs on Listar and not on listserv. s/listserv/listar/g and reread Dr. Sriram's mail. :) Ravikant> But I shall further explain why I said whatever I Ravikant> said. Again, I do not know much about Listar itself. As Ravikant> for Listserv: Ravikant> I do not like the way it handles $listname-request Ravikant> - It obeys some RFC wherein $listname-request@domain.org Ravikant> is actually a *person* and not the subscription program Ravikant> - Not sure how $listname-subscribe@domain.org will work Ravikant> - but with BUGTRAQ, that was what happened. I didn't Ravikant> *like* that feature, more so because I got *too* used to Well, I cant say I understand what you mean. I dont really know too much about mailing list managers, except for listar. Ravikant> Majordomo on virtually every mailing list server, and Ravikant> can type out MD commands in my sleep .. and listar Ravikant> behaved much like MD .. As for mailman - *everything* Ravikant> about it sucks - it emails passwords in clear text, once Ravikant> a month. The way it handles subscriptions and the Ravikant> commands that it allows are too weird and unlike-able [ Ravikant> This is an opinion, a matter of preference - in Ravikant> functionality, too, however, I believe, it is fairly far Ravikant> behind ] - The commands that ezmlm allow are *so* I dont know how true your comments on mailman are. Mailman is also relatively easy to use, provides an easy web based access and also provides good arciving features. There were security issues with it but I believe all major issues were fixed as of V2.0. As regards passwords, it really doesnt matter. This is after all a login to change your list preferences. I dont know if anyone would be interested in such information. It is not like password to a machine. The deal about unconventionality is a personal problem, IMHO, something that MKS wouldnt really care about. BTW debian 2.2. ships with listar (apart from other mailing list managers). What does Thaths mailing lists on? Majordomo?? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 06:49:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59A94A212 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02763; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:14:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 15:13:58 (IST) Received: from hd2.dot.net.in (hd2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.30.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02756 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 15:13:56 +0530 Received: from 202.54.30.65 ([202.54.30.65]) by hd2.dot.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01576 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:30:56 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:34:07 +0530 From: BGanesh X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Personal Organization: Sunya X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18528917504.20001006173407@vsnl.com> To: ilugc Subject: Plug an Play For Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: BGa@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Just noticed this on the Intel website : http://developer.intel.com/ial/upnp/download.htm Anybody know of this initiative? regards BGa --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 06:55:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4835F4A151 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00246; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:09:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 06 Oct 2000 19:08:50 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00231 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:08:40 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hVcw-0000GU-00; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 04:25:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:25:22 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server Message-ID: <20001006042522.A979@symonds.net> References: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> <14813.30672.69647.278824@monster.linux.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <14813.30672.69647.278824@monster.linux.in>; from prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:34:41PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:34:41PM +0530, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: Prabhu> The deal about unconventionality is a personal problem, IMHO, Prabhu> something that MKS wouldnt really care about. That it is a personal problem was already stated by me :p Prabhu> list managers). What does Thaths mailing lists on? Majordomo?? Yup - AFAIK Thaths packages Majordomo on Woody - Official packages on slink/potato were withdrawn or somesuch, last I checked on -devel. And yes, I'm pretty sure Thaths' box runs Majordomo Beta over postfix as MTA. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 12:49:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6E04A0FF for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01499; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:58:17 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 00:57:46 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01493 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:57:37 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96JFVJ19249 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G20WOF01.Y9M for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:26:39 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39DE276E.5005541A@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:26:38 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server References: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" proclaimed: > >>>>> "Sriram" == P Sriram writes: > Sriram> ilugc runs on listserv. majordomo is very good but it is > Sriram> also "major"; listserv is quite functional and can be > Sriram> thought of as a light version of majordomo. unless your > Sriram> mailing lists are likely to have thousands of users, > Sriram> listserv will likely to an adequate job. ListServ is a commercial software. I have to pay to use them for a large mailing list. > As for Listserv: > > I do not like the way it handles $listname-request - It > obeys some RFC wherein $listname-request@domain.org is actually a > *person* and not the subscription program - Not sure how > $listname-subscribe@domain.org will work - but with BUGTRAQ, that was > what happened. I didn't *like* that feature, more so because I got > *too* used to Majordomo on virtually every mailing list server, and > can type out MD commands in my sleep .. and listar behaved much like > MD .. As for mailman - *everything* about it sucks - it emails > passwords in clear text, once a month. The way it handles > subscriptions and the commands that it allows are too weird and > unlike-able [ This is an opinion, a matter of preference - in > functionality, too, however, I believe, it is fairly far behind ] - > The commands that ezmlm allow are *so* unconventional that it takes a > *long* time to get used to, pretty much. Besides, there were/are a > couple exploits on mailman/ezmlm - IIRC systalk@dhs.org runs that.As > for Listar/Majordomo - I don't really know about the security > implications. Majordomo2 (which is being used in lists.linux-india.org) is waaaay ahead of mj1. S. -- "[muttering] Ow, ow, stupid trash, rotten, stinky, hate world, revenge soon, take out on everyone..." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 12:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEFE4A0FF for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01542; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:04:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:04:02 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01531 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 01:03:56 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e96JMBJ20102 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G20WZI00.WBO for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:33:18 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39DE28FE.56ADB843@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:33:18 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Suggest good mailing list server References: <20001005040028.C20054@symonds.net> <14813.29177.819452.158273@rockford.dyndns.org> <14813.30672.69647.278824@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Prabhu Ramachandran proclaimed: > BTW debian 2.2. ships with listar (apart from other mailing > list managers). What does Thaths mailing lists on? Majordomo?? Majordomo 1.9x had a really crappy license. That is why majordomo 1 was under non-free in Debian 2.1 The license forbade (forbidded? ;-) Debian from patching mj. Patching to even remove severe security problems was not permitted. That is why Debian dropped mj1 from potato. I have volunteered to get mj2 packaged for woody. mj2 not only comes with a free license (Apache-ish license) but also is waaay ahead in terms of configurability. As for lists.linux-india.org, it runs on mj2. Thaths -- "[muttering] Ow, ow, stupid trash, rotten, stinky, hate world, revenge soon, take out on everyone..." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 6 22:02:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45F24A04D for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02605; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:17:19 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:16:49 (IST) Received: from railmalem.caltiger.com ([202.86.136.23]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02599 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:16:47 +0530 Received: from debianut.ekmnet.in by railmalem.caltiger.com (8.9.3/1.1.4.2/07Aug00-0105PM) id KAA0000008416; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:15:48 +0530 (IST) Received: from ragu by debianut.ekmnet.in with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13hlph-000061-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:13:37 +0530 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:13:37 +0530 From: Raghavendra Bhat To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: RedHat users' BEWARE !! Message-ID: <20001007101337.A334@debianut.ekmnet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Power of the GNU (http://www.gnu.org/) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ragu@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello: Red Hat users' migrating to Red Hat v7.0 are warned of severe incompatibilities. Please read the below given link: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-announce/2000/msg00003.html This shows that release cycles have to be brought down. There is no point is bringing out NEW versions if it is going to be totally broken and incompatible. -- ragOO, VU2RGU Keeping the Air-Waves FREE.....Amateur Radio Keeping the W W W FREE..Debian GNU/Linux --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 7 02:02:56 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AB44A01E for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03204; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:20:53 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:20:23 (IST) Received: from mrna.tn.nic.in (mrna.tn.nic.in [164.100.244.235]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03196 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:19:53 +0530 Received: from gene.tn.nic.in ([164.100.244.237] helo=gene ident=mail) by mrna.tn.nic.in with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 13hpXc-0007Tl-00 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:11:12 +0530 Received: from kar by gene with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hpst-00009j-00 for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:33:11 +0530 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> From: "K. Arun" Date: 07 Oct 2000 14:33:09 +0530 In-Reply-To: Prabhu Ramachandran's message of "Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:46:19 +0530 (IST)" Message-ID: <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0804 (Gnus v5.8.4) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "K. Arun" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: kar@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran writes: Prabhu> The prereleases are pretty nice but I still prefer a Prabhu> hand tuned fvwm2. I got down the 'potato' KDE 1.94 debs from kde.tdyc.com (IIRC), a straightforward 28.7 Mb. download with '# apt-get install task-kde'. Been playing around with it for a day, no crashes so far. A fast machine would help though, things are a bit slower than I remember with KDE 1.1. Konqueror is pretty nice, has some nifty features, and quite stable too. A screenshot is up at: http://gene.tn.nic.in/~kar/eye-candy.html Also up is a shot of my normal fvwm2 desktop, purely for contrast. :-) -arun -- arun krishnaswamy http://prometheus.home.dhs.org PGP: 0x5606B2B1 GPG: 1024D/C75FD05C --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 7 02:30:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7881549F48 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03296; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:47:58 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:47:28 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03290 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:47:26 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 305 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:41:36 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hq5C-0000L1-00 for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:45:54 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:45:53 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil In-Reply-To: <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14814.59576.142618.946561@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Arun" == K Arun writes: Arun> I got down the 'potato' KDE 1.94 debs from Arun> kde.tdyc.com (IIRC), a straightforward 28.7 Mb. download Arun> with '# apt-get install task-kde'. Been playing around with Arun> it for a day, no crashes so far. A fast machine would help Arun> though, things are a bit slower than I remember with KDE Arun> 1.1. Konqueror is pretty nice, has some nifty features, and Arun> quite stable too. A screenshot is up at: I have got kde2 running on 2 machines at iit using the exact same method. I will wait for the final release of kde before burining the debs on CD. Arun> http://gene.tn.nic.in/~kar/eye-candy.html Looks nice. Have you put up your fvwm2 config at dofiles.com? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 7 03:24:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC034A037 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 03:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03442; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:42:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:42:27 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03432 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:42:23 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hqxH-0002Ya-00; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 03:11:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 03:11:47 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil Message-ID: <20001007031147.A9827@symonds.net> References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> <14814.59576.142618.946561@monster.linux.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <14814.59576.142618.946561@monster.linux.in>; from prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 02:45:53PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 02:45:53PM +0530, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > Looks nice. Have you put up your fvwm2 config at dofiles.com? and dotfiles.org too, please :) -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 7 04:06:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ADB4A021 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 04:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03571; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:12:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:11:35 (IST) Received: from mrna.tn.nic.in (mrna.tn.nic.in [164.100.244.235]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03560 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:11:20 +0530 Received: from gene.tn.nic.in ([164.100.244.237] helo=gene ident=mail) by mrna.tn.nic.in with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 13hrHa-0007c4-00 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:02:46 +0530 Received: from kar by gene with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13hrd3-0000P3-00 for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:24:57 +0530 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> <14814.59576.142618.946561@monster.linux.in> <20001007031147.A9827@symonds.net> From: "K. Arun" Date: 07 Oct 2000 16:24:55 +0530 In-Reply-To: "Ravikant K.Rao"'s message of "Sat, 7 Oct 2000 03:11:47 -0700" Message-ID: <87bswwexa8.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0804 (Gnus v5.8.4) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "K. Arun" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: kar@myrealbox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: >> Looks nice. Have you put up your fvwm2 config at dofiles.com? Not yet. If anyone's that keen :), drop me a line for the fvwm2 configuration. The .emacs is up at dotfiles.com. Ravikant> and dotfiles.org too, please :) Hmmm. Do I cut and paste into the web page ? :-) -arun -- arun krishnaswamy http://prometheus.home.dhs.org PGP: 0x5606B2B1 GPG: 1024D/C75FD05C --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 9 20:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F794A00A for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11681; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:27 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11672 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:22 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ilSU-0000af-00; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:31:46 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: User-Mode-Linux Message-ID: <20001009153146.A2224@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ - Lets you compile a real kernel and run a virtual box with virtual memory/hardware - seems something like VMWare, except hajaar more advanced - IMHO its a must-see for any guy thats ever compiled a kernel manually Swaraj: Its got a lotta security stuff in it - Look into it. later, -ravi PS: How many people *are* infact going to IT.COM? Suraj? Wanna go? PPS: ooh - I just remembered - Atul Chitnis emailed LinuxWeeklyNews about IT.COM and the role of Linux in it and they posted it on their main page - do look at it - its an interesting email - http://lwn.net/daily/bangalore.php3 --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 9 20:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAD04A01E for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11678; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:17 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11665 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:38:12 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ilEs-0000ZY-00; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:17:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:17:42 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: [Humour] RedHat responds to Allegations! Message-ID: <20001009151742.A2172@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-10-09-005-21-NW-CY-RH Micros^H^H^H^H^H^HRedHat Inc., just responded to some of the allegations made on /. - including about how RH was trying to make it a properitary standard under Linux, and they messed many things up - Of course, they have Alan on their side,... but this is getting more and more hilarious ;) Its a must-see for every RH user - about how RH decides to conveniently shift the blame on the luser - "I couldn't care if the lusers didn't do enough testing before they try out our frequent-releases on production boxes - it ain't our fault" <- haha - ;) The funnier it gets... -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 9 21:18:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8426549F49 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12399; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:24:30 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:24:00 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12384 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:23:48 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e99GrPI28195 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G269WD00.2WF for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:00:13 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39E1F99D.7B2E0605@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:00:13 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: KDE 2.0 will have tamil References: <39DC255E.BE3B578F@chennailug.org> <14812.14021.661775.647567@monster.linux.in> <87u2apnhv6.fsf@gene.tn.nic.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "K. Arun" proclaimed: > http://gene.tn.nic.in/~kar/eye-candy.html Lemme guess. kar is applying for a Masters / Ph.D. in Watson School of Biological Sciences? ;-) Thaths -- "[muttering] Ow, ow, stupid trash, rotten, stinky, hate world, revenge soon, take out on everyone..." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 10 08:43:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740F4A419 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15720; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:06 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15704 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:18:52 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08349 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:58 +0530 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:58 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: text attch. as body of the mess. while fwd. in PINE. In-Reply-To: <14819.7655.320966.293623@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > Read the file while editing the body of the message and insert > it manually. I think the short cut to do this is is Ctrl+R. my question is, i got a mail with two text attachment. i want to fwd. that mail to you (say). I want to expand the text attach. in the body of the mess. while fwd. it to you. how to achieve that? -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 10 08:43:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A32E4A41C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15355; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:11:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:10:32 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15349 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:10:19 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08217 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:16:14 +0530 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:16:14 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: text attch. as body of the mess. while fwd. in PINE. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, when i fwd. a mail, which contains few text attachments, i want to include the attch. as the body of the message instead of going as attached mess. how to do that in PINE? -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 10 08:43:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2A84A172 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15414; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:21:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:21:01 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15407 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:20:46 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 496 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:14:56 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13izm4-0000W3-00 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:18:56 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:18:56 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: text attch. as body of the mess. while fwd. in PINE. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14819.7655.320966.293623@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Read the file while editing the body of the message and insert it manually. I think the short cut to do this is is Ctrl+R. prabhu >>>>> "MKS" == M K Saravanan writes: MKS> hi, when i fwd. a mail, which contains few text attachments, MKS> i want to include the attch. as the body of the message MKS> instead of going as attached mess. MKS> how to do that in PINE? --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 10 11:05:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35914A16C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16693; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:21:37 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:21:07 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.135.29]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16687 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:21:01 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:22:18 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14819.22339.611555.498267@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:22:03 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: pavuk [better wget?] X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I was looking around, and found a questionably "better" and "more powerful" downloader, called "pavuk" - its packaged under Debian (woody) and hence, you can do the apt-get trick ... and the others, if interested, can check out http://www.idata.sk/~ondrej/pavuk/ - I'm running Version 0.9pl26 on my machine... pavuk is a GUI tool - I personally like the way it can do a recursive ripping of an entire page/directory, and *supposedly* has better "powers" and "customisability" than wget - but I haven't looked into all of that stuff. cheers, -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 11 19:49:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D494A044 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04029; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:02:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:02:17 (IST) Received: from hd2.dot.net.in (hd2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.30.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04023 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:02:14 +0530 Received: from 202.54.30.73 ([202.54.30.73]) by hd2.dot.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00346 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:02:53 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:05:59 +0530 From: BGanesh X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Personal Organization: Sunya X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <861711716.20001012080559@vsnl.com> To: ilugc Subject: Secure web based mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: BGa@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, For the paranoid amongst us : http://www.hushmail.com (Score : -1, Offtopic, Informative) :) BGa ---- Where there is a will, there is a won't. ---- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 08:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208034A2B6 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12283; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:06:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:05:41 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12261 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:05:36 +0530 Received: from system1 ([202.9.180.61]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31361 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:56:16 +0500 Message-ID: <00ac01c03437$f4dacec0$3db409ca@system1> From: "Suraj.co.in" To: Subject: KDE Localisation Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:02:28 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, Check out the first KDE Localisation documentation meet: http://www.kde.org/announcements/doc-loc-meeting.html -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 08:52:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D302C4A0EE for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12459; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:23:18 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:47 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12453 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:41 +0530 Received: from system1 (gnan@[202.9.180.61]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31641 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:14:26 +0500 Message-ID: <010701c0343a$89a344e0$3db409ca@system1> From: "Suraj.co.in" To: References: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> Subject: Re: ILUGC marketting [Vote?] Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:21:53 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey all, > > Thanks for bringing this up. I will be busy on the 21st of > October. Dr. Sriram told me that both 21st and 28th are ok with him. > So it is up to you folks to decide. I prefer the 28th of October. > Besides KDE release is delayed, so if it is on the 28th it may be > possible for me to burn the KDE debs... > MY VOTE == 28 > Mr. S. Gopinath is going to talk on SNMP. I dont know for how > long. There is nothing else on the agenda for the moment. Maybe a > demo of RH 7.0? Anyone?? It doesnt look all that bad and has quite a > few useful additions. > > prabhu > -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 08:52:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457D04A0EE for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12230; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:01:18 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:00:47 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12221 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:00:46 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 504 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:54:59 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13jfbe-00009D-00 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:58 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:58:58 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: ILUGC marketting In-Reply-To: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> References: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Thanks for bringing this up. I will be busy on the 21st of October. Dr. Sriram told me that both 21st and 28th are ok with him. So it is up to you folks to decide. I prefer the 28th of October. Besides KDE release is delayed, so if it is on the 28th it may be possible for me to burn the KDE debs... Mr. S. Gopinath is going to talk on SNMP. I dont know for how long. There is nothing else on the agenda for the moment. Maybe a demo of RH 7.0? Anyone?? It doesnt look all that bad and has quite a few useful additions. prabhu >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> Hi all, What happenned to the newspaper announcement Suraj> (engagements) of our next meet? Who's gonna do it? What Suraj> agenda? (SNMP?). It would be better if we plan and inform Suraj> the NPs at least a week in advance. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 08:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D7E4A0EE for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12105; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:47:37 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:47:06 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12089 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:47:00 +0530 Received: from system1 ([202.9.180.61]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31106 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:37:20 +0500 Message-ID: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> From: "Suraj.co.in" To: Subject: ILUGC marketting Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:44:50 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi all, What happenned to the newspaper announcement (engagements) of our next meet? Who's gonna do it? What agenda? (SNMP?). It would be better if we plan and inform the NPs at least a week in advance. -Suraj --------------------------------------------------------- First they ignore you; Then they laugh at you; Then they fight with you; and in the end you win. --Mahatma Gandhi -------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 20:23:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DD94A094 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13730; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:15 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:08:45 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13709 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:08:39 +0530 Received: from os4 (node-64-248-114-130.dslspeed.zyan.com [64.248.114.130]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03600 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:00:59 +0500 Message-ID: <005001c0340b$4ff22dd0$f0ff000a@os4> From: "Pichai Asokan" To: References: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> <010701c0343a$89a344e0$3db409ca@system1> Subject: Re: ILUGC marketting [Vote?] Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:14:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: pasokan@os4.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc my vote=28 too Will be back in India by 16th; but first week after return will be hectic I think P Asokan --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 20:24:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8327A4A098 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00454; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:36:43 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:36:13 (IST) Received: from salsa.tranquilmoney.com (IDENT:root@cr-147.themediatc.com [204.143.193.147] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00443 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:36:07 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by salsa.tranquilmoney.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29564 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: ILUG Chennai Subject: Zyxel TA128 on RHL 6.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@tranquilmoney.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, We are trying to upgrade on server of ours to 6.2. The old server was connected to the ISP over ISDN using TA128 from Zyxel. Even if we use the same cable and with a working serial port (that works with an analog modem), the connection doesnt go through. This happens with another server of ours too, in a different location. I was wondering if something has changed between versions and some settings need to be changed. Newsgroups seem to have no posting on this. We use kermit (using a script) to dial to the ISP. We tried troubleshooting using cu, dip etc and same case. Looks like the (outgoing) serial ports are now called ttyS0,ttyS1... instaed of cua0,cua1.... and we use the new notation itself. PS: The cable, serial port on the machine, DTE on the TA - all these look OK while testing. And we use the same script/commands to communicate with the modem. My understanding is that the ISDN modules are needed only when ISDN cards are used and for TA's they can be connected to the serial port like analog modems. (Thats how we have them running with RHL 5.1/5.2 for quite sometime now.) Am I missing something? TIA. -- Regards, Tranquilmoney.com Oommen 65, Broadway, Suite 824 New York, NY 10006 Phone: 212-402-5383 x 1782 --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 20:59:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAE64A112 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01128; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:10 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01118 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:03 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15936 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:03:54 +0530 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:03:54 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: linux tutorial in Tamil (TSCII) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-ID: X-Listar-MIME-Decode: Message altered to plaintext; MIME attachments removed or decrypted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Dear all, Herewith I have attached a small Linux Tutorial in Tamil (TSCII Format) which was typed using AKARAMTeX Editor. Kindly go through this and send your suggestion. I am not a tamil expert so bear with english transliteration in the tutorial here and there. If it seems o.k. i am planning to write a dozen of similar tutors. (I have already written 6 exercises in English). TAM/TAB users kindly wait for some time. Currently I dont have any TAM/TAB fonts in Linux. 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Ä¢É슨º ÀÂýÀÎòÐõ ´ù¦Å¡Õ ÀÂýÀ¡ð¼¡ÇÕìÌõ «ÅÕ즸ýÚ À¢Ãò§Â¸ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢ ±ýÚ ´ýÚ ­ÕìÌõ. «Å÷¾õ §¸¡ôÒì¸û «¨ÉòÐõ ­¾ý ¸£ú À¡Ð¸¡òÐ ¨Åì¸ôÀÎõ. ­¾¨É äº÷ §†¡õ ¨¼ÃìÊâ ±ýÀ÷. ¦À¡ÐÅ¡¸ ¯í¸û äº÷ §¿Á¢ý ¦ÀÂâ§Ä§Â ­ó¾ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢ «¨Áó¾¢ÕìÌõ. ¯¾¡Ã½Á¡¸ ±ýÛ¨¼Â äº÷ §¿õ mksarav ±ýÀ¾¡ø ±ÉÐ §†¡õ ¨¼ÃìÊâ - /home/mksarav. ¯í¸û §†¡õ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢Â¢ý ¸£ú "tmp" ±ýÈ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢¨Â ¯ÕÅ¡ìÌí¸û. ´Õ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢Â¢Ä¢ÕóÐ Áü¦È¡Õ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢ìÌ Á¡È "cd" ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Â ÀÂýÀÎòÐí¸û. mkdir /home/mksarav/tmp cd /home/mksarav/tmp 6. ±ýÉ ¿ñÀ÷¸§Ç - §À¡ÃÊ츢Ⱦ¡? "pico" ±Êð¼¨Ã ÀÂýÀÎò¾¢ ´Õ "º¢" ҧḢáõ ±ØЧšÁ¡? À¢§¸¡, ÀÂýÀÎòОüÌ Á¢¸×õ ±Ç¢¨Á¡ÉÐ. Ó츢Âì ¸ð¼¨Ç¸û «¨Éò¨¾Ôõ ¸¨¼º¢ ­Õ Åâ¸Ç¢ø ¸¡ðÊì ¦¸¡ñÊÕìÌõ. ¯í¸û ҧḢá¨Á §ºÁ¢òÐ ¦ÅÇ¢§ÂÈ ¸ñð§Ã¡ø ÁüÚõ X ¸£¸¨Ç ´Õ§ºÃ «èò¾×õ. pico test.c #include int main(void) { printf("Hello World\n"); return 0; } 7. Å¡Õí¸û.., gcc ±ýÈ «üÒ¾ "º¢" ¸õ¨ÀĨÃô ÀÂýÀÎò¾¢ ¿ÁÐ test.c ҧḢá¨Á ¸õ¨Àø ¦ºöÂÄ¡õ. gcc ¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾¢ C ÁüÚõ C++ ҧḢáõ¸¨Çì ¸õ¨Àø ¦ºö ÓÊÔõ. «×ðÒ𨼠test ±ýÈ §¸¡ôÀ¢ø §ºÁ¢òÐ ¨Åì¸ -o ¨Åô ÀÂýÀÎò¾×õ. gcc -o test test.c ­ô§À¡Ð test ³ ­Â츢ô À¡÷ô§À¡Á¡? ./test ¾¡Š ÁüÚõ Å¢ñ§¼¡Š ­Âí̾Çò¨¾ô §À¡ÄøÄ¡Áø Ä¢Éì…¢ø ´Õ ·¨À¨Äì ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢ð¼¡ø «¨¾ ¾ü§À¡Ð À½¢Â¡üÚõ ¨¼Ãì¼Ã¢Â¢ø (current dir) §¾¼¡Ð. §Áü¸ñ¼ ¸ð¨¼¨Ç¢ø . ±ýÈ ÌȢ£Π¾ü§À¡Ð ¿£í¸û À½¢Â¡üÚõ ¨¼ÃìÊâ¢ø test ¨À¨Ä §¾ÎÁ¡Ú «È¢×Úòи¢ÈÐ. 8. («) ´Õ ¦¼ìŠð ¨ÀÄ¢ý Ó¾ø º¢Ä Å⸨Ç측½ head ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾Ä¡õ head /home/mksarav/test.c head /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO (¬) Å¡ø À̾¢Â¢¨Éô À¡÷¨Å¢¼ tail ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾Ä¡õ. tail /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO (­) ¦Á¡ò¾ ¦¼ìŠð ·¨À¨ÄÔõ À¡÷¨Å¢¼ cat ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾×õ cat /home/mksarav/test.c (®) ´Õ ¿£ñ¼ ¦¼ìŠð ·¨À¨Ä ¦¸¡ïºõ ¦¸¡ïºÁ¡¸ ¿¢Èò¾¢ô À¡÷¨Å¢¼ more ¸ð¼¨Ç ÀÂýÀÎõ. more ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎòÐõ §À¡Ð À¢ý§¿¡ì¸¢î ¦ºøÄ ÓÊ¡Ð. ±É§Å less ±ýÈ Áü¦È¡Õ ¸ð¼¨Ç ¯ÕÅ¡ì¸ôÀð¼Ð. ­¾¢ø Óý§¿¡ì¸¢ ÁüÚõ À¢ý§¿¡ì¸¢Ôõ ¦ºøÄÄ¡õ. ("less" is more than "more"). §ÁÖõ less ¸ð¼¨Ç¢ø Àø§ÅÚ º¢ÈôÒ Åº¾¢¸Ùõ ¯ûÇÉ. ¯¾Å¢ìÌ man ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô§À¡ý§È info ±ýÈ ¸ð¼¨Ç¨ÂÔõ ÀÂýÀÎò¾Ä¡õ. ±í§¸ info ãÄõ less ³ôÀüÈ¢ «È¢óÐ ¦¸¡ûÙí¸û À¡÷ì¸Ä¡õ. cat /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO | more cat /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO | less info less ¦À¡ÐÅ¡¸ ÔÉ¢ìŠ ¯Ä¸ò¾¢ø ´Õ ¸ð¼¨Ç¨ÂôÀüÈ¢ §ÁÖõ Å¢ÀÃÁȢ ÍÕì¸Á¡¸ RTFM ±ýÚ ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢ðÊÕôÀ¡÷¸û. ­¾üÌ Read The Fine Manual (RTFM) ±ýÚ ¦À¡Õû. À¢ü¸¡Äò¾¢ø Åó¾ º¢Ä Å¢„Á¢¸û ­¾¨É Read The Fucking Manual ±ýÚ «¨Æì¸ò ¦¾¡¼í¸¢Å¢ð¼¡÷¸û. ¯í¸û ź¾¢ ±ôÀÊ §ÅñÎÁ¡É¡Öõ «¨ÆòÐ즸¡ûÙí¸û. 9. ­ý¨È §¾¾¢ ÁüÚõ ¾ü§À¡¨¾Â §¿Ãò¨¾ô ¸¡½ date ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾×õ date 10. ±øÄ¡ §Å¨Ä¸¨ÇÔõ ÓÊò¾À¢ÈÌ º¢Š¼ò¾¢Ä¢ÕóÐ ¦ÅÇ¢§ÂÈ logout «øÄÐ exit ¸ð¼¨Ç¨Âô ÀÂýÀÎò¾Ä¡õ. ¿¡ýÌ ±ØòÐ츨Çì ܼ ¨¼ô ¦ºö ÅÄ¢¨Á ­ø¨Ä¦ÂýÈ¡ø ¦ºøÄÁ¡¸ ¸ñð§Ã¡ø ÁüÚõ D ¸£¨Â ´Õ§ºÃ «Øò¾×õ. ** ¿ýÈ¢ ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 12 21:00:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CCB4A112 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01127; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:34 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:14:04 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA01115 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:13:58 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25926 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:31:43 +0530 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 05:31:43 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Need to creat Lexical Resources for Indian Lang. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:00:49 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: tamilinix@egroups.com Subject: Re: [tamilinix] FYI - Indic Pango, support for other Indian Languages On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Maniam wrote: > Would members of this group prep to m ake a presenation on tamil linux in > the forth coming > Tamil Inaiyam 2001 in Kuala Lumpur ,Malaysia sure. Particularly Mr.Siva & his group has done significant work on tamil KDE. Recently ACL (Association of COmputational Linguistics) Intl. Conference held from Oct 3-9 at HongKong. only one person from India Participated in that conference (Dr.Rajeev Sangal, Lang. Technology Research Centre, IIIT, Hyderabad). Fortunately I had a chance to meet him at chennai and discussed about position of Indian Lang. at International Scenario. He said according to the current situation India seems to lagging behind atleast 10 years in the case of building lexical resources like * Building Huge Annotated Corpora for Indian Lang. * Building Parallel Corpora for Indian Lang. * Statistical Data Processing Tools for Indian Lang. * Building reasobly sized dictionary/thesaurus for Indian Lang. etc.., He has a strong believe in Open source for these kind of activities. His group (earlier at IIT-Kanpur then Central Univ. Hyderabad & now at IIIT, Hyderabad) has developed Indian lang. to Indian lang. Human Aided Machine Translation System called "Anusaaraka" for the following: telugu to hindi marathi to hindi kannada to hindi (all under GNU/GPL) interested guys can watch about anusaaraka at: http://www.tdil.gov.in/anusarakahtm.htm (it's a old link i will update about thenew link soon). also go thru www.tdil.gov.in At our centre (AU-KBC) we have developed a preliminary version of Tamil to Hindi Anusaaraka which contains 32,000 words in the dictionary. Currently it is in development stage and translate simple sentences (without ambiguity). We are also planning to start English to Tamil Human aided MT system from Nov.2000 onwards. We (tamilinix) should make short term and long term goals atleast for the next one year so that we can move fast. we can even setup a translation team for the Linux-HOWTOs. CUrrently I am writing a small linux tutor (for avg. level computer user) in tamil (TSCII format using AkaramTeX editor). By this weekend i will post it to the list. suggestions are welcome. -- mks -- -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. 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Our e-mail address : alojetic@satyam.net.in Phone : 011 - 6966091 / 011 - 6520632 Mobile : 98-100-93661 Voicemail : 9396060 Fax : 011 - 6520636 From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 01:49:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE17449FDE for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03303; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:00:59 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:00:29 (IST) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (web113.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.84]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03297 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:00:25 +0530 Received: (qmail 13931 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2000 08:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [202.9.174.7] by web113.yahoomail.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:30:55 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ananth=20S.?=" Subject: LUG-C meeting To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ananth99@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello, i was just wondering if we could have the meetings on sundays instead of on saturdays.... and another small q.... debian or rh... which one would u suggest to be installed right now ? assuming the user has some previous linux experience... Ananth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 02:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DEA4A170 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03540; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:35:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:35:05 (IST) Received: from hd2.dot.net.in (hd2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.30.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03534 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:35:02 +0530 Received: from 202.54.30.73 ([202.54.30.73]) by hd2.dot.net.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32376 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:36:26 +0530 (IST) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:39:32 +0530 From: BGanesh X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Personal Organization: Sunya X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2114358686.20001013143932@vsnl.com> To: "\"Ananth S.\"" Subject: Re: LUG-C meeting In-reply-To: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: BGa@vsnl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Ananth, AS> and another small q.... debian or rh... which one AS> would u suggest to be installed right now ? assuming AS> the user has some previous linux experience... Oh My GOD!! You really should save these kind of inflammable questions for elsewhere.. that is what Usenet was invented for :) Having said that, here is my /personal/ opinion : go with debian, it is stable out of the box (assuming you install from a stable distro). My production machine here runs debian here and has had an uptime for ~1yr (when did Thaths send us the nice CD's?) Regards BGa --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 06:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E244A00A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04426; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:23:34 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04420 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:23:32 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 528 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:18:21 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13k4Ju-0000N6-00 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:22:18 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:22:17 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: LUG-C meeting In-Reply-To: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14823.1263.669717.336863@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ananth" == =?iso-8859-1?q?Ananth=20S ?= writes: Ananth> Hello, i was just wondering if we could have the meetings Ananth> on sundays instead of on saturdays.... This has been discussed before and quite a few prefer saturdays. Maybe we can discuss this in the next meeting. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 08:28:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184A24A026 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04876; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:40:54 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:40:24 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@dail.pppmad.vsnl.net.in [203.197.135.8] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04870 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:40:19 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:15:24 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14821.60068.318424.387257@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:15:24 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: ILUGC marketting In-Reply-To: <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> References: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hullo: I haven't been able to make it to the last 2 meetings, and haven't basically had opportunities to annoy Prabhu. So my vote goes for whenever Prabhu is free ;-) - namely, the 28th. And yes, KDE Debs sound interesting. Just wondering, I managed to land a copy of OpenBSD 2.7 (Which is most certainly NOT up for grabs at the moment - and doesn't look like it will be, for awhile - email me in private if you want me to add your name to the list of people who want it) from CheapBytes, and maybe you would wanna demo it? Infact, we could install RedHat first, and then OpenBSD and access the ext2 partition[s] from inside BSD - Also saves time, configuring LILO :) If someone's interested, I could do it. Also, the regular OpenBSD gurus on our list (Aravind) [*] could talk about OpenBSD itself - or if people don't like the idea of discussing BSD on a *Linux* User Group meeting, feel free to holler :) -ravi [*] - I started with "gurus" because I wanted to add kar,Swaraj - I realised it was futile because: a] kar isn't here physically, and hence can't talk about it. b] Swaraj is not a guru ... which leaves only Aravind... hehehehe - *runs away ducking and grinning* PS: (Oh is that supposed to be PPS because there's already a PS that isn't marked PS, up above?) PPS: This is probably supposed to PPPS, but anyways, here goes: Isn't marketing spelt marketing and NOT markeTTing, as it is, in the Subject Line? :) >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran writes: Prabhu> hi, Thanks for bringing this up. I will be busy on the Prabhu> 21st of October. Dr. Sriram told me that both 21st and Prabhu> 28th are ok with him. So it is up to you folks to decide. Prabhu> I prefer the 28th of October. Besides KDE release is Prabhu> delayed, so if it is on the 28th it may be possible for me Prabhu> to burn the KDE debs... Prabhu> Mr. S. Gopinath is going to talk on SNMP. I dont know Prabhu> for how long. There is nothing else on the agenda for the Prabhu> moment. Maybe a demo of RH 7.0? Anyone?? It doesnt look Prabhu> all that bad and has quite a few useful additions. Prabhu> prabhu >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> Hi all, What happenned to the newspaper announcement Suraj> (engagements) of our next meet? Who's gonna do it? What Suraj> agenda? (SNMP?). It would be better if we plan and inform Suraj> the NPs at least a week in advance. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 09:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6203E4A01E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05045; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:28:03 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:27:33 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05039 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:27:28 +0530 Received: from os4 (node-64-248-114-130.dslspeed.zyan.com [64.248.114.130]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22727 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:20:10 +0500 Message-ID: <003001c034ce$cad15e40$f0ff000a@os4> From: "Pichai Asokan" To: References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: LUG-C meeting Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:33:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: pasokan@os4.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc No doubts on that one - If you have some Linux experience Debian is the way to go. P Asokan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ananth S." To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: LUG-C meeting > Hello, > > i was just wondering if we could have the meetings on > sundays instead of on saturdays.... > > and another small q.... debian or rh... which one > would u suggest to be installed right now ? assuming > the user has some previous linux experience... > > Ananth > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 09:39:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66AF94A04A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05204; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:56:04 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:55:34 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05194 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:55:26 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13k7eb-0006wB-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:25:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:25:53 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: LUG-C meeting Message-ID: <20001013092553.A26617@symonds.net> References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>; from ananth99@yahoo.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:30:55AM -0700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, About sundays - My personal preferences are saturdays, because I would like my sundays to be free to do with it, what I want to. About distributions: read the Distribution-HOWTO or whatever it goes by the name of - "choosing a distribution" probably - IIRC it was written by ESR - and then figure out which distribution ESR thinks you will like best. imho - you can't "tell" a person something like, "go, start using here" - it doesn't work that way - for someone that likes to experiment/poke around the box, (s)he will automagically try installing everything and play around with just about everything available, before deciding for oneself, which distribution that they like - at one time, i hated debian - and now, i just love it - its all a phase change kinda thing, imho - preferences/style/requirements/taste varies with time/skill set/expectations etc. - there are just *Way* too many variables to contend with - i'm already kinda getting bored with (repeat, bored, not dissatisfied - there's a subtle difference) debian - i wanna get outta the shores, at i'm like looking at www.linuxfromscratch.org ... stuff like that ... so its not like "go for rh" or "go for deb" ... its "go for whatever your mind takes you to" To this day - to anyone that asks me, as a newbie, about which distribution to try out first - i always recommend slack, because imho, thats where you *learn* stuff, as in you are *FORCED* to learn it - the learning curve is much steeper - i personally despise slack just because of the lack of package management thereof. you know .. yada yada yada .. -ravi On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:30:55AM -0700, Ananth S. wrote: > Hello, > > i was just wondering if we could have the meetings on > sundays instead of on saturdays.... > > and another small q.... debian or rh... which one > would u suggest to be installed right now ? assuming > the user has some previous linux experience... > > Ananth > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 10:35:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CA64A034 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05418; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:53:14 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:52:44 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05412 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:52:37 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9DHFaI03520 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2DPLH01.Q1W for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:29 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39E744D5.C1C0D73F@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:22:29 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: LUG-C meeting References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <20001013092553.A26617@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K.Rao" proclaimed: > imho - you can't "tell" a person something like, "go, start using > here" - it doesn't work that way - for > someone that likes to experiment/poke around the box, (s)he will > automagically try installing everything and play around with just about > everything available, before deciding for oneself, which distribution that > they like - If experimentation was in thew nature of the person, she would not have asked the question, would she? > at one time, i hated debian - and now, i just love it - its > all a phase change kinda thing, imho - Probably because you've become more mature these days... ;-) > i'm already kinda getting bored with (repeat, bored, not > dissatisfied - there's a subtle difference) debian - i wanna get outta the > shores, at i'm like looking at www.linuxfromscratch.org ... 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 14:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1962A4A01B for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05894; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:21:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:20:35 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05883 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:20:33 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01695 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:27:48 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:27:48 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Is Text Attachment (<3Kb) is allowed in ilugc? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc does ilugc supports text attachment (one or two kb)? -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 16:49:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39E14A01B for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06330; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:08:18 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:07:47 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06318 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:07:44 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kD4J-0007f0-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:12:46 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Is Text Attachment (<3Kb) is allowed in ilugc? Message-ID: <20001013151246.B29366@symonds.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 02:27:48AM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 02:27:48AM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > does ilugc supports text attachment (one or two kb)? Short Answer: Yes Long Answer: You mean Listar, the way it has been configured for ilugc? AFAIK, text attachments (includes txt/doc/rtf) are allowed or MIME-decrypted, while anything other than that, including html/jpg/pdf/ps/* get removed. so theoretically, you *could* attach a 1 MB text file - but again, Prabhu just might have set a ceiling on how large a post can get... Again, some mailers "attach" the stuff that is being replied to, and I guess, for them to work, plaintext attachments are infact allowed to pass through freely, through ilugc. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 18:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A104A01D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06612; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:04:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:03:31 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06606 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:03:29 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02239 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:10:40 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:10:40 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: TamilGNOME work started Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc kindly go thru the following mess. regd. tamil GNOME. interested guys can participate. -- mks -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinesh Nadarajah Reply-To: tamilinix@egroups.com To: tamilinix@egroups.com, indlinux@egroups.com Subject: [tamilinix] TamilGNOME Website Dear friends: I have taken responsibility for the translation of GNOME to Tamil. The website for the project is: http://www.rit.edu/~dxn8594/tamilgnome/ If you would liek to participate, please send an email to me. Also please pass on this info. to anyone who may not be in the list or may be interested in contributing. -Best regards, -Dinesh --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 21:43:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B15A49F46 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07054; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:01:39 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:01:09 (IST) Received: from web4502.mail.yahoo.com (web4502.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.63]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07048 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:01:06 +0530 Message-ID: <20001014043106.15689.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.197.142.200] by web4502.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 05:31:06 BST Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 05:31:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gayathri=20Krishnan?= Subject: how to access windows partition. To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gaykrish@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I have a linux and 2 windows partitions - c: and d: in my harddisk. >From linux, I could access c:. but I could not access d: Is there any way to access d: from linux? Please help. Thanks in advance, B.Gayathri. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 22:16:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481A549F60 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07166; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:32:37 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:32:07 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07160 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:32:03 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kJSq-0008AL-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:02:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:02:31 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: [renzo.toma@VERONICA.NL: Apache 1.3.14 Released] Message-ID: <20001013220231.A31383@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc FYI -ravi ----- Forwarded message from Renzo Toma ----- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:04:54 +0100 (BST) From: Mark J Cox To: announce@apache.org Cc: ml-apache@unix-ag.org Subject: Apache 1.3.14 Released -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Apache 1.3.14 Released The Apache Software Foundation and The Apache Server Project are pleased to announce the release of version 1.3.14 of the Apache HTTP server. Version 1.3.13 was never released. This version of Apache is primarily a security fix and bug fix release, but there are a few new features and improvements. A summary of the new features is given at the end of this document. We consider Apache 1.3.14 to be the best version of Apache available and we strongly recommend that users of older versions, especially of the 1.1.x and 1.2.x family, upgrade as soon as possible. No further releases will be made in the 1.2.x family. Apache 1.3.14 is available for download from http://httpd.apache.org/dist/ Please see the CHANGES_1.3 file in the same directory for a full list of changes. Binary distributions are available from http://httpd.apache.org/dist/binaries/ As of Apache 1.3.12 binary distributions contain all standard Apache modules as shared objects (if supported by the platform) and include full source code. Installation is easily done by executing the included install script. See the README.bindist and INSTALL.bindist files for a complete explanation. Please note that the binary distributions are only provided for your convenience and current distributions for specific platforms are not always available. The source and binary distributions are also available via any of the mirrors listed at http://www.apache.org/mirrors/ For an overview of new features in 1.3 please see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/new_features_1_3.html In general, Apache 1.3 offers several substantial improvements over version 1.2, including better performance, reliability and a wider range of supported platforms, including Windows 95/98 and NT (which fall under the "Win32" label). Apache is the most popular web server in the known universe; over half of the servers on the Internet are running Apache or one of its variants. IMPORTANT NOTE FOR WIN32 USERS: Over the years, many users have come to trust Apache as a secure and stable server. It must be realized that the current Win32 code has not yet reached the levels of the Unix version, but is of acceptable quality. Any Win32 stability or security problems do not impact, in any way, Apache on other platforms. Apache 1.3.14 Major changes The security fixes are: * A problem with the Rewrite module, mod_rewrite, allowed access to any file on the web server under certain circumstances * The handling of Host: headers in mass virtual hosting configurations, mod_vhost_alias, could allow access to any file on the server * If a cgi-bin directory is under the document root, the source to the scripts inside it could be sent if using mass virtual hosting The main new features include: * Support for a directory-based configuration system. If any of the configuration directives point to directories instead of files, all files in that directory (and in subdirectories) will be also parsed as configuration files * Support name-based virtual hosting without needing to specify an IP address in the Apache configuration file. This enables sites that use dynamic IP addresses to support name-based virtual hosting as well as allowing identical machines to share a configuration file, say in a load-balanced cluster * The SetEnvIf and BrowserMatch range of directives are now able to be used in .htaccess files. * Administrators who are nervous about their full server version details being public can use the new keyword 'ProductOnly' in the ServerTokens directive. This keyword forces the server to only return the string "Apache" as the server version. * The new digest authentication module, mod_auth_digest has had a number of fixes and upgrades applied Selected new features that relate to windows platforms: * The project files have been converted to work with Microsoft Visual C 6.0 * The DBM package "sdbm" is now bundled with Apache * Windows 95 and 98 can now benefit from an emulation of the NT services, including install and uninstall options. The Apache server therefore can start when the OS loads and will not stop if the current user logs off for example * A comprehensive review of the Windows documentation has been performed. * Preparations for allowing Apache to be built using the free Borland bcc 5.5 compiler Selected new features relating to other platforms: * Support for the new FreeBSD accept filters feature. This feature postpones the requirement for a child process to handle a new connection until a HTTP request has arrived, therefore increasing the number of connections that a given number of child processes can handle * A number of alterations for the MPE platform including fixing error reporting, updating the DSO code to be compatible with a recent OS patch, refining user and group management, and initial support for the proxy module * The default serialised accept has been changed for AIX 4.3 to provide a substantial performance improvement on multiple CPU machines serving large numbers of concurrent clients * DSO support added for BS2000 and OS/390 USS platforms * A directory layout for Solaris 8 has been added to the configuration system * The proxy module mod_proxy has been patched so that it can be built on BeOS 4.5.2 * Updated configuration script to allow building on IBM's IA-64 version of AIX - -- Mark J Cox ........................................... www.awe.com/mark Apache Software Foundation ..... OpenSSL Group ..... Apache Week editor -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBOeb6bu6tTP1JpWPZAQHryQP/f2gnmMjE+s5FxIW2L7hpEDYFV0jvJH7D It0nwKkvPhVcVHbBlF88ufq579gRaF6kMJsDf8xtOoULAvf7hFGauaJnQdJ9cgmG A4EeQWKOivPxJCJzVYWtWlkiOfX4kraDgZsnxyIKhlkpDyNBu0kX81w0fHrw2ixF k/PSohSk2Mg= =EmHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- End forwarded message ----- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 22:30:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C644A263 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07242; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:41:31 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:41:01 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07236 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:40:57 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kJbT-0008BD-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:11:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:11:27 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: LUG-C meeting Message-ID: <20001013221127.B31383@symonds.net> References: <20001013083055.13930.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> <20001013092553.A26617@symonds.net> <39E744D5.C1C0D73F@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39E744D5.C1C0D73F@netscape.com>; from thaths@netscape.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:22:29AM -0700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi: On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:22:29AM -0700, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > If experimentation was in thew nature of the person, she would not have > asked the question, would she? Valid point - But again, my mail (I guess) was attempting to make clear two things: a) Get the experimental nature within yourself - Its fun b) The best way to asses a situation/position is to check it for yourself, (like say, evaluating a distribution), instead of carrying forth others' opinions, which could often prove untrue in your case. I would say more, but I don't wanna rant. > Probably because you've become more mature these days... ;-) ;/ > FreeBSD? Actually not at the moment - Like I said, I'm playing around with OpenBSD because I have a fairly new OpenBSD release, whereas my FreeBSD copy is insanely old and I wouldn't want to formulate wrong impressions about FreeBSD because of that. And of course time, and lack thereof, and paramount laziness prevent me from attacking multiple new OS'es ;/ -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Oct 13 22:52:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBB149F5F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07400; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:09:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:08:50 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07392 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:08:45 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kK2N-0008Gg-00; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:39:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:39:15 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] Message-ID: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Guys, Apparently Atul isn't very happy about the lack of participation of ChennaiLUG at IT.COM - very understandbly so - I vote that Prabhu write an "explanatory" and maybe "apologetic" email about the situation - Any comments/votes? -ravi ----- Forwarded message from Atul Chitnis ----- Delivered-To: clue-ravi@linux.ca X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2213407-408-971500082-ravi=linux.ca@returns.onelist.com X-Sender: achitnis@exocore.com X-Apparently-To: linux-at-itcom@egroups.com To: "Linux at IT.COM" Organisation: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited From: Atul Chitnis Mailing-List: list linux-at-itcom@egroups.com; contact linux-at-itcom-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list linux-at-itcom@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:37:48 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: linux-at-itcom@egroups.com Subject: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion All: Here is a reminder for you: October 2000 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 <- We are here 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 <- This is the day before IT.COM We have still not talked about things like stall decoration, handouts, etc. We have also made zero progress on the tech talks (with no one volunteering apart from the usual suspects). Needless to say, I am getting depressed. Most people seem to believe that one can do everything in the last moment, which is not going to happen (as was conclusively proven in February). I really thought that our community had a bit more drive than this. We have been talking ourselves silly to sponsors for the tech-talks, but since there are no speakers and no topics to show, we are making zero headway on this. If we do not see some concrete action on this over the next 4 days, I am going to recommend that we drop the tech-talks. We need at least 250K to be able to hold the talks. No plans - no sponsors. And no sponsors, no talks. Period. Similarly, unless we see someone taking charge of the home computing section, that will be dropped, too. As I had mentioned earlier, there are a couple of sections that I had not spoken about. These are the Indianized Linux and Linux Installs sections. The reason why I have been hesitating on these two is for completely opposite reasons. I have been doing some (albeit limited) private research here, and have concluded that the Indianized Linux (localization) scenario appears to be non-existent. Most of the "action" seems to be on the talking side ("We *should* indianize Linux", etc.), but apart from someone showing me Indian fonts in Netscape, I have not seen or heard of anything else. If I am wrong, prove it. Don't come and tell me about Devanagari, Tamil or Kannada fonts in Netscape - that is not localization. And don't talk about "Aryabhatta Linux" or "Aryan Linux" or other marketing gimmicks like these, either. There is nothing Indian about them. I need to see proof that there is any localization effort going on at all before this section becomes feasible. I don't want us to be the laughing stock of the computing world by talking big and then having nothing to show. The Linux Installs section I have not talked about for a very obvious reason - calling for volunteers for that will get floods of them. There will be an install section, demoing installs of all distros we can lay our hands on. However, since even a 9 year old kid, blindfolded and with one arm tied behind her back can do a Linux install these days, we are just going to assign a couple of people out of the general volunteer pool for this one. What we really need now is "special" stuff - stuff you cannot see anywhere else. Or something that makes a major difference. Guru's library project is an excellent example - once people see this, it is bound to have an impact on our country, because it is both free and *needed*. The same applies to the education section. But the rest of our exhibits, while impressive, will generate "but I can do this in Windows" kind of responses from visitors. Cost does not play a role here. We need a sub-section on system administration. A parallel theme of inter-operability with other OSs. An "India powered by Linux" section that shows just how much India can gain from Linux. Stuff like that. We also need more participation from other LUGs. Currently, efforts are largely by Bangalore guys. While this is understandable, it is not enough. The only stand-alone sections handled by anyone else are those from the Goa and Nagpur LUGs. The only LUGs lending their support to any project are the Delhi and Calcutta LUGs. We have heard nothing from the Bombay, Hyderabad, Chennai or Cochin LUGs. Since these are prominent neighbouring LUGs, I find this strange. Very strange. What happened to the community spirit? And lastly - I received a note yesterday from someone who wanted to "volunteer" and asked if volunteers are being paid anything. Is this the state of Linux in India? If you find this long note offensive and too hard-hitting, no apologies. If you are already active and doing something, this note does not affect you. If you did feel something, it is because you aren't doing anything. Get off your butts, please. Linux is a participative project, not a spectator sport. Atul -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/10/_/_/_/971500082/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------_-> ------------------------------------------- "Focus, Fun, Decorum" ------------------------------------------- For more details about this group, visit http://itcom.linux-india.org ------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 01:25:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457674A022 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07973; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:41:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:41:07 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07967 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:41:03 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 381 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:35:47 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kMO4-0000S4-00 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:39:48 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:39:47 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Is Text Attachment (<3Kb) is allowed in ilugc? In-Reply-To: <20001013151246.B29366@symonds.net> References: <20001013151246.B29366@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.5222.628690.929294@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Ravikant> get removed. so theoretically, you *could* attach a 1 MB Ravikant> text file - but again, Prabhu just might have set a Ravikant> ceiling on how large a post can get... Again, some What Ravi has said above is correct. I have not set any limits but please never send big attachments to ilugc. There are about 139 users on ilugc now... prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 02:34:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EEC4A0C2 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08281; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:51:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:50:40 (IST) Received: from pallava.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@pallava.iitm.ac.in [206.103.12.230]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08258 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:50:38 +0530 Received: from eagle.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@eagle.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.241.142]) by pallava.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26965 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:51:12 +0530 Received: from localhost (vinod@localhost) by eagle.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02323 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:12:07 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:12:07 +0530 (IST) From: Vinod Pathangay To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: vinod@eagle.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc HI ALL: Indianization of Linux - I still dont get the concept clear. > > But the rest of our exhibits, while impressive, will generate "but I can > do this in Windows" kind of responses from visitors. Cost does not play a > role here. This is 1 reason why we are behind.. 9 /10 people i've seen using a non-unix OS dont pay for it. Does that mean that if software piracy laws become strict here in India, Linux can stand up? What we probly need is a handful of clever hacks that other OS are not capable of... > What we really need now is "special" stuff - stuff you cannot see anywhere > else. Or something that makes a major difference. Guru's library project > is an excellent example - once people see this, it is bound to have an > impact on our country, because it is both free and *needed*. The same > applies to the education section. > can someone tell me what this Guru's library project is about?? Vinod... On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Ravikant K.Rao wrote: > Guys, > Apparently Atul isn't very happy about the lack of participation > of ChennaiLUG at IT.COM - very understandbly so - I vote that Prabhu write > an "explanatory" and maybe "apologetic" email about the situation - Any > comments/votes? > > -ravi > > ----- Forwarded message from Atul Chitnis ----- > > Delivered-To: clue-ravi@linux.ca > X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2213407-408-971500082-ravi=linux.ca@returns.onelist.com > X-Sender: achitnis@exocore.com > X-Apparently-To: linux-at-itcom@egroups.com > To: "Linux at IT.COM" > Organisation: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited > From: Atul Chitnis > Mailing-List: list linux-at-itcom@egroups.com; contact linux-at-itcom-owner@egroups.com > Delivered-To: mailing list linux-at-itcom@egroups.com > Precedence: bulk > List-Unsubscribe: > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:37:48 +0530 (IST) > Reply-To: linux-at-itcom@egroups.com > Subject: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion > > All: > > Here is a reminder for you: > > October 2000 > Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 <- We are here > 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 > 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 > 29 30 31 <- This is the day before IT.COM > > We have still not talked about things like stall decoration, handouts, > etc. > > We have also made zero progress on the tech talks (with no one > volunteering apart from the usual suspects). > > Needless to say, I am getting depressed. Most people seem to believe that > one can do everything in the last moment, which is not going to happen (as > was conclusively proven in February). I really thought that our community > had a bit more drive than this. > > We have been talking ourselves silly to sponsors for the tech-talks, but > since there are no speakers and no topics to show, we are making zero > headway on this. If we do not see some concrete action on this over the > next 4 days, I am going to recommend that we drop the tech-talks. We need > at least 250K to be able to hold the talks. No plans - no sponsors. And no > sponsors, no talks. Period. > > Similarly, unless we see someone taking charge of the home computing > section, that will be dropped, too. > > As I had mentioned earlier, there are a couple of sections that I had not > spoken about. These are the Indianized Linux and Linux Installs sections. > > The reason why I have been hesitating on these two is for completely > opposite reasons. > > I have been doing some (albeit limited) private research here, and have > concluded that the Indianized Linux (localization) scenario appears to be > non-existent. > > Most of the "action" seems to be on the talking side ("We *should* > indianize Linux", etc.), but apart from someone showing me Indian fonts in > Netscape, I have not seen or heard of anything else. > > If I am wrong, prove it. Don't come and tell me about Devanagari, Tamil or > Kannada fonts in Netscape - that is not localization. And don't talk about > "Aryabhatta Linux" or "Aryan Linux" or other marketing gimmicks like > these, either. There is nothing Indian about them. > > I need to see proof that there is any localization effort going on at all > before this section becomes feasible. I don't want us to be the laughing > stock of the computing world by talking big and then having nothing to > show. > > The Linux Installs section I have not talked about for a very obvious > reason - calling for volunteers for that will get floods of them. There > will be an install section, demoing installs of all distros we can lay our > hands on. However, since even a 9 year old kid, blindfolded and with one > arm tied behind her back can do a Linux install these days, we are just > going to assign a couple of people out of the general volunteer pool for > this one. > > What we really need now is "special" stuff - stuff you cannot see anywhere > else. Or something that makes a major difference. Guru's library project > is an excellent example - once people see this, it is bound to have an > impact on our country, because it is both free and *needed*. The same > applies to the education section. > > But the rest of our exhibits, while impressive, will generate "but I can > do this in Windows" kind of responses from visitors. Cost does not play a > role here. > > We need a sub-section on system administration. A parallel theme of > inter-operability with other OSs. An "India powered by Linux" section that > shows just how much India can gain from Linux. Stuff like that. > > We also need more participation from other LUGs. Currently, efforts are > largely by Bangalore guys. While this is understandable, it is not enough. > The only stand-alone sections handled by anyone else are those from the > Goa and Nagpur LUGs. The only LUGs lending their support to any project > are the Delhi and Calcutta LUGs. > > We have heard nothing from the Bombay, Hyderabad, Chennai or Cochin > LUGs. Since these are prominent neighbouring LUGs, I find this > strange. Very strange. What happened to the community spirit? > > And lastly - I received a note yesterday from someone who wanted to > "volunteer" and asked if volunteers are being paid anything. > > Is this the state of Linux in India? > > If you find this long note offensive and too hard-hitting, no apologies. > > If you are already active and doing something, this note does not affect > you. If you did feel something, it is because you aren't doing anything. > > Get off your butts, please. Linux is a participative project, not a > spectator sport. > > Atul > > -- Vinod Graduate Student Artificial Neural Networks Lab, CSE, IIT Madras --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 05:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DCA4A0B4 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 05:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08868; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:56:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:55:40 (IST) Received: from garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (ae98016@garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.17]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08858 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:55:39 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98016@localhost) by garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14801 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:56:11 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:56:11 +0530 (IST) From: A Midhun Kumar To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: how to access windows partition. In-Reply-To: <20001014043106.15689.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98016@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hai, You havent given any info which can point out some error. If you are able to access one of your FAT partitions you should be able to access the others too. Post the partition table : # fdisk -l /dev/hd? (? = a,b,c,d) and tell the command you used. Use the file system type as auto, and try once. # mount -t auto /dev/hd?? Midhun. ------------ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 07:35:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381864A00A for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09212; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:52:08 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:51:37 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09206 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:51:34 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 318; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:46:15 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kSAT-0000fz-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:50:09 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:50:08 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, I agree almost completely with Atul here. It has been my experience too that during times when people are required very few turn up. Ravikant> Guys, Apparently Atul isn't very happy about the lack of Ravikant> participation of ChennaiLUG at IT.COM - very Ravikant> understandbly so - I vote that Prabhu write an Ravikant> "explanatory" and maybe "apologetic" email about the Ravikant> situation - Any comments/votes? Why on earth should I write anything at all??!! Next thing you will say is I should go to Bangalore, and do something for IT.com. This is crazy. I dont have the time. I am not the only person from ILUGC, am I? How about others? There are atleast 30-40 other people here who can do something about IT.com. What are you doing? Why me?? I have enough responsibilities as it is. Atul> We have been talking ourselves silly to sponsors for the Atul> tech-talks, but since there are no speakers and no Atul> topics to show, we are making zero headway on this. If Atul> we do not see some concrete action on this over the next Atul> 4 days, I am going to recommend that we drop the Atul> tech-talks. We need at least 250K to be able to hold the Atul> talks. No plans - no sponsors. And no sponsors, no Atul> talks. Period. What kind of techtalks are these? How many people are capable of delivering such talks? Do you want volunteers or are you going to pay folks for giving talks?? Atul> Similarly, unless we see someone taking charge of the Atul> home computing section, that will be dropped, too. What is home computing? What exactly do you want?? Ideas or?? Atul> As I had mentioned earlier, there are a couple of Atul> sections that I had not spoken about. These are the Atul> Indianized Linux and Linux Installs sections. Atul> The reason why I have been hesitating on these two is Atul> for completely opposite reasons. Atul> I have been doing some (albeit limited) private research Atul> here, and have concluded that the Indianized Linux Atul> (localization) scenario appears to be non-existent. M K Saravanan is the most competent around here to talk about localization. Atul> Most of the "action" seems to be on the talking side Atul> ("We *should* indianize Linux", etc.), but apart from Atul> someone showing me Indian fonts in Netscape, I have not Atul> seen or heard of anything else. Atul> If I am wrong, prove it. Don't come and tell me about Atul> Devanagari, Tamil or Kannada fonts in Netscape - that is Atul> not localization. And don't talk about "Aryabhatta Atul> Linux" or "Aryan Linux" or other marketing gimmicks like Atul> these, either. There is nothing Indian about them. You evidently are not aware of Tamil KDE... Atul> I need to see proof that there is any localization Atul> effort going on at all before this section becomes Atul> feasible. I don't want us to be the laughing stock of Atul> the computing world by talking big and then having Atul> nothing to show. Tamil KDE is not a project that was initiated by ILUGC. ILUGC is too laid back to start a project of that kind. Some of the folks who are ILUGC members are actively working on localization. MKS comes to mind. I dont know if Suraj is doing something about this. Atul> The Linux Installs section I have not talked about for a Atul> very obvious reason - calling for volunteers for that Atul> will get floods of them. There will be an install Atul> section, demoing installs of all distros we can lay our Atul> hands on. However, since even a 9 year old kid, Atul> blindfolded and with one arm tied behind her back can do Atul> a Linux install these days, we are just going to assign Atul> a couple of people out of the general volunteer pool for Atul> this one. You obviously havent tried a fresh Debian install. :) Atul> What we really need now is "special" stuff - stuff you Atul> cannot see anywhere else. Or something that makes a Atul> major difference. Guru's library project is an excellent Like what? Please give us URL's on this. "special" and "major difference" are all relative terms. But I am sure you can find software developed by Indians, if that is what you mean. Atul> example - once people see this, it is bound to have an Atul> impact on our country, because it is both free and Atul> *needed*. The same applies to the education section. Atul> But the rest of our exhibits, while impressive, will Atul> generate "but I can do this in Windows" kind of Atul> responses from visitors. Cost does not play a role here. So what? Are you trying to convert windows users to linux users?? If a person does not want to learn there is no point in converting them to linux. I dont think one can switch to linux or any other OS if one doesnt want to learn or change. Atul> We need a sub-section on system administration. A Atul> parallel theme of inter-operability with other OSs. An Atul> "India powered by Linux" section that shows just how Atul> much India can gain from Linux. Stuff like that. You mean posters and stuff? What exactly do you want? Could the members of ILUGC who are on the linux@it.com list post us consise request such as this? Atul> We also need more participation from other Atul> LUGs. Currently, efforts are largely by Bangalore Atul> guys. While this is understandable, it is not enough. Atul> The only stand-alone sections handled by anyone else are Atul> those from the Goa and Nagpur LUGs. The only LUGs Atul> lending their support to any project are the Delhi and Atul> Calcutta LUGs. What projects? What kind of support?? Atul> We have heard nothing from the Bombay, Hyderabad, Atul> Chennai or Cochin LUGs. Since these are prominent Atul> neighbouring LUGs, I find this strange. Very Atul> strange. What happened to the community spirit? Well, nothing! Different LUG's are different. A lot of the members here are very casual. We are completely informal. Those who are active are already busy with a host of other things. I really cant speak for others and the above lines certainly apply to me. Atul> And lastly - I received a note yesterday from someone Atul> who wanted to "volunteer" and asked if volunteers are Atul> being paid anything. Atul> Is this the state of Linux in India? One poster != All posters Never judge the state of a community by one person. On the same count look at any of the key members of LI, I could look at them and say Linux in India is great, huh? Atul> If you find this long note offensive and too Atul> hard-hitting, no apologies. Atul> If you are already active and doing something, this note Atul> does not affect you. If you did feel something, it is Atul> because you aren't doing anything. I guess you mean active as in taking active part in IT.com. If this is the case I strongly disagree. Everyone is doing something as far as free software/linux is concerned. Not everyone is going to do what you do. Not everyone may be able to take active part in IT.com. We faced similar problems during both the linux demo day and more so during the PCQ expo here where Lateral funded a stall for ILUGC. There were interested people but a lot of them had difficulties making it. Atul> Get off your butts, please. Linux is a participative Atul> project, not a spectator sport. All I can do is to make a request on ILUGC for more people to participate. And Atul, dont forget it was the idea of an ILUGC member that set off the discussion on allowing ILUGB to represent LI for this years IT.com. If that hadnt happened you would have a linux representation at IT.com! I dont mean that you must be grateful. But just remember that people can contribute in different ways... prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 08:19:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2FB4A023 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09351; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:38:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:38:05 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09345 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:37:57 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03334; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:44:48 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:44:48 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Linux-Chennai Guys Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Most of the "action" seems to be on the talking side ("We *should* > indianize Linux", etc.), but apart from someone showing me Indian fonts in > Netscape, I have not seen or heard of anything else. Sure. There is no chance for atul hearing about consoleTamil-0.4. AkaramTeX editor in Tamil. A whole lot of fantastic work done by Prof.Kalyanakrishnan (IIT-Madras CSE) under Linux for all the Indian Languages ( I saw the demo last week for nearly 3 hours). The various Machine Translation packages under development across the country in the name of anusaaraka (telugu to hindi, kannada to hindi, marathi to hindi and tamil to hindi) all under **Linux**. for your info here is a brief about anusaaraka: Anusaraka is a Language Accessor rather than a machine translation system in true sense. It helps in overcoming the language barrier by assisting the reader to access informaion from another language. Anusaraka analyses the source language text and presents exactly the same information in a language close to the target language. It tries to preserve information from the input to the output text. It is domain free system and has been adapted from Paninian Grammar. It has been developed for translation from Telugu, Tamil, Marathi, Bengali, Punjabi to Hindi. The major components of the system are: Morphological Analyser Local Word Grouper Bi-lingual Dictionaries Mapper from Source Language to Target Langauge Word Synthesizer Post-editing interface The Anusaraka has been made available in the public domain as an E-mail server for translation service from Telugu, Kannada, Marathi, Bengali & Punjabi to Hindi. To run the Anusaraka on a given text, send the text by e-mail to nandi@anu.tdil.gov.in with the language name as subject such as `telugu' for getting the translation from Telugu to Hindi. This will automatically run the Telugu to Hindi Anusaraka and the output produced will be sent back to the sender. A copy is kept by the machine for later study. The text should be in 7-bit ISCII coding. Similarly help by mail is available if mail is sent with subject `Help'. All of them are under GNU/GPL. There is no chance for atul to know about KDE localisation effort for tamil. (tamil.htmlplanet.com). It is after all ILUG duty to create awareness about all these things. As I said in one of my earlier mails, the following are the urgent needs for the INdian langauges: * Building a Huge Lexical Resources for all the Indian Lang. like Parallel Corpora, Annotated Corpora * Building Dictionary/Thesaurus for all the Indian Lang. * Statistical Processing Tools for Indian Lang. * Indian Script Support at OS level (NCST-Bombay has send some recommendations regd. this to the X-Consortium, MIT). * HOWTOs in Indian Languages, etc.., May be It is not atul fault. The people involved in INdian Lang. Processing are not giving proper publicity or demos to the public that is their fault. May be I can talk about the issues involved in Indian Lang. Computing as far as I know. But I am an average linux user don't know much about Linux Internals. -- mks -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:23:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADA44A01E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09568; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:42:22 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:41:52 (IST) Received: from cix.exocore.com (IDENT:root@d1-ts2.iisc.ernet.in [202.141.1.225] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09456 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:00:15 +0530 Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by cix.exocore.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11440; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:59:42 +0530 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:59:42 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in To: Prabhu Ramachandran Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: Organisation: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: achitnis@exocore.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Prabhu: For weeks now, there has been serious discussion in the itcom list about this event. I had posted to all the LUGs asking them to get involved. Some have responded (Goa, Nagpur, Delhi), some have not. Chennai is one of the LUGs that has not responded at all. There is a website (http://itcom.linux-india.org) that has details of what is happening, and you will find answers to all your questions there, and those that arent answered there, are in the message archives of the linux-at-itcom list at egroups. I clearly mentioned that I have done limited research on the localised linux business. My findings were zero. If someone like me (who obviously tends to know a lot about Linux in India) has no clue about localisation efforts in India, then I am afraid that there is a problem, and it definitely isn't at my end. Last year, we had 150,000 visitors go through the Linux pavilion at IT.COM. If you (or anyone else) thinks that this could be a good platform to show off your localisation efforts, why not *PARTICIPATE* instead of putting me in my place? And yes, I recognise that the first stone was cast by someone from ILUGC when it came to voting whether the BLUG should be "allowed" to represent the Linux community at IT.COM (I found that so hilarious - I knew *then* that the forum - LI-REG - would be history long before the event that it "authorized"). Just as I *hope* you recognise that your participation at the PCQ show was the result of my lobbying hard for it with PCQ for almost a year, resulting in the local ILUGs getting free space at the PCQ shows. Hyderabad too has availed of this, Cochin would have if it wouldn't have been for mitigating circumstances (read - politics) there. But his is *not* about "don't forget what xxx did for yyy" - this is about Linux. Now if we could quit positioning and get some work done instead? Thanks in advance for ILUGC's participation. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:23:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0494A4A02B for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09565; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:41:55 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:41:25 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09552 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:41:17 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 406; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:35:50 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kTsR-0000j9-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:39:39 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:39:39 +0530 (IST) To: Atul Chitnis , ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: References: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, I think you read me wrong. >>>>> "Atul" == Atul Chitnis writes: Atul> Prabhu: For weeks now, there has been serious discussion in Atul> the itcom list about this event. I had posted to all the Atul> LUGs asking them to get involved. Some have responded (Goa, Atul> Nagpur, Delhi), some have not. Chennai is one of the LUGs Atul> that has not responded at all. First, I forwarded your email to ILUGC. That is about all I can do. But why am I to blame for ILUGC's lack of participation? I dont mean that you blamed me but Ravikant did. Personally, this semester is rather tough for me. I have three courses, research, personal work, my own software that I maintain (look here: freshmeat.net/projects/vtk-cfd and vtkpipeline), ilugc and its activities, helping users, trying out and playing with the hurd etc. etc. Do you really think that I would not do anything for IT.com if I had the time? FWIW I will make a strong post on ILUGC begging folks to participate in whatever small way they can. I hope this will help. Atul> There is a website (http://itcom.linux-india.org) that has Atul> details of what is happening, and you will find answers to Atul> all your questions there, and those that arent answered Atul> there, are in the message archives of the linux-at-itcom Atul> list at egroups. Ok. I have an exam on monday and am already in deep trouble bcos I have spent too much time on other things. When I get the time I will definitely take a look. Atul> I clearly mentioned that I have done limited research on the Atul> localised linux business. My findings were zero. If someone Atul> like me (who obviously tends to know a lot about Linux in Atul> India) has no clue about localisation efforts in India, then Atul> I am afraid that there is a problem, and it definitely isn't Atul> at my end. Who said it was your problem? There are a lot of problems I have no solutions to. Even for exhibitions held here in Chennai there were not too many volunteers. We had a fairly successfull PCQ expo here. Lateral funded the stall. But only Arun and me ended up doing the bulk of the work setting up the machines for the stall. Please, Latreal and OS4 folks I mean participation from the general ILUGC members. It was frustrating to say the least. The Chennai LUG members do seem to be fairly lazy?! Well Chennaiites, if you dont like what I just said you had better change this opinion and make me eat my words. Atul> Last year, we had 150,000 visitors go through the Linux Atul> pavilion at IT.COM. If you (or anyone else) thinks that this Atul> could be a good platform to show off your localisation Atul> efforts, why not *PARTICIPATE* instead of putting me in my Atul> place? I dont want to show off. I want to be left alone for the time being so that I can do some work. :) Atul> And yes, I recognise that the first stone was cast by Atul> someone from ILUGC when it came to voting whether the BLUG Atul> should be "allowed" to represent the Linux community at Atul> IT.COM (I found that so hilarious - I knew *then* that the Atul> forum - LI-REG - would be history long before the event that Atul> it "authorized"). Why so? Were you on LI-reg? I think you have a rather biased view of this and dont like it. You may think that I hate you or something. You are far from the truth. As you will remember even way back when I was on LI I used to support you. I think you have done a lot of good for linux here. So dont take this personally. However I think it is unfair to take the stance that you have taken. Atul> Just as I *hope* you recognise that your participation at Atul> the PCQ show was the result of my lobbying hard for it with Atul> PCQ for almost a year, resulting in the local ILUGs getting Sure. I know that read my previous para if you dont believe me. :) Atul> free space at the PCQ shows. Hyderabad too has availed of Atul> this, Cochin would have if it wouldn't have been for Atul> mitigating circumstances (read - politics) there. Atul> But his is *not* about "don't forget what xxx did for yyy" - Atul> this is about Linux. Yeah, I know. Dont forget (IT.com != Linux) and (inability to participate in IT.com) != (doesnt do anything for linux) either. Atul> Now if we could quit positioning and get some work done Atul> instead? Ok. Will make a post to ILUGC pronto. Atul> Thanks in advance for ILUGC's participation. I sincerely hope there will be some. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279604A01E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09640; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:45:49 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:45:18 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.240.120]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09627 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:45:14 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:46:17 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14824.34512.874343.921969@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:46:16 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Greetings, >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran writes: Prabhu> Why on earth should I write anything at all??!! Next Because you're "List Admin" and "Group Co-ordinator" of ILUG-Chennai - and I personally infact wrote up a fairly long rant mail about why we are doing practically nothing - But I didn't send it in because I thought it wouldn't be right for me to speak for ILUG-C, .. you know .. self appointed speaker or whatever - I preferred List Admin to do it - At any rate, I most certainly wanted you guys [ ilugc members ] to *know* that we're not doing too well on the national front - thats all. Prabhu> time. I am not the only person from ILUGC, am I? How Prabhu> about others? There are atleast 30-40 other people here Prabhu> who can do something about IT.com. What are you doing? Prabhu> Why me?? I have enough responsibilities as it is. Uh I apologise... I didn't quite mean it *that* way - which is why, "Any comments/suggestions?" ... Atul> We have been talking ourselves silly to sponsors for the Atul> tech-talks, but since there are no speakers and no topics to Atul> show, we are making zero headway on this. If we do not see Again, there are quite a few people at ilug-c who can talk - Swaraj about security and other stuff, mks about localisation, zam about cvs, and so on - -shrug- - I refuse to make any more proxy-volunteering though - i was only speaking names that I knew had already talked about the respective topics. Atul> some concrete action on this over the next 4 days, I am Atul> going to recommend that we drop the tech-talks. We need at I know this sounds weird - but I strongly believe that tech talks *are* required. Atul> on. However, since even a 9 year old kid, blindfolded and Atul> with one arm tied behind her back can do a Linux install Prabhu> You obviously havent tried a fresh Debian install. :) hehehe ;) Prabhu> Like what? Please give us URL's on this. "special" Prabhu> and "major difference" are all relative terms. But I am Prabhu> sure you can find software developed by Indians, if that Prabhu> is what you mean. gimp? (Manish Singh) Atul> But the rest of our exhibits, while impressive, will Atul> generate "but I can do this in Windows" kind of responses Atul> from visitors. Cost does not play a role here. Prabhu> So what? Are you trying to convert windows users to Prabhu> linux users?? If a person does not want to learn there is Prabhu> no point in converting them to linux. I dont think one Prabhu> can switch to linux or any other OS if one doesnt want to Prabhu> learn or change. Exactly - I agree with prabhu completely. Infact, imho, one should project the idea(s) like "linux can do in a very nice way..." - like kinda kindle interests, and leave it at that, so that they get their hands dirty, trying to fix stuff - its not a case of "i am better than you" or whatever. Prabhu> You mean posters and stuff? What exactly do you want? Prabhu> Could the members of ILUGC who are on the linux@it.com Prabhu> list post us consise request such as this? members? As far as I know, I'm the only guy on the linux@it.com mailing lsit from chennailug - not sure though And no, I dont know of any such request(s) - don't quote me though - I poll about 1000 mails per day, on top of regular work/fun/life - i *could* have very easily let a couple slip past me. Atul> We have heard nothing from the Bombay, Hyderabad, Chennai or Atul> Cochin LUGs. Since these are prominent neighbouring LUGs, I Atul> find this strange. Very strange. What happened to the Atul> community spirit? What I wanted to add here was that - Just 'cause we didn't get down to doing stuff, doesn't quite mean we're not into "community spirit" or whatever.All of us here *ARE* informal, and we like it that way. Please don't (try to) commercialise ilugc - I swear I for one am out of the lug if that ever happens. Atul> If you find this long note offensive and too hard-hitting, Atul> no apologies. Neat. Atul> Get off your butts, please. Linux is a participative Atul> project, not a spectator sport. Prabhu> All I can do is to make a request on ILUGC for more Prabhu> people to participate. Prabhu> And Atul, dont forget it was the idea of an ILUGC Prabhu> member that set off the discussion on allowing ILUGB to Prabhu> represent LI for this years IT.com. If that hadnt Prabhu> happened you would have a linux representation at IT.com! Prabhu> I dont mean that you must be grateful. But just remember Prabhu> that people can contribute in different ways... All I will say is that people should not come to quick, hasty and nasty decisions without a look at the entire scenario I *do* take objection to the rather offensive language/tone of Atul's mail - That you make it sound as though *all* of ilug-bangalore is dying for it.com sounds rather hard to believe - i just saw a mail from shanu wherein he apprised people of "who-is-doing-what" in the multimedia section or whatever - he *HIMSELF* said, "there's only me/gandalf/mrinal" ... and to add a couple more names, there's probably atul,gopi,khader,mahendra,biju who're doing something - with >150 people attending each meet, you have hardly 10 people "in the thick of things" - with approx. 20 people per meet here, i can quote right off the head - me/zameer/swaraj/mks/suraj who will sit down and get things done had the entire thing been "entrusted" to us had the it.com thingie taken place in chennai. remember that you guys are still physically inside bangalore and suchlike - we here are a different buncha people, with different mindsets, and different responsibilities - the primary focus of bangalorelug seems to be, generating presentations to use to deliver talks and the "author" *READS* out whats on the screen/projector - wow - how very exciting - i attended the september meet (or was it october?) and udhay talked about cryptography and pgp and system security - he expanded DES, and PGP and concluded the talk in under 10 minutes flat - feel free to confirm with anyone else who attended that meeting if i'm kidding - now, we guys here grilled kar when he talked about gpg/pgp - he spent about an hour with no slides - but *everyone* listened to the talks - but in bangalore lug, we had some random guy in the last row showing off his laptop and the eats coming up and everyone desparate to grab their plate lest they go home hungry - now, i didn't like any of this - *I* wanted it to be different - But do I bitch about it? No. I don't and i'm not allowed to. Its *YOUR* lug in bangalore and you do with it, what you like. I have a laptop too. But its not like I *have* to bring it to the lug and run window maker themes on it, with semi-clad women for backgrounds - no - But do I bitch about it to the people behind ilug-bangalore? No - So please realise that the actvities of ilug-chennai are of no concern to anyone else. We do with the lug, what we want to - Again, I am not sure if that sounded right - Okay, *I* act on the lug, the way *I* want to. No one seems to be objecting. And if random people who dont belong in this lug dont like it, um, they dont matter. Please dont commercialise or mess up the way ilugc's working - its going along just fine - as for rude statements with no base, and no research, it just goes to show how much more people need to mature, before taking the reins in their hands. Right - I agree that Atul *has* taken a major role, and *someone* has to be held responsible and he has been brave about it - I am glad for him, and that Linux in India is in good hands - BUT that you should go overboard and say, "ilug-bangalore kicks ass - the rest of the lugs are...." is not quite what I expected. I'm sorry if this sounded harsh - its not meant to be harsh - It was just an effort to explain that we guys in chennai are not just the plain buncha lazy losers that atul or prabhu make us out to be. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:31:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18B24A01E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09689; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:51:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:50:49 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09678 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:50:44 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kU3a-00033R-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:21:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:21:10 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] Message-ID: <20001014092110.A11732@symonds.net> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from vinod@eagle.iitm.ernet.in on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 04:12:07PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 04:12:07PM +0530, Vinod Pathangay wrote: > non-unix OS dont pay for it. Does that mean that if software piracy laws > become strict here in India, Linux can stand up? Not necessarily. What about countries like the USA? Please remove the rest of the original message when you are not using it - its annoying to receive a 20 kB mail with 10 screenfuls of ">>> foo" stuff. Thanks -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:34:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229874A039 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09727; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:53:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:53:10 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09714 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:53:09 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 517 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:47:53 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kU4F-0000jp-00 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:51:51 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:51:51 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: IT.com and an upset prabhu X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, So it appears that no one from here is really interested in IT.com. Give me a break folks. There are 139 members here - agreed there are a few folks from outside Chennai but there are so many here. Here is a golden opportunity to do something good, learn something, see/interact with some of the big Linux people in India and have loads of fun. I am sure some of you will have a few hours every week when you can do something for the exhibit at it.com. I guess you can even get a stall for ILUGC (free of cost). So why doesnt someone take the initiative and do something constructive. Since Ravikant wanted me to do something I am going to ask him to do something for once. I guess you are on the mailing list. At least you can summarize what needs to be done. If someone has ideas on ilugc you can forward them back there. If they need something specific why dont you let us know. MKS, it would be wonderful if you could go to IT.com. If funding is a problem I think you can ask Atul or maybe we could all get together and do something. You could go there and talk about Tamil related localization, make demos etc. I dont think providng machines would be a problem. This will give you fantastic exposure and will also tell others where to look when they want Tamil related stuff. Overall it will certainly be a good experience. Please tell us what you think. Any other ideas would be welcome. Folks, please dont be lazy. Do something, please. thanks, prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B004A034 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09814; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:02:17 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:01:46 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09808 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:01:39 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kUE9-00034O-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:32:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:32:04 -0700 From: "Ravikant K.Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] Message-ID: <20001014093204.A11757@symonds.net> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:44:48PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:44:48PM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > There is no chance for atul to know about KDE localisation effort for tamil. (tamil.htmlplanet.com). Yeah - this is precisely what I mean - When you aren't bothered to check whats around you, and you're feeling down, for whatever reason - you aren't allowed to go public and say, "Indians suck - There is no localisation - Everyone is a lazy moron" - to add insult to injury, "if you feel hurt, you deserve it, you lazy doofus" - No - not allowed. IMHO, what would have been suitable would have been - "I dont seem to know of any localisation - Do you guys have any links on you?" When you're the co-ordinator of whatever large thing, you are expected to maintain a certain level of decency and maturity - Not let emotions get involved. If you can't handle it, step down. I refuse to sit here idle and look at mails from random people who have no respect for fellow people, and think its elite to send out rude emails to the entire universe. If someone disagrees with me, please do tell me clearly, so I can unsubscribe from whatever list, including ilug-c if it will make people happy. My idea of Linux and LUGs is not quite the mudslinging crap that I think we are going through right now. I see no reason to fall in line and listen passively and therefore I will not. > May be It is not atul fault. The people involved in INdian Lang. > Processing are not giving proper publicity or demos to the public that is > their fault. May be I can talk about the issues involved in Indian Lang. > Computing as far as I know. But I am an average linux user don't know > much about Linux Internals. Yeah, I guess you-know-who thinks you suck because you dont make powerpoint presentations on your laptop at LUG meets and annoy the crap out of the average LUG Meeting Attender. I guess the kernel internals are for the Laptop-toting uber-elite people. ugh -ravi, visibly annoyed. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 09:56:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE9049EFB for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09897; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:13:37 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:13:07 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.240.120]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09891 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:13:04 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:14:10 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14824.36178.679736.13395@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:14:02 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> References: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran writes: Prabhu> But why am I to blame for ILUGC's lack of Prabhu> participation? I dont mean that you blamed me but Prabhu> Ravikant did. Personally, this semester is rather tough Umm. I *BLAMED* you?! I did? uh. Thanks, that just made my day.I have nothing to justify, and a sincere effort from me, to make sure chennailug doesn't get busted while people on the lug list dont even know about it, while its going on. I had said/meant - "prabhu could write an explanatory mail about *why* we are[nt] doing anything, and if necessary, (ON OUR BEHALF - i hadn't said this, but i thought it obvious, in the context) apologise to whoever. On top of this, (something that I *still* maintain, as doing right) , I apologised *in public* - well, i seem to be the misfit here, and I've had a tough day, too, and i'm no mood for this. Since I dont belong here, I'm unsubscribing from the list. No, its not bravado or anything - I'm just tired. Thanks for listening to my rant. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 10:00:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6854A039 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09935; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:19:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:19:17 (IST) Received: from rockford.dyndns.org (mail@[203.197.240.120]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09929 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:19:14 +0530 Received: from ravi by Ravi's mail server; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:20:21 +0530 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14824.36548.899649.848808@rockford.dyndns.org> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:20:12 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: IT.com and an upset prabhu In-Reply-To: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> References: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: "Ravikant K.Rao" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello, >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran writes: Prabhu> hi, So it appears that no one from here is really Prabhu> interested in IT.com. Yeah - *so what* - Like you already said, *everyone* doesn't *have* to want to shift from Windows -> Linux. Likewise, every Linux User, doesn't *have* to want to participate in it.com - BTW if you dont already know, a couple ilugc members are already going for the thing. Prabhu> constructive. Since Ravikant wanted me to do something I Prabhu> am going to ask him to do something for once. I guess you Prabhu> are on the mailing list. At least you can summarize what Prabhu> needs to be done. If someone has ideas on ilugc you can Yup - I *am* going to do something after all ; I'm unsubscribing - cc me if you want my attention (dont see why you would, but just incase you do). Have a nice day. -ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 10:11:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C97B4A039 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10045; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:28:27 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:27:56 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10039 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:27:54 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 552; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:22:36 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kUbj-0000l2-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:26:27 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:26:27 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in, ravi@symonds.net Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.34512.874343.921969@rockford.dyndns.org> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> <14824.34512.874343.921969@rockford.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.35121.841382.793274@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Prabhu> Why on earth should I write anything at all??!! Next Ravikant> Because you're "List Admin" and "Group Ravikant> Co-ordinator" of ILUG-Chennai - and I personally infact So? How does it make me responsible for co-luggie activities? Ravikant> wrote up a fairly long rant mail about why we are doing Ravikant> practically nothing - But I didn't send it in because I Ravikant> thought it wouldn't be right for me to speak for ILUG-C, Ravikant> .. you know .. self appointed speaker or whatever - I Well, if you felt that way you couldve posted it to me and I could have said. it looks ok and doesnt offend any sensibilities. Ravikant> preferred List Admin to do it - At any rate, I most Ravikant> certainly wanted you guys [ ilugc members ] to *know* Ravikant> that we're not doing too well on the national front - Ravikant> thats all. Well, are we doing well on the local front. Same problem. Prabhu> time. I am not the only person from ILUGC, am I? How Prabhu> about others? There are atleast 30-40 other people here Prabhu> who can do something about IT.com. What are you doing? Prabhu> Why me?? I have enough responsibilities as it is. Ravikant> Uh I apologise... I didn't quite mean it *that* Well it is ok. But it irks me to see that I have to goad people to do something that we apparently share a passion for. Ravikant> way - which is why, "Any comments/suggestions?" ... Ravikant> Again, there are quite a few people at ilug-c who Ravikant> can talk - Swaraj about security and other stuff, mks Ravikant> about localisation, zam about cvs, and so on - -shrug- - Ravikant> I refuse to make any more proxy-volunteering though - i Ravikant> was only speaking names that I knew had already talked Ravikant> about the respective topics. But these are not trivial talks. They most prolly are professional talks. I dont know who will be willing to make talks of that kind at IT.com. Atul> some concrete action on this over the next 4 days, I am Atul> going to recommend that we drop the tech-talks. We need at Ravikant> I know this sounds weird - but I strongly believe Ravikant> that tech talks *are* required. Yes, but who will talk is the question. Prabhu> You mean posters and stuff? What exactly do you want? Prabhu> Could the members of ILUGC who are on the linux@it.com Prabhu> list post us consise request such as this? Ravikant> members? As far as I know, I'm the only guy on the Ravikant> linux@it.com mailing lsit from chennailug - not sure Bad. But hey, Ravi, thanks for brining this whole issue up, really. Ravikant> though And no, I dont know of any such request(s) - Ravikant> don't quote me though - I poll about 1000 mails per day, Ravikant> on top of regular work/fun/life - i *could* have very Ravikant> easily let a couple slip past me. Then what is Atul talking about and what does he want? Atul> We have heard nothing from the Bombay, Hyderabad, Chennai or Atul> Cochin LUGs. Since these are prominent neighbouring LUGs, I Atul> find this strange. Very strange. What happened to the Atul> community spirit? Ravikant> What I wanted to add here was that - Just 'cause Ravikant> we didn't get down to doing stuff, doesn't quite mean Ravikant> we're not into "community spirit" or whatever.All of us Ravikant> here *ARE* informal, and we like it that way. Please Exactly, just as there were so many folks at the li-reg list who did not understand/appreciate commercial issues I think there are commercial folks who do not understand informal non-commercial LUG's. :) Ravikant> don't (try to) commercialise ilugc - I swear I for one Ravikant> am out of the lug if that ever happens. Ravikant> All I will say is that people should not come to Ravikant> quick, hasty and nasty decisions without a look at the Ravikant> entire scenario Exactly. Ravikant> I *do* take objection to the rather offensive Ravikant> language/tone of Atul's mail - That you make it sound as Ravikant> though *all* of ilug-bangalore is dying for it.com Ravikant> sounds rather hard to believe - i just saw a mail from Ravikant> shanu wherein he apprised people of "who-is-doing-what" Ravikant> in the multimedia section or whatever - he *HIMSELF* Ravikant> said, "there's only me/gandalf/mrinal" ... and to add a Ravikant> couple more names, there's probably Ravikant> atul,gopi,khader,mahendra,biju who're doing something - Ravikant> with >150 people attending each meet, you have hardly 10 Ravikant> people "in the thick of things" - with approx. 20 people Ravikant> per meet here, i can quote right off the head - Ravikant> me/zameer/swaraj/mks/suraj who will sit down and get Ravikant> things done had the entire thing been "entrusted" to us Ravikant> had the it.com thingie taken place in chennai. remember Ravikant> that you guys are still physically inside bangalore and Ravikant> suchlike - we here are a different buncha people, with Ravikant> different mindsets, and different responsibilities - the Ravi, cool it. You are obviously angry. Fundamental rule, never post in anger. Well, we all violate it at times. :) Ravikant> primary focus of bangalorelug seems to be, generating Ravikant> presentations to use to deliver talks and the "author" Ravikant> *READS* out whats on the screen/projector - wow - how Ravikant> objecting. And if random people who dont belong in this Ravikant> lug dont like it, um, they dont matter. Ravikant> Please dont commercialise or mess up the way Ravikant> ilugc's working - its going along just fine - as for Ravikant> rude statements with no base, and no research, it just Ravikant> goes to show how much more people need to mature, before Ravikant> taking the reins in their hands. Hey you are going completely off. This has no relevance. Atul did not want to make any changes in the way ILUGC works and even if he did we wouldnt change would we? :) Cool it man. We like ilugc the way it is, yes. We are less aggressive about linux, yes. Atul doesnt like it, maybe. But why call names over it?? Atul is upset and wants more participation. Here is most prolly what is actually happening. Atul and others slog to get money from PCQ and others. Now, not too many people (or not as many as Atul and others would like) are interested in IT.com. This makes the sponsors crib to Atul, saying folks arent interested. Now, Atul is pained. Worse people accuse him of misusing the funds to his advantage. Now, Atul is pissed. He posts in desperation and anger trying to get interest. And now he gets flamed. I think you'd agree that this is a possible scenario. No? Ravikant> Right - I agree that Atul *has* taken a major role, Ravikant> and *someone* has to be held responsible and he has been Ravikant> brave about it - I am glad for him, and that Linux in Ravikant> India is in good hands - BUT that you should go Ravikant> overboard and say, "ilug-bangalore kicks ass - the rest Ravikant> of the lugs are...." is not quite what I expected. I'm Well not all of the lugs are bad according to Atul. Chennai, Cochin, and some others. Ravikant> sorry if this sounded harsh - its not meant to be harsh Ravikant> - It was just an effort to explain that we guys in Ravikant> chennai are not just the plain buncha lazy losers that Ravikant> atul or prabhu make us out to be. Oh well, this is hilarious. You were the one who posted saying we are doing badly in the Indian context. I tried to reply sanely to Atul saying it is always tough to get volunteers, that we are different and that I wasnt to be held responsible for this. Why do you rake me in? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 10:34:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF0F4A015 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10109; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:48:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:47:40 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10102 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:47:38 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 497; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:42:13 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kUup-0000lM-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:46:11 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:46:11 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in, ravi@symonds.net Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.36178.679736.13395@rockford.dyndns.org> References: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> <14824.36178.679736.13395@rockford.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.36941.695318.856747@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Ravikant> Umm. I *BLAMED* you?! I did? uh. Thanks, that just Ravikant> made my day.I have nothing to justify, and a sincere Ravikant> effort from me, to make sure chennailug doesn't get Ravikant> busted while people on the lug list dont even know about Ravikant> it, while its going on. I had said/meant - "prabhu could Ravikant> write an explanatory mail about *why* we are[nt] doing Ravikant> anything, and if necessary, (ON OUR BEHALF - i hadn't Ravikant> said this, but i thought it obvious, in the context) Ravikant> apologise to whoever. Before anything I'd like to apologise if I was harsh or said something bad. I thought you had given me far more responsibility than was due. And thanks again for forwarding the message from Atul. Do you think I am some kind of telepathic genius who knows why people here dont participate? How do you expect me to know what is going on with other members here. I am glad that you are on the it.com list and happy for it. But remember I tried to do my bit. I forwarded the mail from Atul here about it.com and the new list etc. What more do you expect me to do? Why should I have to post for activities not done be fellow members? I didnt have the time to subscribe to IT.com and didnt want to that is a choice I am entitled to make. I can make a collective post for ILUGC if (1) we vote (2) or it is agreed upon during a meeting. Otherwise it is purely a personal opinion which I cannot give as if it is the collective feeling of ILUGC *unless you guys give me unequivocal powers to that effect*. This was given during the li-reg process. But was it given for anything?? I didnt think so. During the last meeting I discussed the li-reg details in fairly great detail and mentioned things about IT.com and things like that. Unfortunately only 12 people turned up for the meet. What do you expect me to say? How can I apologise for ilugc? Did you even want me to apologise. Looking at your rant against Atuls post I didnt get the impression that you wanted to apologise at all... Ravikant> On top of this, (something that I *still* Ravikant> maintain, as doing right) , I apologised *in public* - Ravikant> well, i seem to be the misfit here, and I've had a tough Ravikant> day, too, and i'm no mood for this. To be fair, you did apologise. You mean that others dont have tough days? Ravikant> Since I dont belong here, I'm unsubscribing from Ravikant> the list. No, its not bravado or anything - I'm just Ravikant> tired. Others can get tired to. It is easy for me to just "quit". I cannot stop you from unsubscribing. You may feel better that I just apologised earlier. Folks of ilugc: If you think I am doing a lousy job, please vote for a new coordinator. Maybe I am too old for this job. ;) Please feel free to vote me out. I will still remain the list admin because I am at aero.iitm. Please let me know about this. Apparently, I seem to be doing no good for ilugc. Ravikant> Thanks for listening to my rant. And thanks for putting up with me for so long. thanks, prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 11:10:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D84A03D for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10192; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:59:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:58:31 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10185 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:58:30 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 536 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:53:08 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kV5F-0000m6-00 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:56:57 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:56:57 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <20001014093204.A11757@symonds.net> References: <20001013223915.D31383@symonds.net> <20001014093204.A11757@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.38179.977545.322667@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Ravikant> bothered to check whats around you, and you're feeling Ravikant> down, for whatever reason - you aren't allowed to go Ravikant> public and say, "Indians suck - There is no localisation Ravikant> - Everyone is a lazy moron" - to add insult to injury, Ravikant> "if you feel hurt, you deserve it, you lazy doofus" - No Ravikant> - not allowed. Agreed, Atul didnt ask properly. But a more polite response is in order dont you think? Dont do to others what you dont want to be done to you.... :) Ravikant> IMHO, what would have been suitable would have been - Ravikant> "I dont seem to know of any localisation - Do you guys Ravikant> have any links on you?" Yes. But here is Atuls problem. He thinks it is up to us to show off about this stuff. Was this stuff discussed at the it.com list??? If so you could have told him there that we have a local localization Guru? And if it was not well we are not to blame. Ravikant> I refuse to sit here idle and look at mails from Ravikant> random people who have no respect for fellow people, and Ravikant> think its elite to send out rude emails to the entire Ravikant> universe. Hmmmm.... Ravikant> Yeah, I guess you-know-who thinks you suck because you Ravikant> dont make powerpoint presentations on your laptop at LUG Ravikant> meets and annoy the crap out of the average LUG Meeting Ravikant> Attender. I guess the kernel internals are for the Ravikant> Laptop-toting uber-elite people. Have a cold shower. my monitor is burining from the heat of your anger. :) Relax man. This quote is appropriate: It was so of old, Atula. It is not just so today. They criticise him who sits in silence, they criticise him who talks a lot. They even criticise him who speaks in moderation. There is not a man in the world who is not criticised. 227 prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 11:14:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DB44A104 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10330; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:22:48 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:22:18 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10324 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:22:15 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 409 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:17:00 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kVSV-0000nH-00 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:59 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:20:59 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: IT.com and an upset prabhu In-Reply-To: <14824.36548.899649.848808@rockford.dyndns.org> References: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> <14824.36548.899649.848808@rockford.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.39861.546811.499714@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ravi, Your posts are not gonna show up on ilugc and you know why. I will not forward them either by unsubscribing you loose that freedom. I am sorry but I hope you understand. >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Ravikant> Hello, >>>>> "Prabhu" == Prabhu Ramachandran Ravikant> writes: Prabhu> hi, So it appears that no one from here is really Prabhu> interested in IT.com. Ravikant> Yeah - *so what* - Like you already said, Ravikant> *everyone* doesn't *have* to want to shift from Windows Ravikant> -> Linux. Likewise, every Linux User, doesn't *have* to Ravikant> want to participate in it.com - BTW if you dont already Ravikant> know, a couple ilugc members are already going for the Ravikant> thing. Good. Yeah, I wont participate. Prabhu> constructive. Since Ravikant wanted me to do something I Prabhu> am going to ask him to do something for once. I guess you Prabhu> are on the mailing list. At least you can summarize what Prabhu> needs to be done. If someone has ideas on ilugc you can Ravikant> Yup - I *am* going to do something after all ; I'm Ravikant> unsubscribing - cc me if you want my attention (dont see Ravikant> why you would, but just incase you do). Very constructive. When ILUGC needs you to help you leave. Really nice. Wonderful. Great spirit. In a moment of anger you leave. Man, look at how it sounds. It is easy to leave, harder to stay and be constructive. I admit I messed up and turned you sour. But that doesnt mean you should just quit. For all the praise you gave me I dont think i deserved it I jumped to too many conclusions and made a mess of the thread. I am sorry that I got upset when you asked me to post on behalf of ILUGC. How does it help if you quit? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 11:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1322F4A104 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10470; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:43:43 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:43:13 (IST) Received: from web4605.mail.yahoo.com (web4605.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.160]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10460 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:43:07 +0530 Message-ID: <20001014181249.3882.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.199.227.236] by web4605.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:12:49 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: swaraj Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: swaraj19@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 11:24:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983344A104 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10294; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:17:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:16:38 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10285 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:16:35 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 318; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:11:15 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kVMq-0000n0-00; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:15:08 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:15:08 +0530 (IST) To: "Ravikant K. Rao" Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.39269.369871.794773@rockford.dyndns.org> References: <14824.24439.674204.315235@monster.linux.in> <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> <14824.36178.679736.13395@rockford.dyndns.org> <14824.36941.695318.856747@monster.linux.in> <14824.39269.369871.794773@rockford.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.39616.455981.725160@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: Prabhu> the time to subscribe to IT.com and didnt want to that is Prabhu> a choice I am entitled to make. I can make a collective Prabhu> post for ILUGC if (1) we vote (2) or it is agreed upon Ravikant> "Any comments/votes?" <--- sound familiar? Prabhu> How can I apologise for ilugc? Did you even want me to Prabhu> apologise. Looking at your rant against Atuls post I Prabhu> didnt get the impression that you wanted to apologise at Prabhu> all... Ravikant> Of course I didn't - *which was why the phrase was Ravikant> inside quotes* - It was to imply, "people make votes on Ravikant> this, and the list admin think for awhile about what Ravikant> action needs to be taken - namely, should we comment on Ravikant> this - if yes, does it have to be apologetic? - so on Ravikant> and so forth - and then take the decision, and do the Ravikant> necessary mailing - which was what you did in effect" Yeah, I guess I lost my head. I somehow did not gather what you wanted me to say. Ravikant> First of all, Why are *YOU* responsible for ilugc's Ravikant> lack of participation in it.com to the extent that you Ravikant> need to *APOLOGISE* - You have done nothing wrong, and Ravikant> infact, a pretty decent job as list admin, and i Ravikant> personally am happy about that part. I guess its just Ravikant> wordplay at work here - I meant something - You Ravikant> understood something else. Thanks. :) Prabhu> To be fair, you did apologise. You mean that others dont Prabhu> have tough days? Ravikant> Now how did *that* come up? Its a baseless Ravikant> conjecture... I was going from bad to worse. What a moron I can become. [Sigh] Prabhu> Folks of ilugc: If you think I am doing a lousy job, Prabhu> please vote for a new coordinator. Maybe I am too old for Prabhu> this job. ;) Please feel free to vote me out. I will Prabhu> still remain the list admin because I am at aero.iitm. Prabhu> Please let me know about this. Apparently, I seem to be Prabhu> doing no good for ilugc. Ravikant> last time - I still think prabhu's cool when it comes to Ravikant> listadmin/co-ordinator Well, I still think I am unfit. I seem to be too trigger happy. Folks, feel free to vote me out. :) No hard feelings... prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 13:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97C34A15E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10831; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:50:59 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:50:28 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10820 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:50:21 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03565; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:57:17 +0530 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:57:17 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Cc: achitnis@exocore.com Subject: Re: IT.com and an upset prabhu In-Reply-To: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: > MKS, it would be wonderful if you could go to IT.com. sure. I am planning to go.(I am currently doing Part-time MS also - so if i have exam on those days i can't. But sure worst case i can spend a single day there). Funding won't be a problem since i already requested our Director (AU-KBC Centre) to take care of my travel expenditure. My (limited) skills: * can address the need for standardisation in coding Indian Lang. (ISCII, TSCII, TAB/TAM etc.., stuff) & Need for standardisation of keyboards (like tens of inputting method exists for tamil) * Need for creating lexical resources for Indian Languages. * explain how linguist, school teachers & others can particapte as a open source voluntary movement to build huge lexical databases, dictionaries, thesaurus etc.., for Indian Lang. * Need for Linux tutors in Indian Lang. (not pure translation - wherever needed we can transliterate the tech. names) [Hope the ilugc guys remember the two sample exercises i sent in tamil - any comments to improve it ?] * Need for participation of techies & language experts in International Standardisation body like Unicode Consortium, i-DNS (Internationalised Domain Name System) etc.., (& ofcourse My favourite AkaramTeX editor) I don't know the interest of the audience. But in reality India badly needs all the above stuff. any suggestions are welcome. -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 13:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4484A039 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10915; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:07:17 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:06:47 (IST) Received: from cix.exocore.com (IDENT:root@d1-ts2.iisc.ernet.in [202.141.1.225] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10663; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:25:30 +0530 Received: from localhost (achitnis@localhost) by cix.exocore.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12146; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:25:47 +0530 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:25:46 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in To: Prabhu Ramachandran Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: <14824.32233.696425.274855@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: Organisation: Exocore Consulting (P) Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: achitnis@exocore.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Oh God. You guys are too much. The X-Files has nothing on you when it comes to conspiracy theories. Prabhu - no sponsor is after me, or has even spoken to me about "lack of participation". And no one has accused me of "funds mismanagement" either - there are no funds except what I spend out of my own personal pocket. The stall is sponsored by PC Quest - they are paying the Govt. of Karnataka directly. There is no money changing hands anywhere. We do not even have any sponsor for the talks yet - if we get one, he will pay for facilities - we are not taking any money from anyone - never did, and never will. And we have plenty of participation in IT.COM - thank you very much. What I am cribbing about is not lack of participation from the BLUG, but from some prominent members of the Indian Linux community - especially Chennai. But as I can see, you would rather politicise this issue than admit that I have a justifiable reason to be upset. And hence, I will leave you in peace (as I had to begin with - I didn't post to you or your list - I cribbed on a list meant for that purpose). Please - do continue living your lives the way you like them. Ravi - your comments about my home LUG are offensive and were intentionally hurtful. I demand an apology from you for the statements you made, and I also request you to keep your uneducated and spiteful comments to yourself in the future. No one spoke about you or your LUG in this way, never in the past either. How *dare* you say the things you did? Would I have regretted the absence of ILUGC in our efforts if I had such thoughts about *you*? Get real! Given the attitude you are showing (which I have to assume as representative of your LUG seeing the lack of protest over your attitude and your posts), I think I should thank my stars that you aren't involved in IT.COM. Please don't CC me any more in this meaningless debate. I didn't ask to be involved in it. Atul -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 14:05:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834AD4A146 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11002; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:24:50 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:24:20 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10986 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:24:18 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 348 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:19:01 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kYIe-0000uc-00 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:23:00 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:23:00 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Message from Atul (Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion]) X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.51044.271985.70324@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc From: Atul Chitnis To: Prabhu Ramachandran Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:52:19 +0530 (IST) Prabhu: Neither you not Ravi presented a picture that I was comfortable with. If you think *my* post on the ITCOM list was "offensive", try looking at your own. If you were defending me, I saw no sign of it. All I saw was politicking and abuse (much of it flung at me). If ILUGC did not want to be part of the family picture we are trying to present at IT.COM, you just needed to say so, or even better - say nothing. I have not made any unnecessary allegations - you and Ravi did. Since both of you have taken the trouble of slandering me in public so far, please do release my earlier reply to your list so that your members can see that I did not take those allegations lightly. For the record - there are currently 42 volunteers for IT.COM. By the time the event rolls around, it will be more than a hundred, involved in various things - not just the actual stall and talks. We have people coming from Calcutta, Delhi, Cochin, Goa, Nagpur, Indore and other places. While you and Ravi tried to position this as a BLUG event that means nothing to you, a lot of people think otherwise. This is an Indian Linux Community event, and has been so from day 1. Proof of the pudding? Several of people registered on the ITCOM list FROM CHENNAI over the past few hours. Obviously, there *is* interest from Chennai, even if you say there isn't. I am really sorry that it took such ugly posts to draw their attention to the event. It is just coincidental that IT.COM is in Bangalore, and I would have fought as hard had it been in Chennai, Cochin, Bombay or Delhi. I have, in fact, done so in the past. That's how you got your stall at the PCQ expo. Just because I didn't come begging for recognition and gratitude does not mean that I didn't do it. Instead of fighting me because I call a spade a spade (which is the only thing you can hold against me), I would have appreciated a bit of support. To make an omelette, you have to break eggs. My job is tough enough as it is, and I am ready to give up. I can lead a horse to the water, but I can't make it drink. If you or any of your LUG members wish to participate in community events, by all means do so. But leave your attitudes at home. Please leave me alone from now on. Just because I happen to be a public figure and try to make things happen for Linux in India does not give anyone the right to take potshots at me or people involved with me. I am a very private person, and value that privacy. I had decided not to reply to your mail, but this thing rankled me so much that I got out of bed, and wrote this reply. Atul p.s. As I was writing this, your second reply came in. It has not changed my mind about this sordid mess. My penultimate para was aimed at Ravi, just like all the other stuff I wrote after I started addressing him. And I stand by it, for the lack of any evidence to the contrary. Ravi's posts were very similar to Rag00's from Cochin - I wonder if there is a connection. p.p.s. Your third reply about the realisation of what I meant my politicising just came in. Status Quo. Release my post, and maybe forward this one too, if it helps clarify matters. You can knock off the p.s. if you wish. -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 14:05:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFF94A146 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11006; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:25:06 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:24:36 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10993 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:24:34 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 316; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:19:14 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kYIq-0000ue-00; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:23:12 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:23:12 +0530 (IST) To: Atul Chitnis Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [achitnis@exocore.com: [linux@it.com] State of the Onion] In-Reply-To: References: <14824.44800.676687.445507@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.50076.296281.664093@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Atul" == Atul Chitnis writes: Atul> Prabhu: Neither you not Ravi presented a picture that I was Atul> comfortable with. If you think *my* post on the ITCOM list Atul> was "offensive", try looking at your own. If you were Atul> defending me, I saw no sign of it. All I saw was politicking Atul> and abuse (much of it flung at me). By me? Gosh! Fine have it your way. Incidentally, I made a fervent appeal on ilugc (that I did not CC to you) asking people to join after your email. Sometime during the mess. So why are you still so sore. Atul> If ILUGC did not want to be part of the family picture we Atul> are trying to present at IT.COM, you just needed to say so, Atul> or even better - say nothing. When did I ever say that. Please quote me? Or are you just belligerent. Atul> I have not made any unnecessary allegations - you and Ravi Atul> did. Since both of you have taken the trouble of slandering Again quote me. Where on earth was an allegation made by me? There was a possible nasty situation you were facing (which I later said was stupid) that I tried to use to shut RAvi up and you still think I have something against you? I am getting sick of this. 3 aplologies/explanations and all i get is this post from you. Amazing. Atul> me in public so far, please do release my earlier reply to Atul> your list so that your members can see that I did not take Atul> those allegations lightly. I can see that. I can also see that you do not remember any of the good will that we had, and also dont take any apologies or any attempts to patch up. Maybe you hate me, God knows for what? One paragraph which could have been interpreted differently? God help me. Atul> For the record - there are currently 42 volunteers for Atul> IT.COM. By the time the event rolls around, it will be more Atul> than a hundred, involved in various things - not just the Atul> actual stall and talks. Great I am very happy for that! Really, I am not sarcastic about this. Atul> We have people coming from Calcutta, Delhi, Cochin, Goa, Atul> Nagpur, Indore and other places. While you and Ravi tried to Atul> position this as a BLUG event that means nothing to you, a Right, where did I position this as a BLUG event today?? If I did why on earth did I first propose to allow BLUG to represent LI?? Atul> lot of people think otherwise. This is an Indian Linux Atul> Community event, and has been so from day 1. Atul> Proof of the pudding? Several of people registered on the Atul> ITCOM list FROM CHENNAI over the past few hours. Obviously, Atul> there *is* interest from Chennai, even if you say there Atul> isn't. I am really sorry that it took such ugly posts to Atul> draw their attention to the event. I made a decent post at ILUGC requesting people to join. This may have helped. I doubt that the original mess that Ravi started off had anything to do with it. So proof of the pudding. I did try my best to help you get some support from ILUGC. If you cannot see that. Well, too bad... Atul> It is just coincidental that IT.COM is in Bangalore, and I Atul> would have fought as hard had it been in Chennai, Cochin, Atul> Bombay or Delhi. I have, in fact, done so in the Atul> past. That's how you got your stall at the PCQ expo. Just Atul> because I didn't come begging for recognition and gratitude Atul> does not mean that I didn't do it. Thanks for the help. I honestly didnt know. I thought Lateral funded the stall? Am I wrong?? Atul> Instead of fighting me because I call a spade a spade (which Atul> is the only thing you can hold against me), I would have Atul> appreciated a bit of support. Tell me where exactly I didnt support you. If you cannot support your accusations without facts what is the point... YOu have not even bothered to quote any of my mails either... Atul> To make an omelette, you have to break eggs. My job is tough Atul> enough as it is, and I am ready to give up. I can lead a Atul> horse to the water, but I can't make it drink. Atul> If you or any of your LUG members wish to participate in Atul> community events, by all means do so. But leave your Atul> attitudes at home. Atul> Please leave me alone from now on. Just because I happen to Atul> be a public figure and try to make things happen for Linux Atul> in India does not give anyone the right to take potshots at Atul> me or people involved with me. I am a very private person, Atul> and value that privacy. I had decided not to reply to your Atul> mail, but this thing rankled me so much that I got out of Atul> bed, and wrote this reply. Atul> Atul Atul> p.s. As I was writing this, your second reply came in. It Atul> has not changed my mind about this sordid mess. My Atul> penultimate para was aimed at Ravi, just like all the other Atul> stuff I wrote after I started addressing him. And I stand by Atul> it, for the lack of any evidence to the contrary. Ravi's Atul> posts were very similar to Rag00's from Cochin - I wonder if Atul> there is a connection. Atul> p.p.s. Your third reply about the realisation of what I Atul> meant my politicising just came in. Status Quo. Release my Atul> post, and maybe forward this one too, if it helps clarify Atul> matters. You can knock off the p.s. if you wish. Well, all I can say is I am sorry. That is it. I tried to muster help for you as much as I could. So if you still want to hate me go right ahead. Being a public figure you most prolly wont have time for small fry like me. Anyway, best of luck for IT.com. regards, prabhu p.s your mails are all going to be forwarded to ilugc. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Oct 14 14:22:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA4449F45 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11149; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:40:44 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:40:13 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11141 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:40:12 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 421 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:34:56 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kYY2-0000vA-00 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:38:54 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:38:54 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Atul is biting my head off! X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14824.51666.319923.23087@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi folks, I dont know what is wrong but didnt it seem like I was defending Atul when Ravi accused him? Atul is now biting my head off aparently for not being supportive of IT.com. You saw his posts. I aplologised to him and sent him almost three apologies for something that I dont think was terribly wrong and you saw his last post. Besides you all saw my appeal to you (twice once a long while back and once today) about folks helping out for IT.com. I am feeling miserable. Sorry if I did something wrong. If I did let me know, because I really have no idea what I said wrong apart from one really crazy paragraph. But even there I thought I was defending Atul. Or am I going crazy? Or is Atul crazy? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 15 23:25:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D0B4A02B for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00631; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:28:31 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:28:01 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00620 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:27:37 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org (ppp-210-214-3-67.maa.sify.net [210.214.3.67] (may be forged)) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28406 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:19:35 +0500 Message-ID: <39EA99E1.79BABD3D@chennailug.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:32:10 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: how to access windows partition. References: <20001014043106.15689.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > > > I have a linux and 2 windows partitions - c: and d: in > my harddisk. > >From linux, I could access c:. but I could not access > d: This *may* be because your D: is not of a FS that Linux understands. Prolly VFAT/ FAT32/ NTFS (and your kernel not compiled with support for these). A more clear desc of your FS on D: should help. -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 15 23:34:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C204A032 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00816; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:55 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:25 (IST) Received: from smtp1.mail.yahoo.com (smtp1.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.69.60]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00802 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:18 +0530 Received: from res-210-214-12-163.sify.net (HELO yahoo.com) (210.214.12.163) by smtp.mail.vip.suc.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2000 06:21:09 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Sender: root@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in Message-ID: <39EA9620.D2D57A16@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:46:09 +0600 From: Kris Organization: --> V.I.P <-- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: syslogd problem Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: itkris@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc in mandrake 7.0, everything goes well, but suddenly one day, the system locks up during the syslog init. ^c doesnt seem to work. all i can do is ctrlaltdel syslog seems to be up and running in almost all runlevels. why does this happen? and pls suggest a remedy. this problem seems unique to the mandrake release only. pls help thanx in advance kris _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 15 23:34:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB27C4A032 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00820; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:52:22 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:52 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00810 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:47 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org (ppp-210-214-3-67.maa.sify.net [210.214.3.67] (may be forged)) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28741 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:56 +0500 Message-ID: <39EA9F98.7F71A22F@chennailug.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:56:32 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: IT.com and an upset prabhu References: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > > So it appears that no one from here is really interested in > IT.com. > > Give me a break folks. There are 139 members here - agreed > there are a few folks from outside Chennai but there are so many here. > Here is a golden opportunity to do something good, learn something, > see/interact with some of the big Linux people in India and have loads > of fun. I am sure some of you will have a few hours every week when > you can do something for the exhibit at it.com. I guess you can even > get a stall for ILUGC (free of cost). So why doesnt someone take the > initiative and do something constructive. I'm ready to take up the job of designing Posters / Banners for ILUGC (if needed). I'm sorry for the fact that I have exams on the 4th. so I can't make it to IT.com. The only way I can help is by using GIMP (-; -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Oct 15 23:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611DE4A01D for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01045; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:14:48 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:14:18 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01038 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:14:13 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org (ppp-210-214-3-67.maa.sify.net [210.214.3.67] (may be forged)) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29147 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:06:30 +0500 Message-ID: <39EAA4E2.18E6AE55@chennailug.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:19:06 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: ILUGC marketting References: <006a01c03435$8f7822a0$3db409ca@system1> <14821.37101.186794.495567@monster.linux.in> <14821.60068.318424.387257@rockford.dyndns.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > > PPS: This is probably supposed to PPPS, but anyways, here goes: Isn't > marketing spelt marketing and NOT markeTTing, as it is, in the Subject > Line? :) nowadays I geta lot of spelling mistaeks, I dunno why? 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 12:41:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5254A01D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04033; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:50 (IST) Received: from rmx325-mta.mail.com (rmx325-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.53]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04006 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:46 +0530 Received: from web584-mc (web584-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.94]) by rmx325-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27258; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384035200.971724334527.JavaMail.root@web584-mc> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: palaniswamy sudhes kumar Subject: RE: [No Subject] Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.178.59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Sudhes... I am forwarding your mail to the chennai linux user group as there are more people to guide with your queries and interests. You might as well subscribe to chennailug mailing list and post your queries there. Sorry, I could not be of much help. But people in the Chennailug list might be able to answer your queries. Probably u can check the archives before you ask the question. There are two places to look for in www.linux-india.org www.chennailug.org - you can check out archives at lists.linux-india.org Thank you, Deivanayak. ------Original Message------ From: palaniswamy sudhes kumar To: dnayak@india.com Sent: October 14, 2000 9:44:58 PM GMT Subject: [No Subject] dear i got ur emailid from linux.com administrator mr .willma i requested him doubts about how to download redhat linux and how to prepare for linux exams and how to learn linux. he suggested to go to this site. i saw chennai chapter. ok . i am sudhes kumar from coimbatore, i am a graduate in mech engg. i have 12 years of industrial exp and 2 years of prog exp in oracle and d2k , i have passed MCP on SQL recently i request u to guide me on the above. also i can start coimbatore chapter. i need ur advice sincerely sudhes ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 12:41:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D014A00F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04032; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:18 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:48 (IST) Received: from rmx614-mta.mail.com (rmx614-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.52]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04005 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:44 +0530 Received: from web582-mc (web582-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.95]) by rmx614-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05364; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <385047760.971724332587.JavaMail.root@web582-mc> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: palaniswamy sudhes kumar Subject: RE: [No Subject] Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.178.59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Sudhes... I am forwarding your mail to the chennai linux user group as there are more people to guide with your queries and interests. You might as well subscribe to chennailug mailing list and post your queries there. Sorry, I could not be of much help. But people in the Chennailug list might be able to answer your queries. Probably u can check the archives before you ask the question. There are two places to look for in www.linux-india.org www.chennailug.org - you can check out archives at lists.linux-india.org Thank you, Deivanayak. ------Original Message------ From: palaniswamy sudhes kumar To: dnayak@india.com Sent: October 14, 2000 9:44:58 PM GMT Subject: [No Subject] dear i got ur emailid from linux.com administrator mr .willma i requested him doubts about how to download redhat linux and how to prepare for linux exams and how to learn linux. he suggested to go to this site. i saw chennai chapter. ok . i am sudhes kumar from coimbatore, i am a graduate in mech engg. i have 12 years of industrial exp and 2 years of prog exp in oracle and d2k , i have passed MCP on SQL recently i request u to guide me on the above. also i can start coimbatore chapter. i need ur advice sincerely sudhes ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 12:41:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76EB4A01D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04038; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:48 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:17 (IST) Received: from rmx602-mta.mail.com (rmx602-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.51]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04023 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:13 +0530 Received: from web489-mc (web489-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.99]) by rmx602-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02588; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381813387.971724332400.JavaMail.root@web489-mc> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: palaniswamy sudhes kumar Subject: RE: [No Subject] Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.178.59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Sudhes... I am forwarding your mail to the chennai linux user group as there are more people to guide with your queries and interests. You might as well subscribe to chennailug mailing list and post your queries there. Sorry, I could not be of much help. But people in the Chennailug list might be able to answer your queries. Probably u can check the archives before you ask the question. There are two places to look for in www.linux-india.org www.chennailug.org - you can check out archives at lists.linux-india.org Thank you, Deivanayak. ------Original Message------ From: palaniswamy sudhes kumar To: dnayak@india.com Sent: October 14, 2000 9:44:58 PM GMT Subject: [No Subject] dear i got ur emailid from linux.com administrator mr .willma i requested him doubts about how to download redhat linux and how to prepare for linux exams and how to learn linux. he suggested to go to this site. i saw chennai chapter. ok . i am sudhes kumar from coimbatore, i am a graduate in mech engg. i have 12 years of industrial exp and 2 years of prog exp in oracle and d2k , i have passed MCP on SQL recently i request u to guide me on the above. also i can start coimbatore chapter. i need ur advice sincerely sudhes ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 12:41:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBF24A01E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04037; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:44 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:13 (IST) Received: from rmx308-mta.mail.com (rmx308-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.43]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04020 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:56:09 +0530 Received: from web105-mc (web105-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.93]) by rmx308-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18236; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384015520.971724311179.JavaMail.root@web105-mc> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: palaniswamy sudhes kumar Subject: RE: [No Subject] Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.178.59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Sudhes... I am forwarding your mail to the chennai linux user group as there are more people to guide with your queries and interests. You might as well subscribe to chennailug mailing list and post your queries there. Sorry, I could not be of much help. But people in the Chennailug list might be able to answer your queries. Probably u can check the archives before you ask the question. There are two places to look for in www.linux-india.org www.chennailug.org - you can check out archives at lists.linux-india.org Thank you, Deivanayak. ------Original Message------ From: palaniswamy sudhes kumar To: dnayak@india.com Sent: October 14, 2000 9:44:58 PM GMT Subject: [No Subject] dear i got ur emailid from linux.com administrator mr .willma i requested him doubts about how to download redhat linux and how to prepare for linux exams and how to learn linux. he suggested to go to this site. i saw chennai chapter. ok . i am sudhes kumar from coimbatore, i am a graduate in mech engg. i have 12 years of industrial exp and 2 years of prog exp in oracle and d2k , i have passed MCP on SQL recently i request u to guide me on the above. also i can start coimbatore chapter. i need ur advice sincerely sudhes ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 12:41:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3FF4A020 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04017; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:58 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:27 (IST) Received: from rmx308-mta.mail.com (rmx308-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.43]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03997 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:55:22 +0530 Received: from web582-mc (web582-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.95]) by rmx308-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17767; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381589455.971724300761.JavaMail.root@web582-mc> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: palaniswamy sudhes kumar Subject: RE: [No Subject] Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.178.59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Sudhes... I am forwarding your mail to the chennai linux user group as there are more people to guide with your queries and interests. You might as well subscribe to chennailug mailing list and post your queries there. Sorry, I could not be of much help. But people in the Chennailug list might be able to answer your queries. Probably u can check the archives before you ask the question. There are two places to look for in www.linux-india.org www.chennailug.org - you can check out archives at lists.linux-india.org Thank you, Deivanayak. ------Original Message------ From: palaniswamy sudhes kumar To: dnayak@india.com Sent: October 14, 2000 9:44:58 PM GMT Subject: [No Subject] dear i got ur emailid from linux.com administrator mr .willma i requested him doubts about how to download redhat linux and how to prepare for linux exams and how to learn linux. he suggested to go to this site. i saw chennai chapter. ok . i am sudhes kumar from coimbatore, i am a graduate in mech engg. i have 12 years of industrial exp and 2 years of prog exp in oracle and d2k , i have passed MCP on SQL recently i request u to guide me on the above. also i can start coimbatore chapter. i need ur advice sincerely sudhes ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 13:35:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F149F46 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04483; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:54:42 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:54:11 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04477 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:54:07 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GKGOD05057 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2JHYY01.NXQ for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:23:22 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39EB63B9.C816D780@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:23:21 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Atul is biting my head off! References: <14824.51666.319923.23087@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Prabhu Ramachandran proclaimed: > I dont know what is wrong but didnt it seem like I was > defending Atul when Ravi accused him? Atul is now biting my head off > aparently for not being supportive of IT.com. You saw his posts. > I am feeling miserable. Sorry if I did something wrong. If I > did let me know, because I really have no idea what I said wrong apart > from one really crazy paragraph. But even there I thought I was > defending Atul. Or am I going crazy? Or is Atul crazy? Prabhu, Forget about the whole thing and concentrate on your upcoming exams. If you do not have the time, don't read and respond to posts in ilug-c. ILUG-C will always be there. You exams are most important at the moment. Thaths -- "[muttering] Ow, ow, stupid trash, rotten, stinky, hate world, revenge soon, take out on everyone..." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 16:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5C44A10C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04890; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:53:23 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:52:52 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04884 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:52:50 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12749 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:58:52 +0530 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:58:52 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: linux tutor ex.3 (in tamil) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, You can download all the my exercises (linux tutor in Tamil) in both TSCII and TAB format which is avl. under: http://www.egroups.com/files/tamilinix those who know tamil in ILUGC pl. go thru that tutor and send your feedback. I am also planning to translate some of the basic Linux HOWTOs in Tamil (like DOS-Win-to-Linux HOWTO). Any suggestions are most welcome. (prabhu has serious problem in reading tamil - kindly buy tamil in 30 days book and get yourself practiced else i will write a tutor: How to read tamil in Tamil ;-) -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 22:23:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7934A02A for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05982; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:39:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:39:08 (IST) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (web120.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.121]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05976 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:39:00 +0530 Received: (qmail 26236 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 05:08:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017050850.26235.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [202.9.174.7] by web120.yahoomail.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:08:50 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ananth=20S.?=" Subject: i810 and 3c905 drivers To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ananth99@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc HI again, just installed debian potato 2.2 on my comp... surprisingly, rh 6.2 crashed while it was trying to install the kernel or while trying to detect the network card...not sure which.. it gave some cryptic python error messages and crashed... luckily debian installed peacefully... and found the installation scripts much superior to rh... but im not sure how to configure my X... or my network card... i wasnt able to find the network card driver also... it wasnt listed in the hardware supported @ debian website... but rh seemed to have detect it as 3c905. can any1 help me configure the video card and network card ??? and what is the command to play around with .deb's ? as in install a particular package ? as for IT.com, i want to help but im not sure how to go about it.. my experience with linux is minimal (mostly wrt to developing webpages with php,jsp and stuff like that)... plus, right now i can afford to take a trip to b'lore... :( i think atul is expecting too much... why dosent he scream at microsoft india( :0) ) or sun india for not helping him out ??? ive seen the same kind of flames on other linux mailing lists (php, gnome) where the users blame the authors for not having a particular feature.. if he wants a feature, he should either write it or just shut up till someone is kind enough to develop it for free and give it to him.... IT.com seems to produce more noise than anything else.. just my $0.02, Ananth ===== There are no coincidence in life..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Oct 16 22:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787634A02A for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06006; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:42:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:41:34 (IST) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (web120.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.121]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06000 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:41:30 +0530 Received: (qmail 26452 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 05:11:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017051125.26451.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [202.9.174.7] by web120.yahoomail.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:11:25 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ananth=20S.?=" Subject: any agenda for 28th's meeting ? To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ananth99@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc and just wondering if we have any agenda for 28th's meeting so i can come a bit more prepared....:) Ananth ps... good luck to all those who have exams!! :) ===== There are no coincidence in life..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 17 03:26:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913E14A1DF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07928; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:43:06 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:42:36 (IST) Received: from web4605.mail.yahoo.com (web4605.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.160]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07922 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:42:28 +0530 Message-ID: <20001017101153.6870.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.9.161.7] by web4605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:11:53 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: swaraj Subject: Re: syslogd problem To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: swaraj19@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hehe :( killall -9 syslog --- Kris wrote: > in mandrake 7.0, everything goes well, but suddenly > one day, the system > locks up during the syslog init. > ^c doesnt seem to work. all i can do is ctrlaltdel > syslog seems to be up and running in almost all > runlevels. why does this > happen? and pls suggest a remedy. > this problem seems unique to the mandrake release > only. > pls help > thanx in advance > kris > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' > with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe > from this list. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 17 04:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06A14A0A9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08574; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:07:54 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:07:23 (IST) Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h013.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.99]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08561 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:07:16 +0530 Received: (cpmta 22630 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 04:36:30 -0700 Date: 17 Oct 2000 04:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20001017113630.22629.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Oct 2000 11:36:30 GMT Received: from [202.9.161.208] by mail.namezero.com with HTTP; 17 Oct 2000 04:36:30 PDT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in From: ratha krishnan X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.4 X-Sent-From: rathaji.com@namezero.com Subject: un-installing option X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rathaji@rathaji.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, i installed apache with php3 support in linux6.0. Php3 module came as var.gz archive(not a rpm). Now i want to uninstall the php3. what the commantd option for that. thankx rathakrishan.J Regards RATHAJI (J.Rathakrishnan) ------------------------------------------------------ Visit http://www.rathaji.com _______________________________________ Click here to get your free domain name and personal portal from NAMEzero(TM): http://www.namezero.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Oct 17 11:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B3649F4C for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10128; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:47:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:47:17 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10122 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:47:11 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9HI9bD00721 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2L6RO01.EB9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:16:36 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39EC9783.DE465322@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:16:35 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers References: <20001017050850.26235.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ananth S." proclaimed: > but im not sure how to configure my X... If XF86Setup is installed ('dpkg --list xf86setup' will tell you if it is), then run /usr/bin/X11/XF86Setup for a semi graphical setup. I had problems with the mouse when doing so. Removing gpm ('dpkg --remove gpm') solved the problem. > or my network card... i wasnt able to find the network card driver > also... it wasnt listed in the hardware supported @ > debian website... but rh seemed to have detect it as > 3c905. Run 'modconf' (without the quotes) as root and go into the net sub-section and try to install the module for 3c59x. The source code for this driver says the following: This driver is for the 3Com "Vortex" and "Boomerang" series ethercards. Members of the series include Fast EtherLink 3c590/3c592/3c595/3c597 and the EtherLink XL 3c900 and 3c905 cards. > and what is the command to play around with .deb's ? > as in install a particular package ? man dpkg man apt-get Thaths -- Homer: Good news, everyone! I got in a fight with the garbage men and they're cutting off our service! Marge: Oh, lord, now what are we going to do? Just let the trash pile up? Homer: Hey, I'd rather live in a dump than in a world run by snooty garbage men. Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 00:50:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133CB49F45 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12442; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:01:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:32 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12429 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:31 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 533 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:54:33 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13lneH-0004xs-00 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:58:29 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:58:29 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: un-installing option In-Reply-To: <20001017113630.22629.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> References: <20001017113630.22629.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14829.20562.120034.247922@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "ratha" == ratha krishnan writes: ratha> Hi, ratha> i installed apache with php3 support in linux6.0. Php3 ratha> module came as var.gz archive(not a rpm). Now i want to ^^^^^^^^^ I guess you mean tar.gz. You will have to manually uninstall it. Do you have the original tarball? Where did you install the package? In /usr/local? Basically you will have to look at the original tarball and figure out where it installed the various files like so $ tar tvzf package.tar.gz | less or fire up mc $ mc and look at the tarball, figure out where things went and remove them manually. If you are brave you could even write a shell script that automates this. :) ratha> uninstall the php3. what the commantd option for that. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 02:50:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E105149F46 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12987; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:01:24 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:00:54 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12981 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:00:48 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.147.86]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04053 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:52:56 +0500 Message-ID: <39EE16C2.FDFF34E7@chennailug.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:01:46 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers References: <20001017050850.26235.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi > but im not sure how to configure my X... or my network > card... i wasnt able to find the network card driver > also... it wasnt listed in the hardware supported @ > debian website... but rh seemed to have detect it as > 3c905. > > can any1 help me configure the video card and network > card ??? > I can help you a bit reg. i810: I'm planning to upload the i810 drivers to chennailug.org. That may take some time (until I get a god stable connection). As of now you can download the drivers (in rpm) from : http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel810/ I would suggest you download the rpm (the tar.gz didn't compile on my friend's debian machine). and convert it to deb using alien. -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 02:53:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DEF4A3D8 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13068; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:11:53 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:11:22 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13058 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:11:18 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.147.86]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04215 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:02:52 +0500 Message-ID: <39EE190D.A2383515@chennailug.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:11:33 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in" Subject: chennailug.org just visited a beauty parlour Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey all Here is the ILUGC Site update (and zameer... no more making fun!) (-; * Added a few Icons ot the right nav bar. * Changed the left nav menu's images. With this chennailug.org has become 100% lynx compatible. Feel free to send in your comments to me. -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 02:57:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EB74A018 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13127; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:50 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:19 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13113 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:14:14 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.147.86]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04264 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:06:22 +0500 Message-ID: <39EE19E9.4E009359@chennailug.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:15:13 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers References: <20001017050850.26235.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> <39EC9783.DE465322@netscape.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc God damn me... it was my friend's RHL box... btw potato *has* I810 support!! -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 03:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B4E49F47 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13380; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:41:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:40:30 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13369 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:40:26 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.147.86]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04634 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:32:31 +0500 Message-ID: <39EE200A.1A8CD1C8@chennailug.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:41:22 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers References: <20001017050850.26235.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> <39EC9783.DE465322@netscape.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > with the mouse when doing so. Removing gpm ('dpkg --remove gpm') solved > the problem. /me too had this problem. Here's the fix: Mouse for X (/dev/mouse) has to be symlinked to /dev/gpmdata instead of your serial_mouse ? /dev/ttySx : /dev/psaux. You can have both gpm as well as mouse under X. But there's also a drawback: If you want to play console games with mouse support (say lsdoom / quake-*), you must revert back to the old /dev/mouse->/dev/ttySx -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 04:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E57B4A0D5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13604; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:25:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:24:41 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13591 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:24:40 +0530 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:24:39 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers In-Reply-To: <39EE19E9.4E009359@chennailug.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Suraj.co.in wrote: > God damn me... it was my friend's RHL box... btw potato *has* I810 support!! big deal that potato supports i810; even rhl6.2+updates supports 810 quite well (without updates, support is flaky). if you want to compare to potato, rhl 7.0 should be used for a fair comparison. rhl7.0 sees the 810 chipset during install and sets up things appropriately (atleast, it did it for me, including x config; like the other os, it did not ask me how i wanted things; just set it up the way IT wanted, and tough luck if i didn't like it...). the 3c905 has been supported for sometime (i tried it one time and it seemed to work). the 3c905 uses the drivers meant for the 3c590/3c595 cards (3c59x driver); the one time i tried, the card was detected at boot time and the appropriate driver loaded. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 06:15:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB24A0B0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13953; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:32:51 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:32:20 (IST) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (web116.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.89]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13947 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:32:08 +0530 Received: (qmail 1242 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2000 13:02:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20001018130202.1241.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [202.9.174.7] by web116.yahoomail.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:02:02 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Ananth=20S.?=" Subject: Re: i810 and 3c905 drivers To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ananth99@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc --- "Suraj.co.in" a écrit : > God damn me... it was my friend's RHL box... btw > potato *has* I810 support!! > > -Suraj in that case, how do i install it ??? and btw, i think i have a ps/2 mouse.. i did try the 3c50x drivers as suggested but still having some probs configuring.. for eg, i could find the `hostname` command but wasnt able to find the `domainname`... unable to ping any other machine in the network thou ifconfig shows eth0 as up and running... resolv.conf , network (all under /etc) has the hostname , domainname and misc info in their resp format... thanx again for ur help! Ananth ===== There are no coincidence in life..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 07:57:31 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D4C4A01B for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14249; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:13:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:12:40 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14243 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:12:32 +0530 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id UAA08990 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:04:49 +0500 Received: from os4 ([202.9.189.14]) by alpha.focusite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA10701 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:14:26 +0530 Message-ID: <000d01c03911$d8181ca0$0b00000a@chennai.cibsnet.net> From: "Pichai Asokan" To: References: <39EE190D.A2383515@chennailug.org> Subject: Re: chennailug.org just visited a beauty parlour Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:43:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: pasokan@os4.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc A small quibble; Minutes is misspelt P Asokan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suraj.co.in" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: chennailug.org just visited a beauty parlour > Hey all > > Here is the ILUGC Site update (and zameer... no more making fun!) > (-; > > * Added a few Icons ot the right nav bar. > * Changed the left nav menu's images. > > With this chennailug.org has become 100% lynx compatible. > > Feel free to send in your comments to me. > > -Suraj > > > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 08:24:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8A94A0A8 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14432; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:38:00 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:37:29 (IST) Received: from unknown-230-101.pilot.net (unknown-230-101.pilot.net [206.98.230.101]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14424 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:37:25 +0530 Received: from unknown-239-164.pilot.net (unknown-239-164.pilot.net [206.189.239.164]) by unknown-230-101.pilot.net with ESMTP id LAA07819 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wst03.tata.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-239-164.pilot.net with ESMTP id LAA06661 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpc240i.tata.ge.com by wst03.tata.ge.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/16.2) id LAA03781; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zc541 ([3.209.113.123]) by hpc240i.tata.ge.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA06135 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:36:58 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <000401c0396d$61a3d800$7b71d103@zc541.tata.ge.com> From: "Anbalagan" To: Subject: Mailing list archives Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: vanbu@wst03.tata.ge.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I saw our updated chennailug site. I have one suggestion related to Mailing list archives , to get all mails in html format with links related to author, subject etc we can try to use "hypermail" a free download for unix . Check it out , it will be of great help anbudan, anbu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Oct 18 10:36:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A11F49F4A for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14790; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:46:23 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:45:53 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14784 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:45:46 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9IH80D14774 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G2MYL000.H08 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:15:00 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39EDDA93.ABC26924@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:14:59 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Mailing list archives References: <000401c0396d$61a3d800$7b71d103@zc541.tata.ge.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Anbalagan proclaimed: > I saw our updated chennailug site. I have one suggestion related to Mailing > list archives , to get all mails in html format with links related to > author, subject etc we can try to use "hypermail" a free download for unix . > Check it out , it will be of great help Did you try http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/ilug-c ? Thaths -- Homer: Good news, everyone! I got in a fight with the garbage men and they're cutting off our service! Marge: Oh, lord, now what are we going to do? Just let the trash pile up? Homer: Hey, I'd rather live in a dump than in a world run by snooty garbage men. Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 03:21:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FC34A0DC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18398; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:31:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:31:16 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18391 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:31:11 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 430 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:25:21 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mCTm-0000P4-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:29:18 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:29:17 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Atul is biting my head off! In-Reply-To: <39EB63B9.C816D780@netscape.com> References: <14824.51666.319923.23087@monster.linux.in> <39EB63B9.C816D780@netscape.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.50636.209717.710061@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Sudhakar" == Sudhakar Chandra writes: Sudhakar> Prabhu, Sudhakar> Forget about the whole thing and concentrate on your Sudhakar> upcoming exams. If you do not have the time, don't read Sudhakar> and respond to posts in ilug-c. ILUG-C will always be Sudhakar> there. You exams are most important at the moment. Well, it is all over now. :) Thanks for the response. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 03:48:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2CF4A09F for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18696; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:04:42 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:04:11 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18679 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:04:04 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 570 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:58:05 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mCzR-0000Qg-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:02:01 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:02:01 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: any agenda for 28th's meeting ? In-Reply-To: <20001017051125.26451.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> References: <20001017051125.26451.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.51883.909476.303176@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Well, having possibly given you the most entertaining weekend on ilugc ;), I have the following things to say. An update on the fight: Ravi sent in an unconditional apology to Atul which Atul accepted. So it is all well now. Most people preferred that the meeting be held on 28th and not on the 21st of this month, ergo, the meeting will be held on the 28th of October 2000. Mr. Gopinath had proposed to speak on SNMP. However, it may not be convenient for him to come on the 28th. He said that he would try and make it. If he does not make it I propose to give an introduction to shell scripting with bash. If there are any bash guru's around with objections let me know. The talk will be mostly introductory and hopefully we will get somewhere. I also have plans on a "Scripting with python" series (including an intro to using Tkinter for GUI's). Maybe we can discuss this during the next meeting? Sorry about my last message. I had wanted to send it to Thaths personally but I goofed. >>>>> "Ananth" == writes: Ananth> and just wondering if we have any agenda for 28th's Ananth> meeting so i can come a bit more prepared....:) Ananth> Ananth Ananth> ps... good luck to all those who have exams!! :) thanks. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 04:21:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5427049F5F for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18953; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:37:07 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:36:36 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18947 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:36:33 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 569 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:30:42 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mDV1-0000Rv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:34:39 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:34:39 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: IT.com (was Re: IT.com and an upset prabhu) In-Reply-To: <39EA9F98.7F71A22F@chennailug.org> References: <14824.34190.909185.830859@monster.linux.in> <39EA9F98.7F71A22F@chennailug.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.54346.333419.988940@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Before anything, I apologize for the name calling during the weekend. I think I called us all "lazy" or something. Sorry! Folks who want to help out with the IT.com stuff please visit www.linux-india.org and go to the Linux@It.com link somewhere there. There is a mailing list there (not high volume) that you could join and help out on. >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> I'm ready to take up the job of designing Posters / Banners Suraj> for ILUGC (if needed). I'm sorry for the fact that I have Suraj> exams on the 4th. so I can't make it to IT.com. The only Suraj> way I can help is by using GIMP (-; Please do as mentioned above. I am sure your expertise with GIMP will be highly appreciated. thanks, prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 04:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841E349F5F for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18994; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:44:43 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:44:13 (IST) Received: from mini.lucid.co.in ([203.197.157.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18982 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:44:09 +0530 Received: from daffy (202.9.161.199 [202.9.161.199]) by mini.lucid.co.in with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id VFYDSVKX; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:48:58 +0530 From: "Narayanan S" To: Subject: Some one to help me Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:41:53 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: NarayananS@lucid.co.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, We are a software dev house in chennai looking out for linux guys with c++ skills. could some one help me in telling me where do i hunt for these skills. Reply ASAP Thanks and Bye S Narayanan --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:10:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50064A11D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19344; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:29:43 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:29:12 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19281 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:24:35 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:24:35 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: help wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc friends, i thought it is a good idea to mount /usr read-only so as the enhance system security. i have accordinly put /usr on a separate partition on my linux box (rhl 7.0). now, however, i am at a loss as to how to install software that will put stuff in /usr. i have come up with a kludge by which a script edits my /etc/fstab so that /usr is shown an mouting as rw and another script changes /etc/fstab back to /usr mouting as ro. i run the first script, reboot the machine (so now /usr is available rw), install the software, run my second script and reboot the machine to go back to my usual setup. this is sort of feeling like windows. surely, there must be a better way to do this. any suggestions? sriram ps: dont give me the obvious like umount /usr, mount /usr with -rw option. it does not work. the umount fails saying file system is busy. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:13:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6EB4A11A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19371; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:31:26 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:30:56 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19364 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:30:55 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:30:54 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: suggestions wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc friends, i thought it is a good idea to mount /usr read-only so as the enhance system security. i have accordinly put /usr on a separate partition on my linux box (rhl 7.0). now, however, i am at a loss as to how to install software that will put stuff in /usr. i have come up with a kludge by which a script edits my /etc/fstab so that /usr is shown an mouting as rw and another script changes /etc/fstab back to /usr mouting as ro. i run the first script, reboot the machine (so now /usr is available rw), install the software, run my second script and reboot the machine to go back to my usual setup. this is sort of feeling like windows. surely, there must be a better way to do this. any suggestions? sriram ps: dont give me the obvious like umount /usr, mount /usr with -rw option. it does not work. the umount fails saying file system is busy. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:17:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A894A11A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19519; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:45 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:14 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19496 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:11 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 564 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:29:22 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mEPi-0000VQ-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:33:14 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:33:14 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: help wanted In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.57910.828545.825211@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Dear Sir, Here is what I do on my old machine where /usr, /usr/local are mounted read-only. In root's .bashrc I have the following functions defined. ------------ function mrw { mount -o remount,rw $@ } function mro { mount -o remount,ro $@ } ------------ So all i do is this: # mrw /usr # apt-get update; apt-get upgrade # mro /usr It works fine. The remount argument is the key. prabhu >>>>> "DPS" == P Sriram writes: DPS> friends, i thought it is a good idea to mount /usr read-only DPS> so as the enhance system security. i have accordinly put /usr DPS> on a separate partition on my linux box (rhl 7.0). now, DPS> however, i am at a loss as to how to install software that DPS> will put stuff in /usr. i have come up with a kludge by which DPS> a script edits my /etc/fstab so that /usr is shown an mouting DPS> as rw and another script changes /etc/fstab back to /usr DPS> mouting as ro. i run the first script, reboot the machine (so DPS> now /usr is available rw), install the software, run my DPS> second script and reboot the machine to go back to my usual DPS> setup. this is sort of feeling like windows. surely, there DPS> must be a better way to do this. any suggestions? DPS> sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:24:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50844A11A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19648; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:41:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:40:39 (IST) Received: from pughsnt.srasys.co.in ([202.54.63.129]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19637 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:40:32 +0530 Received: from mailscan.srasys.co.in (172.16.0.108 [172.16.0.108]) by pughsnt.srasys.co.in with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id VDB2ZV2Q; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:37:51 +0530 Received: from ram by smtpmail.srasys.co.in with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.1.R) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:37:07 +0530 Message-ID: <009601c039c5$82cd7f60$aa0110ac@ram> From: "RamKumar" To: References: Subject: Re: suggestions wanted Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:40:02 +0530 Organization: SRA Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDRcpt-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-Return-Path: rrk@srasys.co.in X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rrk@srasys.co.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc instead of rebooting you can go to single user mode and umount /usr and remount with rw and install the software. this may not be a good suggestion but still it works.. ram ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: suggestions wanted > friends, > > i thought it is a good idea to mount /usr read-only so as the enhance > system security. i have accordinly put /usr on a separate partition on my > linux box (rhl 7.0). now, however, i am at a loss as to how to install > software that will put stuff in /usr. i have come up with a kludge by > which a script edits my /etc/fstab so that /usr is shown an mouting as rw > and another script changes /etc/fstab back to /usr mouting as ro. i run > the first script, reboot the machine (so now /usr is available rw), > install the software, run my second script and reboot the machine to go > back to my usual setup. this is sort of feeling like windows. surely, > there must be a better way to do this. any suggestions? > > sriram > > ps: dont give me the obvious like umount /usr, mount /usr with -rw option. > it does not work. the umount fails saying file system is busy. > > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:25:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192474A11A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19676; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:43:34 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:43:04 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19506 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:28 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:35:27 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: double posting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc friends, i apologize for the double posting. i first posted with a subject line of help wanted (as you can see) and the system gave me a message indicating that it was taking the 'help' on the subject line as a command to listar and hence would ignore the contents of the mail. so, i reposted with a different subject heading - but it would appear that the system decided to post my original one too. hence the double post. sorry. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:29:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446E04A05D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19776; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:48:05 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:47:34 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19751 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:47:31 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 412 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:41:41 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mEbf-0000Yn-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:45:35 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:45:34 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: suggestions wanted In-Reply-To: <009601c039c5$82cd7f60$aa0110ac@ram> References: <009601c039c5$82cd7f60$aa0110ac@ram> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.58784.955680.488014@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "RamKumar" == RamKumar writes: RamKumar> instead of rebooting you can go to single user mode and RamKumar> umount /usr and remount with rw and install the RamKumar> software. this may not be a good suggestion but still RamKumar> it works.. As I had posted mount -o remount,rw /usr is absolutely the best way. No single user, no reboot. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 05:39:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14F4A05D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19903; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:57:10 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:56:39 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19894 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:56:37 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 597 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:50:33 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mEkH-0000Z4-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:54:29 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:54:29 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: double posting In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14830.58873.77704.737984@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "DPS" == P Sriram writes: DPS> different subject heading - but it would appear that the DPS> system decided to post my original one too. hence the double DPS> post. sorry. Well, it wasn't the system, it was me. :) All posts that fail some kind of administrivia check get sent to me. i.e. any post to ilugc with help, {un,}subscribe, double posting (yes, I had to forward this mail too - no idea why) in the subject has to be approved by me. This way any unsubscribe, subscribe requests to ilugc and not ilugc-request get filtered by me. Similarly, any mail from an address that is not subscribed to ilugc gets sent to me for approval. For subscribe requests I send pre-written messages back to the sender with instructions. It is a bit painful for me but saves ilugc from spam and the like and saves b/w. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 08:27:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCAA4A0BC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20515; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:45:15 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:44:44 (IST) Received: from tn.nic.in (tn.nic.in [164.100.167.2]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20505 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:44:43 +0530 Received: (from sxg@localhost) by tn.nic.in (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10069 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:37:05 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:37:05 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <200010191507.UAA10069@tn.nic.in> From: sxg@tn.nic.in (S.Gopinath) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: any agenda for 28th's meeting ? X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sxg@tn.nic.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I think I can come on 28th & talk about SNMP Earlier I planned to visit Port Blair next week which got postponed. Thnaks, S.Gopinath --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 09:10:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3694A1F5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20867; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:26:56 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:26:25 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20860 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:26:22 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20636 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:31:53 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:31:53 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: [linux@it.com] Update - 19/Oct (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc -- mks -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:07:10 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis Reply-To: linux-at-itcom@egroups.com To: Linux at IT.COM Subject: [linux@it.com] Update - 19/Oct /* cut */ I have added the Installs section as well as the Indian Linux section to the exhibits list. However, as I have explained earlier, these are both special cases. The Indian Linux section is still in the air. So far, not a single person has risen to my bait about there not being any such thing. (OK, I *did* get flamed from one LUG about it, but there is nothing on that LUG's website about it, either ;-). Is there *nobody* here who has done any work on localising Linux for India? Atul -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 09:14:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E234B4A0A8 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20921; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:32:15 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:31:45 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20910 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:31:43 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20641 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:37:15 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:37:15 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Attn: webmaster Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, if you people don't mind why don't we put Indian Lang. linux stuff on our site (chennailug). I can handle the tamil related stuff. for other lang. I don't know that much. suggestions are welcome. -- mks -- --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 10:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067894A052 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21272; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:19:00 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:18:29 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21265 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:18:25 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20675 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:23:57 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:23:57 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Re: [linux@it.com] Update - 19/Oct (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:23:20 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan To: Linux at IT.COM Subject: Re: [linux@it.com] Update - 19/Oct On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Atul Chitnis wrote: > The Indian Linux section is still in the air. So far, not a single person > has risen to my bait about there not being any such thing. (OK, I *did* > get flamed from one LUG about it, but there is nothing on that LUG's > website about it, either ;-). 1) I can show the demo of "AkaramTeX - Tamil editor" on linux. It is written in TCl/TK. It is a free software currently avl. on http://tamil.htmlplanet.com. The speciality of this editor it is bundled (tar ball) with one LaTeX tamil font. Because of this, you can type any latex program in this editor (for changing between eng. and tam. press F11) and compile as usual to get the *.ps output. 2) second thing is: "consoleTamil-0.4". In this, in text mode (not X) you can view any tamil file (TSCII font). currently you can see tamil output with: cal ls pico vi more cat lynx w3m with other utilities it has some problem. As such the consolefont used will not be that much good. You can download this software from: http://www.egroups.com/tamilinix I am attending the it.com on Nov.4th. That day i can show the demo of these stuff. Currently it has been tested in RHL6.x Hope in other distro also it will work. Work is going on to provide "inputting" support also. 3) In our centre (AU-KBC Centre, MIT, Anna Univ.) we are currently developing a Tamil to Hindi Human Aided Machine Translation System based on Linux (perl). It is still in the development stage but can translate simple sentences. Currently the dictionary size is very limited (contains only 33,000 words from tamil to hindi). The entire thing was developed using CDAC GIST Terminal (It's a dumb terminal which supports all the Indian Lang.). But just last week we converted it into browser based one. A much more stable version called "Telugu to Hindi Anusaaraka" was developed as Central UNiv., Hyderabad under the leadership of Prof.Rajeev Sangal, Dr.Vineet Chaitanya, Ms.Amba Kulkarni. Actually they are also developed alpha versions of "Marathi to Hindi, Kannada to Hindi" also. The output will be reasonably better than ours in their systems. Since I don't know telugu/marathi/kannada, sorry i can't demo these software. For more details on these software you can contact sangal@iiit.net (or) amba@iiit.net (or) vc@iiit.net Currently they moved to Lang.Technology Research Centre, at IIIT-Hyderabad. 4) KDE 2.0 beta comes with Tamil support. Those who want to take a look of the screenshot kindly visit: http://tamil.htmlplanet.com and also at http://members.home.net/gomathiss/kde.html for more details. If any tamil guys are in list can try to show this demo to the audience since i have not tried KDE 2.0 so far. For KDE tamil localisation Mr.Siva Shanmugasundaram is the team leader (sshanmu@yahoo.com) 5) For manipulating all the Indian Lang. Prof.Kalyanakrishnan, in IIT-Madras developed wonderful tools (since 1991) for all the platform (unix, mac, dos, win). Currently I dont know where it is avl. on the web. But he has very strict licensing scheme and don't want to make it commercial. Currently it is avl. free for non-commercial purpose. Basically he developed linguistic based approach to solve the font coding issue. He is using a 16 bit font developed by him, which contains the code for phonetic pronounciation instead storing the code of each letter in a lang. This way it can easily handle all the Indian lang. in a single appln. for e.g. I saw the demo of his editor which can simultaneously show all the Indian lang. (japanese too) and obey the sorting order perfectly. Prof. also showed us a demo of his Indian Lang. Search Engine (based on his font) working fantastic (using mysql as backend). He dont want to give publicity due to various reasons. Anyway those want to make an attempt here is his email address: rkk@shiva.iitm.ernet.in (Dr. R KalyanaKrishnan). > Is there *nobody* here who has done any work on localising Linux for > India? I am in the process of writing a small linux tutor in tamil for Intermediate level computer user. Currently I have completed 3 exercises which are freely avl. for download on: http://www.egroups.com/files/tamilinix (go to tutorial section) also doing DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO translation in Tamil will be posted this weekend. The problem with developing Indian Lang. based software is due to non-standardisation of character/font encoding. More about this, you can expect on the tech talk - "Indian Lang Computing - Missing Resources" thanks to all the people working for it.com for creating awareness about Indian Lang. Computing to the audience. -- mks -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 10:12:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCED4A03C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21401; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:31:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:30:42 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21394 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:30:40 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20713 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:36:12 +0530 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:36:12 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: [tamilinix] Slashdot style website for tamil open source movement (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc -- mks -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:02:02 -0000 From: Sivamani Varun Reply-To: tamilinix@egroups.com To: tamilinix@egroups.com Subject: [tamilinix] Slashdot style website for tamil open source movement Hi, I'm Sivamani "The Tamilan" Varun. I am presently developing a Slashdot(www.slashdot.org)style website for the tamil open source movement. It is called Tamildot. I have already registered the domain and 99% done with the website. It should be ready at about approximately 9.00 GMT, 20 October 2000. Tamildot is at http://www.tamildot.org/ Anbudan, Sivamani Varun --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Oct 19 10:15:54 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07884A03C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21459; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:35:08 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:34:37 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21447 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:34:35 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.98]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 418 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:28:45 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13mJ5V-0000E7-00 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:32:41 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:32:40 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: any agenda for 28th's meeting ? In-Reply-To: <200010191507.UAA10069@tn.nic.in> References: <200010191507.UAA10069@tn.nic.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14831.10184.131345.630662@monster.linux.in> Sender: "prabhu **" X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Gopinath" == S Gopinath writes: