From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 2 02:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB938050 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 02:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11899; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:32:48 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:32:17 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11890 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:31:11 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02635 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:35:56 +0530 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:35:56 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: [OFF TOPIC] pdf versions of papers of Tamil Internet 2000 now available to the general public Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, those who missed TamilInaiyam 2000 conference held during 22nd to 24th July 2000 at Singapore, here are the papers on-line ** mks ** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:29:07 +0200 From: K. Kalyanasundaram Reply-To: pmadurai@egroups.com To: pmadurai@egroups.com, agathiyar@egroups.com Subject: [pmadurai] pdf versions of papers of Tamil Internet 2000 now available to the general public Dear Friends: PDF (portable document format) version of technical papers presented at the last Tamil Internet 2000 conference is now available to the general public through the conference website . Please visit http://www.tamilinaiyam2000.org/conference_hub.html and click on the appropriate "download" button to download the paper(s) you are interested. These pdf files were produced at very short notice from the author's electronic version of their papers to produce the conference book. We did not have time to carefully proof-read the files to correct typos and other errors. Our apologies on this. We will try to proof-read these files and implement corrections as soon as possible. Your input, assistance in this will be greatly appreciated. Feel free to send in your comments via private email addressed to me. Free Acrobat Readers to view the pdf files are available for nearly all computer platforms (Win, Mac, Unix) and you can download them from the Adobe website . Please feel free to forward this posting to other Tamil mailing lists you subscribe to to spread the news around. anbudan, Kalyan --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 7 20:15:23 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC0D4A01A for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00337; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:29:04 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:28:34 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00318 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:28:22 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77KYZA17449 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FYXW9100.H2G for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:43:49 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <398F1F85.4193A791@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:43:49 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Why lin[s]ux. References: <20000802222828.A19019@symonds.net> <39891155.AE3EEFE9@ti.com> <20000803002749.A19684@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" proclaimed: > Throughout all of these, it's interesting to note the typical Linux > kiddie reaction to proof that their OS sucks ass. It's always > something like: > > 1. The test wasn't "fair" > 2. What about new kernel x.y.z? > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > 3. You can't expect > 4. The people doing the test must be mean/biased > 5. It wasn't tuned properly > 6. They didn't look at the latest release of Red Hat x.y! > > They really seem like 4-year-olds who have just been denied a pack of > gum in a grocery store. Hey! That pretty much approximates what the Marketing department in a corporation does. These kids seem to be headed for future MBA-hood. Thaths -- Marge: Boy, that quiet engine sure makes conversation a lot easier. Homer: Yeah, it's got a lot of other problems, too. Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 7 20:45:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52CD4A171 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00876; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:58:11 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:57:41 (IST) Received: from annauniv.edu (IDENT:root@[203.197.138.163]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00862 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:57:39 +0530 Received: from localhost (linux@localhost) by annauniv.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28671 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:26:15 +0530 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:26:15 +0530 (IST) From: Athena To: Chennai Linux Users Group Subject: Is Corel File Manager Available For Download Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: linux@annauniv.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Dear Luggies, I found that Corel File Manager looks good. I would like to download it and run it in my RH box. Is it available for download ?. If so Could somebody give me the URL ? -George Samuel --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 7 20:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B734A171 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00964; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:04:48 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:04:18 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00944 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:04:01 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e77KnVA20025 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FYXWXX01.Q38 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:58:45 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <398F2305.715CD4BD@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:58:45 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Completely Offftopic : Re: Why lin[s]ux. References: <7731494641.20000803173151@vsnl.com> <398968AE.BDD5A3CF@ti.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ramakrishnan M proclaimed: > BGanesh wrote: > > Also, the licence issues are the next bone of contention. You can hear > > the chant on Slashdot "Open Source, Open Source"... though how many of > > them read the source is moot. And they seem to presume it is a > > panacea. This is the primary area where *BSD users tend to be more > > forgiving... hence less vocal... > I would not reply to any other points. I just cann't resist to comment on the > ignorance of the person who posted this. BGanesh was stating his observation. And you are saying that his observation is based on ignorance, right? > My reply may or may not be related to the original post--or rather > I don't care. In *my* opinion, you reply certainly is not related to BGanesh's observation. > And I am defying the author's "warning". I too don't want to flame. > I don't have time to do so. Hmm. Time seems to be at a premium these days. > But cann't just resist watching such baseless posts as these posts > can potentially creat FUD among newbies. #include The State has to watch out for those wily counter-revolutionaries. We, The State, must stop them from spreading rumours that will make out job of helping The People think for themselves more difficult. How was BGanesh's observation that *BSD users tend to me more forgiving anfd less vocal about licensing a FUD? Are you denying that *BSD license is less restrictive than GPL? Thaths -- Marge: Boy, that quiet engine sure makes conversation a lot easier. Homer: Yeah, it's got a lot of other problems, too. Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 7 23:09:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C124A03F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01359; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:32:51 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:32:21 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01353 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:32:15 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13M0aN-0003hl-00; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:01:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 21:01:51 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: Completely Offftopic : Re: Why lin[s]ux. Message-ID: <20000807210151.A14215@symonds.net> References: <7731494641.20000803173151@vsnl.com> <398968AE.BDD5A3CF@ti.com> <398F2305.715CD4BD@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <398F2305.715CD4BD@netscape.com>; from thaths@netscape.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 01:58:45PM -0700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 01:58:45PM -0700, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > BGanesh was stating his observation. And you are saying that his > observation is based on ignorance, right? Um, *I* thought that he was referring to *my* original post, with the URL.. but whatever,.. > How was BGanesh's observation that *BSD users tend to me more forgiving > anfd less vocal about licensing a FUD? Are you denying that *BSD license > is less restrictive than GPL? Again, I thought that my original post with the URL was being construed as FUD.. Infact, IIRC the post said something like, "The original post was one to throw FUD at newbies" or somesuch... I'm quoting from memory, and hence maybe factually incorrect,... -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 8 03:16:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4B74A104 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01942; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:19:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:19:02 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01935 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:18:57 +0530 Received: from bigfoot.com ([203.199.224.117]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28504 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:26:49 +0530 (IST) Sender: zameer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <398FD79A.23BBA3BC@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:19:15 +0530 From: Zameer Ahmed Organization: Lateral Software Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc Subject: FYI : Dick Tracy Watch Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Everyone, Check the screenshots http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5153961039.html Zameer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being. Malcolm X, NYC, 20 Dec. 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 8 11:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD3249FF0 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04102; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:16:50 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:16:19 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04095 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:16:10 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01529; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:43 +0530 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:21:43 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Cc: Project Madurai Subject: view tamil on text-console under linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, Warning: Long Email. Mr.sivaraj has written a wonderful tool to view tamil under linux console (currently it is not working in X-term). Even you can see tamil output in tamil for "cal", "date" command. you can use lynx, w3m browsers to view tamil sites like www.aaraamthinai.com. currently the consoleTamil-0.4 uses TSCII font for tamil encoding. you can try it out: http://www.egroups.com/files/tamilinix you can click "apps" and download "consoleTamil-0.4.tar.gz" file and install it. Currently it has been tested under RH6.0. It is also working fine under RHL6.x. Send your comments. one problem with TSCII font is it is now showing the tamil character "i" (as in idli, idiyaappam) under various browsers (except netscape). Those who are interested in developing tamil related tools on Unix/Linux you can join this mailing list. to subscribe to this list visit the above site itself. I attended the recent tamilInaiyam-2000 conference held at singapore during 22nd to 24th July 2000. (to present a paper on OCR for printed Tamil characters). For my surprise there is not even a single linux or unix machine in the grand expo which mostly focused on learning tools for Tamil. It was amazing to see that several CDs are there to learn tamil, famous stories with all th e multimedia in tamil, etc.., mostly targetted to singapore, malaysian tamil childrens andstudents. Nearly more than 30 papers were presented in the conf. One of the session was completely organised by children (6 to 12th std) mostly from sing/malaysia schools. They have developed reasonable amount of html content on various topics in tamil as a part of their assignment in schools. Also there was a session focusing "spread of IT in singpore schools" chaired by one Mr. S Kuppusamy who is a teacher in one of the sing. school. All the time they were talking about MS-powerpoint and windows only for all content developing. Then at the end of the session i opened my mouth and started to tell the GNU project, Open source code, Linux etc.., stuff to the crowd. They simply asked what is meant by linux (??????). Is it a software like powerpoint or what? what can i do with linux etc.., I gave enough ref. sites to start with linux, and also talked a few words about linux user groups all around the country particularly in chennai - the activities going on there etc.., It is really a nice experience with sing. & malaysian tamil students. They have lot of enthusiasm to do something for their language. Also there is a great demand for OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software for Tamil which can be used to build digital libraries quickly instead of manual typing. For the last 20 years here and there some theoretical analysis and experimental work were done. So far no coordinated effort have been put in this area. OCR is a huge task that no single person can finish the job. If lot of volunteers can join as in Open Source Software effort, and each concentrate on one specific task like noise removal, syntax analyser, recognition engine, etc.., we can surely finish this job in a year and can produce reasonable quality OCR software for printed tamil characters. At the conclusion session of the conference (headed by Mr. Muthu nedumaran - author of the famous "Murasu Anjal software") , i raised this issue, and almost all of the gathering supported to start a open source code movement to develop tamil related tools and also to maintain a single repository for such activities. One Mr.Vinod (IISc student) also attended that conf. and presented a paper on "Tamil support in Linux Kernel". Interested members can download conf.papers from http://www.tamilinaiyam2000.org/conference_hub.html (some sections are missing in on-line version of papers from the original one.) I kindly request the interested ILUGC (Indian Linux User Group - Chennai) members to join this activity. kindly spread this news in other LUGs also. sorry for the long email. with love, mks -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 8 13:09:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126024A036 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04451; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:23:26 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:22:55 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04445 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:22:46 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01629; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:27:30 +0530 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:27:30 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Project Madurai Cc: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Re: [pmadurai] view tamil on text-console under linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, M K Saravanan wrote: > fine under RHL6.x. Send your comments. one problem with TSCII font is it > is now showing the tamil character "i" (as in idli, idiyaappam) under > various browsers (except netscape). Those who are interested in Sorry for the typo. Instead of typing "it is not showing", i have mistaken typed it as "it is now showing" :-) ** mks ** -- ******************************************************************** M K Saravanan, Member Research Staff, The AU-KBC Centre for Internet & Telecom Technologies, Madras Institute of Technology, Anna University, Chromepet, Chennai 600 044. Tamilnadu, INDIA Tel (O): 91 44 2417885 Email: mksarav@mitindia.edu Telefax (O): 91 44 2402711 URL : http://mksarav.tripod.com ******************************************************************* --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 11:50:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B264A0E3 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02790; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:00:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:00:27 (IST) Received: from boston.imaginetechnologies.com (oommen@imaginetechnologies.com [207.244.122.29]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02782 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:00:20 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by boston.imaginetechnologies.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23834; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:29:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: ILUG Chennai , Boston Linux Unix Group Subject: SCSI Tape drives on Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@imaginetechnologies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Do any of you have experience in using SCSI tape drives on Linux? a) What additional hardware is needed for the tape drive to work, if the kernel has SCSI support and has SCSI devices already connected? b) How do you go about installing/configuring the drive, assuming we have the 'insmod st' done? c) Are tar/taper the only software needed/available for backup/recovery with tapes on Linux ? d) How is the reliability vis-a-vis on Windows ? e) Any tips on compatibility (RHL hardware compatibility list just says "most scsi tape drives" supported)? TIA. - Thanks Imagine Technologies Oommen 234, Huntington Ave Boston, MA 02115 Phone (Work):(617)437-9234 (Home):(617)770-9345 email:oommen@imaginetechnologies.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 12:28:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC764A1CB for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02943; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:45:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:44:31 (IST) Received: from boston.imaginetechnologies.com (oommen@imaginetechnologies.com [207.244.122.29]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02933 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:44:27 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by boston.imaginetechnologies.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA24178 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:13:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: ILUG Chennai Subject: Apache Redirect Qn Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@imaginetechnologies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I have a qn regarding Redirect in Apache. Looks like this is possible using mod_rewrite, but the docs doesnt give a directy answer to my problem. I have a webserver now with www.companyname.com. Also I have secure content there going to https://www.companyname.com/directory/... We plan to split the homepage (insecure) contents and the secure stuff onto two separate servers and use the same Verisign cert. What we need is to have a new server have the www.companyname.com DNS entry and the Apache on that have a redirect for /diretory to oldseverIP/directory, with the Verisign ceret working properly. As Verisign cert is in the name of www.companyname.com, I dont want to use oldservernewname.company.com in the redirect, as the browser might display a warning, the SSL cert being in the name of www.companyname.com. Is this possible using mod_rewrite? If so how? 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 12:46:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1834A324 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03009; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:02:26 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:01:56 (IST) Received: from home.buttery.org (d143e8e7.dsl.flashcom.net [209.67.232.231]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02905 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:31:34 +0530 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by home.buttery.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02034; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:00:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:00:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark J. Dulcey" X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in To: Oommen Thomas Cc: ILUG Chennai , Boston Linux Unix Group Subject: Re: SCSI Tape drives on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mark@buttery.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Oommen Thomas wrote: > Do any of you have experience in using SCSI tape drives on Linux? > > a) What additional hardware is needed for the tape drive to work, if the > kernel has SCSI support and has SCSI devices already connected? The kernel also has to have SCSI tape support, which is separate from the issue of having SCSI at all. By the way, go ahead and build SCSI generic support as well; you might get a CD-R drive someday. > b) How do you go about installing/configuring the drive, assuming we have > the 'insmod st' done? There really isn't much to do. You give the drive an unique SCSI ID, plug it into your host adapter, and boot. It should show up at boot time if SCSI is built into the kernel, or when you load the SCSI modules if not. It will be device st0, unless you have another tape drive as well. > c) Are tar/taper the only software needed/available for backup/recovery > with tapes on Linux ? You can certainly do everything with those. If you want something with a fancy GUI, you can try Arkeia; there's a limited-function version (no automatic backups) that you can use for free. > d) How is the reliability vis-a-vis on Windows ? I don't have any opinion on that (specific to tape, that is). > e) Any tips on compatibility (RHL hardware compatibility list just says > "most scsi tape drives" supported)? Any SCSI tape drive should work unless you have some specific reason to believe it won't. Special functions like tape formatting (not required for most modern tape systems; the tapes come from the factory pre-formatted) may not be supported without special software that might or might not exist. -- Mark J. Dulcey mark@buttery.org Visit my house's home page: http://www.buttery.org/ Visit my home page: http://www.buttery.org/markpoly/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 12:50:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286494A019 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03055; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:08:31 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:08:01 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03047 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:07:55 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JVgj04727 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ1IHS03.818 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:37:04 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <3991B2E0.B6FCCB8B@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:37:04 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: SCSI Tape drives on Linux References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Oommen Thomas proclaimed: > a) What additional hardware is needed for the tape drive to work, if the > kernel has SCSI support and has SCSI devices already connected? You need SCSI tape and SCSI generic support built into the kernel. > b) How do you go about installing/configuring the drive, assuming we have > the 'insmod st' done? You don't need any special configuration like with fdisk and mke2fs with disk drives. All you need is support for scsi tape turned on. > c) Are tar/taper the only software needed/available for backup/recovery > with tapes on Linux ? Tons. See http://freshmeat.net/appindex/console/backup.html I personally prefer amanda. You can have a distributed back up mechanism with it. You could have a amanda server with a tape drive and amanda clients running on unices, winODS, mac etc. using the server to back up data. > d) How is the reliability vis-a-vis on Windows ? don't know. > e) Any tips on compatibility (RHL hardware compatibility list just says > "most scsi tape drives" supported)? There are two issues: the tape drive and the media. Most tape drives themselves are supported. The media support generally depends on the actual user-level softwre that you use to make backups. Thaths -- Homer: Mel Gibson is just a guy Marge, no different than me or Lenny. Marge: Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive? Homer: Hmmm, I'm not certain about Lenny ... Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 12:52:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E44A019 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03085; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:12:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:11:31 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03079 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:11:26 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79JVSA02023 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ1INY00.Q2M for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:40:46 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <3991B3BE.3EB28C0@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:40:46 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Apache Redirect Qn References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Oommen Thomas proclaimed: > I have a qn regarding Redirect in Apache. > Looks like this is possible using mod_rewrite, but the docs doesnt give a > directy answer to my problem. > > I have a webserver now with www.companyname.com. > Also I have secure content there going to > https://www.companyname.com/directory/... > > We plan to split the homepage (insecure) contents and the secure stuff > onto two separate servers and use the same Verisign cert. > > What we need is to have a new server have the www.companyname.com DNS > entry and the Apache on that have a redirect for /diretory to > oldseverIP/directory, with the Verisign ceret working properly. As > Verisign cert is in the name of www.companyname.com, I dont want to use > oldservernewname.company.com in the redirect, as the browser might display > a warning, the SSL cert being in the name of www.companyname.com. I am sorry. I don't completely understand ur (God! All that irc-ing is doing terrible things to my spelling. ;-) question. You can have both the secure and the insecure server running on the same machine www.companyname.com The insecure one serves content via http on port 80 and the secure one serves content via https on port 443. Use mod_rewrite to do the redirection to https://www.companyname.com/. Thaths -- Homer: Mel Gibson is just a guy Marge, no different than me or Lenny. Marge: Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive? Homer: Hmmm, I'm not certain about Lenny ... 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 13:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004DF4A302 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03234; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:28:49 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:28:19 (IST) Received: from boston.imaginetechnologies.com (oommen@imaginetechnologies.com [207.244.122.29]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03228 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:28:14 +0530 Received: from localhost (oommen@localhost) by boston.imaginetechnologies.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA24514 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:57:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Oommen Thomas To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Apache Redirect Qn In-Reply-To: <3991B3BE.3EB28C0@netscape.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: oommen@imaginetechnologies.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: I am sorry. I don't completely understand ur (God! All that irc-ing is doing terrible things to my spelling. ;-) question. You can have both the secure and the insecure server running on the same machine www.companyname.com The insecure one serves content via http on port 80 and the secure one serves content via https on port 443. Use mod_rewrite to do the redirection to https://www.companyname.com/. Thaths My requirement is as follows Currently I have the secure and insecure stuff on the same server and it is working fine. The latter works as http://www.companyname.com and the former as https://www.comapnyname.com/directory/... We plan to split this into two and continue to use the same Verisign cert in the name of www.companyname.com. Is it possible to have the /directory alias on new server (which will now be www.compnayname.com) point to https://oldserverIP/directory, so that everything works as before? Hope it is clear. - TIA. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 13:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02B94A15E for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03344; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:43:47 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:43:16 (IST) Received: from wfs01.wallacefloyd.com (wfs01.wallacefloyd.com [140.239.109.206]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03025 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:05:23 +0530 Received: from wallacefloyd.com (IDENT:wfrp01@wfll01.wallacefloyd.com [172.16.30.1]) by wfs01.wallacefloyd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00452; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:34:12 -0400 Sender: rpeterson@wallacefloyd.com Message-ID: <3991B234.9221F3C3@wallacefloyd.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:34:12 -0400 From: Ron Peterson X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Organization: Wallace Floyd Design Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14aa1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oommen Thomas Cc: ILUG Chennai , Boston Linux Unix Group Subject: Re: SCSI Tape drives on Linux References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rpeterson@wallacefloyd.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Oommen Thomas wrote: > > Hi, > > Do any of you have experience in using SCSI tape drives on Linux? > > a) What additional hardware is needed for the tape drive to work, if the > kernel has SCSI support and has SCSI devices already connected? > b) How do you go about installing/configuring the drive, assuming we have > the 'insmod st' done? > c) Are tar/taper the only software needed/available for backup/recovery > with tapes on Linux ? > d) How is the reliability vis-a-vis on Windows ? > e) Any tips on compatibility (RHL hardware compatibility list just says > "most scsi tape drives" supported)? I have a Sony PCBacker external DDS-4 drive (20/40GB). RH6.1. I just run a tar script w/ cron. Simple and non-proprietary. Very reliable so far (about a year old). Arkeia and BRU are a couple of commercial alternatives. I just plugged in in and refer to it via /dev/st0. No pain, no brain. Just make sure you have kernel support. I'd guess reliability would have more to do w/ the drive manufacturer than the OS. I also have an HP external DDS-3 on Netware. HP has had to replace it twice within the past couple of years (under warrantee, fortunately). The DDS-3 replaced an HP DDS-2 that burned out. Just my experience, for what it's worth. Here's my simple stupid backup script. Don't forget the --atime-preserve, otherwise you won't be able to find those old stale files that sit untouched for years at a time. You only have to forget once, then you'll be kicking yourself. Argggh. cd / # don't redirect error to log file. will be mailed to root by crond tar --atime-preserve \ --create \ --verbose \ --verbose \ --label="$HOSTNAME:`date +%Y-%m-%d`" \ --file=/dev/st0 \ home3/wfdg/shared \ home3/wfdg/web \ usr/local/pgsql/data \ 1>/var/log/backup/backup.log I'm trying to put together a PostgreSQL application in my spare time that will suck up the backup.log file each night. Then link to some web forms via PHP, so users can find files and I just need to pop in the tape. SQL doesn't support variable depth hierarchical data structures well, though. Sort of an excercise in SQL masochism, I suppose. For now, when people need something back, we just guess the date, I list the tape to a file, and see if we find what we need. -- Ron Peterson Systems Manager Wallace Floyd Design Group 273 Summer Street Boston, MA 02210 617.350.7400 tel 617.350.0051 fax rpeterson@wallacefloyd.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 13:45:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F33F4A15E for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03375; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:45:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:45:10 (IST) Received: from tarnhelm.blu.org ([216.235.254.230]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03289 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:37:50 +0530 Received: from localhost (jabr@localhost) by tarnhelm.blu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08620; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:56:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: John Abreau X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-Sender: jabr@tarnhelm To: Oommen Thomas Cc: ILUG Chennai , Boston Linux Unix Group Subject: Re: SCSI Tape drives on Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: jabr@tarnhelm.blu.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Oommen Thomas wrote: > Do any of you have experience in using SCSI tape drives on Linux? >.... > c) Are tar/taper the only software needed/available for backup/recovery > with tapes on Linux ? > d) How is the reliability vis-a-vis on Windows ? > e) Any tips on compatibility (RHL hardware compatibility list just says > "most scsi tape drives" supported)? My experience with scsi disks and tape drives on linux is basically that they just work, with no extra fuss. The kernel must be compiled with scsi support, of course. I've always included all scsi options, including "generic", when I build a kernel. The "generic" code is needed for CD burners; I'm not sure if tape drives would require that. Since "scsi tape" support is also an option, I'd guess that "generic" is unnecessary. I've used DAT drives, Exabyte drives, and DLT drives on linux with no problems. All worked beautiful, and didn't need anything extra on top of the st module and a supported scsi card. There are actually a lot of options for backup/recovery. Dump/restore are the traditional Unix backup tools, and these have been available on linux at least as far back as 1994. I hear a lot of people say nice things about Amanda, an open-source backup tool that runs on Linux, other Unixes, and NT. Veritas is a popular backup system on Solaris and NT, and I'm told they now have a Linux client as well. Then there's BLU, which I've seen advertised in Linux Journal right from the first issue in 1994. I'm sure I've barely scratched the surface here. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix ICQ#28611923 / AIM abreauj / Email jabr@blu.org --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 9 13:59:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C753C4A244 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03504; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:20:00 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:19:30 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03498 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:19:25 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e79KdVA13233 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ1LTD00.N3U for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:48:49 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <3991C3B1.DFF3145E@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:48:49 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Apache Redirect Qn References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Oommen Thomas proclaimed: > Is it possible to have the /directory alias on new server (which will > now be www.compnayname.com) point to https://oldserverIP/directory, so > that everything works as before? So what you are saying is that when someone visits https://www.companyname.com/directory, they get taken to https://oldserverIP/directory, right? I think there might be a problem. You see mod_rewrite is about dynamically rewrite URLs based on some conditions. The fact here is that companyname.com and oldserverIP are two seperate machines. When a user goes to https://www.companynname.com/directory, the mod_rewrite rule in apache creates a new URL https://oldserverIP/directory It DOES NOT fetch the contents of this URL and serve it as https://www.companyname.com/directory. It merely sends back a directive to the browser asking it to fetch the contents from https://oldserverIP/directory. When the browser fetches https://oldserverIP/directory, it initiates a public key exchange wuth the server. This is where the server certificate comes into play. The browser will detect that the certificate that the server presents is for www.companyname.com while the name of the server seems to be oldserverIP. It will pop an alert box asking the user what to do. This, in many case, is bad User Experience. Thaths -- Homer: Mel Gibson is just a guy Marge, no different than me or Lenny. Marge: Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive? Homer: Hmmm, I'm not certain about Lenny ... Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 10 02:01:23 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E254A13C for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06255; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:08:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:07:41 (IST) Received: from tower.ti.com (tower.ti.com [192.94.94.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06249 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:07:36 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by tower.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7A8aSr08688 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:36:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05961 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:36:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05934 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:36:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id QSZY89PT; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:06:23 +0530 Message-ID: <39926977.A864597A@ti.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:06:07 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilug chennai Subject: Let us make Unix not suck! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc A lengthy article but worth reading. http://www.helixcode.com/~miguel/bongo-bong.html -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 10 07:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA2E4A2EB for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07885; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:09:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:09:01 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07879 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:08:58 +0530 Received: from bigfoot.com ([203.199.229.23]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01509 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:16:44 +0530 (IST) Sender: zameer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <3992B05C.B32D81B7@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:08:36 +0530 From: Zameer Ahmed Organization: Lateral Software Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc Subject: Installfest Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello everyone I tried seraching for the install fest report on the Chennai LUG. However I was unable to find. Can any of you send me the link please. regards Zameer Ahmed -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being. Malcolm X, NYC, 20 Dec. 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 10 09:12:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DB74A238 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08638; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:23:56 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:23:25 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08629 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:23:17 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7AFlFj14925 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ32RT00.2GD for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:52:41 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:52:41 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I'd typed in the wrong address for iluc. Thaths -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Registering Linux India Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:35:23 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation To: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org, kd@blr.vsnl.net.in,gen-list@luga.org, ctar@usa.net, ilug-bangalore@egroups.com,achitnis@exocore.com, ilug-cal@ilug-cal.org,indradg@cal.vsnl.net.in, ilug-c@aero.iitm.ernet.in,linux-delhi@lists.linux-india.org, raju@linux-delhi.org,fred@vsnl.com, ds_oberoi@hotpop.com, ilughyd@egroups.com,ilug-cochin@egroups.com, gemsbond007@angelfire.com,lug@ilug-bom.org.in, sagarg@bol.net.in, kishore_s@usa.net,nagendra@letterbox.com, spk@v9.com, tarique@nagpur.dot.net.in,plug-info@plug.org.in, tux@river-valley.com,anand.bisen@bharat.net, linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org Hi, It has been more than 2 years [1] since the Linux India mailing list was started. A lot has changed in this time. Several regional Indian Linux Users Groups (ILUGs) have sprung up. An issue of Linux Magazine even went as far as saying that India was third or fourth, world-wide, in terms of number of LUGs! Linux India has been operating so far as a group of, to borrow a phrase, "communicating individuals". The time has come to formalize Linux India as some sort of organization. That is why we, the sort of "founding communicating individuals" of Linux India are writing to you [2]. Over the coming month we plan to hold a discussion about how Linux India can be formalized, what it stands for, and what its interaction with the various ILUGs should be. To ensure equal representation and high signal to nice ratio we have decided to hold these discussions in a private, closed mailing list. Could each ILUG please discuss this in your mailing lists and nominate ONE person who will represent your ILUG in this Linux India formalization mailing list. Please email the email address of your ILUG's representative to thaths@lists.linux-india.org before Aug 12, 2000. We would like the mailing list to begin deliberations by Aug 15, a day of special significance to India. As for the "founding communicating individuals" - KD has volunteered to spearhead the legal efforts to register Linux India. Arun Sharma and Thaths will also participate in the discussions. The three of us will, generally, abstain from voting on ballots. We will cast our votes in case there is a deadlock. Thanks. Sincerely, Arun Sharma KD Thaths [1] The actual date of formation of LI are lost in the mists of time. [2] We are sending this email, as far as possible, to the individual ILUG mailing list wherever possible. We are emailing the coordinators listed in the www.linux-india.org site for the ILUGs which don' have a listed mailing list. -- Homer: Mel Gibson is just a guy Marge, no different than me or Lenny. Marge: Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive? Homer: Hmmm, I'm not certain about Lenny ... 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 10 12:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8554A194 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10941; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:19:35 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:19:03 (IST) Received: from rmx602-mta.mail.com (rmx602-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.51]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10920 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:18:57 +0530 Received: from web443-mc.mail.com (web443-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.156]) by rmx602-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25238 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <381127088.965936923868.JavaMail.root@web443-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: What up with the webpage... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.209.72 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Guys! How are you doing... I just visited ilugc webpage and there seems to be no change. Whats up??? Bye Deivanayak ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 10 12:59:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268004A2AB for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10944; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:19:42 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:19:11 (IST) Received: from rmx602-mta.mail.com (rmx602-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.51]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10921 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:18:57 +0530 Received: from web135-mc.mail.com (web135-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.161]) by rmx602-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25237 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380652349.965936923875.JavaMail.root@web135-mc.mail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Deivanayak Balakrishnan To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: What up with the webpage... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 132.170.209.72 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: dnayak@india.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi Guys! How are you doing... I just visited ilugc webpage and there seems to be no change. Whats up??? Bye Deivanayak ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 05:01:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95C14A470 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 05:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23919; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:07:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:07:09 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23913 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:07:03 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13ND78-0001QZ-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:36:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:36:38 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Meeting for August? Message-ID: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi guys, I have been only reading the archives off thaths' machine, or calling up other ilugc members and suchlike to keep myself updated,..so if this has already been discussed, apologies.. 1] When is the meeting for the month of August? I, for one will be leaving for Madurai on Thursday, August 17th and returning only Sunday Morning. Therefore *I* would prefer Sunday evening, instead of Saturday..but of course, public demand shall prevail. 2] Whats on the agenda? I have some personal suggestions/requests to make: a) Dr.Sriram's much-awaited sendmail talks? b) some guy on ilug-bom said something about thaths sending some mail to all the admin guys...about potato cds...and archan also said something about it and it required that people discuss it, in the meet -- will prabhu/archan/whoever look into this? (my email setup is very broken, and I lost a buncha emails, too...) c) I just saw some mail from thaths about formalising Linux-India and wanted suggestions/recommendations/guidelines/advice/blah from all LUG people..etc... so we need to discuss this point, as well. d) there was a post from udhay shankar in bangalore, to linux-india..about "cypherpunks" .. this is an international cryptography thingie... a club or group where people discuss more about the political aspects, and also a bit about the technical aspects of cryptography itself. this udhay wants to start (the first in india?) a chapter in bangalore..and solicited help/volunteers/blah blah...I liked the concept and some searching on the WWW provided interesting results.... now, a) do we need/want/require a chapter in madras at all? b) are there enough people interested? c) would we be willing to engage in a partnership with the bangalore guys and be members or somesuch there -- of course, there's no use, because we cant attend meetings... duh ... maybe this could be discussed in the next meeting. e) the latest CHIP magazine had helix gnome on it, IIRC, and helix is ultra cool...maybe someone should arrange for the cd(s), machine(s) and arrange for a demo.... (only a suggestion) in the meantime, AFAIK, openbsd 2.7, freebsd 4.1 came out...if someone had cds..we could demo them maybe. Arvind -- you had wanted to demo 2.6, nicht? offtopic: congrats to zameer for becoming one year wiser and older, and thanks in advance for the massive birthday surprise treat that he has planned and kept so secretly, from us, for all of us *wink* cheers -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 06:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF854A30E for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24123; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:53:30 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:53:00 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA24115 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:52:58 +0530 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:52:58 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: Meeting for August? In-Reply-To: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Ravikant K. Rao wrote: > Hi guys, > 1] When is the meeting for the month of August? I, for one will be > leaving for Madurai on Thursday, August 17th and returning only Sunday > Morning. Therefore *I* would prefer Sunday evening, instead of > Saturday..but of course, public demand shall prevail. i am given to understand that we will meet on 19th; prabhu is not around but should be back in a couple of days to make the announcement. sunday the 20th is ok with me too, but public demand shall prevail. > 2] Whats on the agenda? I have some personal suggestions/requests > to make: > a) Dr.Sriram's much-awaited sendmail talks? it is interesting to note that my sendmail talks are doing time travel - from having been real good (past tense) to much-awaited (future?). my own assessment is that the talks were so-so, mainly because i know a fair deal more about sendmail now than i did then; i even went out and bought the fat (1000 pages approx) sendmail reference book. what i have on offer now is about radius; i have prepared for it. here is a quick preview. what is radius? i dont use it. why dont you talk about something that i use? well, if you use a dial up connection to your isp, chances are you are using radius. radius stands for remote authentication dial in user service and is used by most (all?) isp's for authentication and accounting on dial up ppp connections. i will talk about how radius works, pap and chap authentication (will have some uncomfortable things to say for those who think chap is great) and what is presently happening with radius. about an hour, i guess. if you are thinking of becoming an isp, this talk might be quite useful. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 07:57:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5BA4A341 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24710; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:07:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:07:05 (IST) Received: from eth.net (ddsl.net [202.9.145.10] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24703 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:07:01 +0530 Received: from eth.net ([10.2.1.41]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:01:56 +0530 Received: from geocities.com ([202.9.149.152]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:03:55 +0530 Sender: Ashwin@aero.iitm.ernet.in Message-ID: <39940F2F.1A9CB08E@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:05:27 +0530 From: Ashwin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? References: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ashwind@geocities.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" wrote: > e) the latest CHIP magazine had helix gnome on it, IIRC, and helix > is ultra cool...maybe someone should arrange for the cd(s), machine(s) and > arrange for a demo.... (only a suggestion) > > Helix is ultra cool - then I dont know much about using it!! I spent the better part of sunday (because I did'nt know I had to use --force to install - duhhh newbie) installing it and all I saw new was sawfish wm. I love Ice tiny as it is - so I sw. back to it. What am I missing here, what is helix's USP? Enlighten please - I would love some toys to try out for this weekend. Ashwin --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 08:08:31 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456084A341 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24776; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:18:54 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:18:23 (IST) Received: from garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (ae98016@garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.17]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24768 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:18:22 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98016@localhost) by garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04160 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:18:21 +0530 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:18:20 +0530 (IST) From: A Midhun Kumar To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? In-Reply-To: <39940F2F.1A9CB08E@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98016@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello everybody, I am very much awaiting lectures in our meets. It has been a very long time that some serious lectures had been given ( No offence intended ). I have no problem if meet is decided to be on sunday by junta. Can any one give a lecture on cryptography and security issues ? With love, Midhun. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 09:21:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4B94A409 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25126; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:28:31 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:28:01 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25120 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:27:50 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7BFlSA08041 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZ4XMQ03.94V for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:56:50 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39942242.BD153186@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:56:50 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? References: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" proclaimed: > b) some guy on ilug-bom said something about thaths sending some > mail to all the admin guys...about potato cds...and archan also > said something about it and it required that people discuss it, in > the meet -- will prabhu/archan/whoever look into this? I asked people to let me know if they needed potato CDs. > (my email > setup is very broken, and I lost a buncha emails, too...) That will teach you to not mess with your computer. ;-) > c) I just saw some mail from thaths about formalising Linux-India and > wanted suggestions/recommendations/guidelines/advice/blah from all LUG > people..etc... so we need to discuss this point, as well. I wanted each ILUG to nominate ONE person to a commiitee (sp?) which will work on formalizing LI. Please get back to me with a name and email address in the next 24 hours. Thaths -- Homer: Mel Gibson is just a guy Marge, no different than me or Lenny. Marge: Were you or Lenny ever named Sexiest Man Alive? Homer: Hmmm, I'm not certain about Lenny ... Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 10:57:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4A34A2B5 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25516; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:04:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:03:39 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25510 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:03:35 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NIgV-00025L-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:33:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:33:30 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? Message-ID: <20000811103330.B7768@symonds.net> References: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> <39942242.BD153186@netscape.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39942242.BD153186@netscape.com>; from thaths@netscape.com on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:56:50AM -0700 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hey, I hate making one-line additions, but anyway, here goes.. On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:56:50AM -0700, Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > I asked people to let me know if they needed potato CDs. Actually, Yes. I imagine we at ilugc would want atleast one, and people here could replicate as required. > That will teach you to not mess with your computer. ;-) Thats taking all the fun out of life :p > I wanted each ILUG to nominate ONE person to a commiitee (sp?) which will I suppose the "sp?" was meant to be spelling, in which case, I guess it is "committee" .. or if it meant "special" .. I don't know. > work on formalizing LI. Please get back to me with a name and email > address in the next 24 hours. I suppose Prabhu's already responded to that. In any case, for all such administrative stuff, I guess its Prabhu || the webmaster (!) Au Revoir -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 11:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE8849F1E for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25462; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:56:25 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:55:54 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25454 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:55:50 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NIYv-00024Y-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:25:41 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? Message-ID: <20000811102541.A7768@symonds.net> References: <39940F2F.1A9CB08E@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ae98016@aero.iitm.ernet.in on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:18:20PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello: On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:18:20PM +0530, A Midhun Kumar wrote: > I am very much awaiting lectures in our meets. It has been a very long > time that some serious lectures had been given ( No offence intended ). Serious lectures? Long time? Um, *shrug* We had talks on reiserfs,filesystems,gpg/pgp,cvs,linux-security..which were *all* serious enough, imho. > I have no problem if meet is decided to be on sunday by junta. Yay, my case gets stronger and stronger. :) > Can any one give a lecture on cryptography and security issues ? For starters, download all the free chapters up for grabs, from the handbook of applied cryptography, any beginner's startup kit, at -> http://cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/ <- Cheerio, -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 11 11:38:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25724A48B for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25741; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:42:36 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:42:05 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25730 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:42:02 +0530 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:42:02 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc (this is a longish article; perhaps, someone can post it on to linux india? it may be of interest to a wider audience; i will let the linux india subscribers on ilugc decide) ----------------------------------------------- routing through firewalls author: p. sriram, iit madras here is a complete routing solution for the single firewall setup. though i prepared this as a solution for a problem posed by anna university, this may be of interest to many users in india and hence i am posting it here. this can even be read for entertainement! i have basically presented the routing configuration to use where a leased line connects a lan/wan (intranet) to the internet and a two-ethernet card firewall sits at the intranet/internet interface. the intranet is assumed to be full of hosts with reserved/private ip addresses and a few hosts that have valid internet ip addresses. the problem is how to set up routing so things work as desired. the firewall is a ip-forwarding/filtering type. there are excellent linux how-to's that address the problem, but some aspects are not covered fully in the how-to's. hence, i write this. i have some footnotes and comments in the end which may be read before the solution is used. i would suggest reading through the firewall howto for more details on the use of ipfwadm or ipchains (or firewalls in general). actually, as routing problems go, this one is rather elementary (can assign as home work, but not good enough to be on an exam). disclaimer: ---------- this is free advice. and remember, all my degrees are in aerospace engineering and that is what i teach for a living. so, any claims about my competence in computer networking will not be admissible in a court of law under the indian evidence act. many people say that advice is worth only what you pay for it. that is a warped western idea, like the warped western phrase 'there is no free lunch'; go to tirupati and you can get free lunch - annadaanam. (i urge you to read up on how the then popular annadaanam practice was eliminated during the colonial raj). i am not venkatachalapathy, so i dont give free lunches; but my advice is free indian advice of the type found in the vedas and the gita. it is good, sound, correct and it works; and free (hey, that sounds like linux!). however, you cant sue me or iit madras if you get lung cancer/bubonic plague/excessive pimples because you used my advice. the specific setting: ------------------ using annauniv example, the isp assigned 'internet valid' ip addresses are 202.54.64.96 to 111; so the netmask for the subnet is 255.255.255.240 or /28; this / notation is so compact that i will use it from here on. your linux box may or may not support this type of notation in the setup commands; if it does not, you will have replace the /28 (or whatever) with 'netmask 255.255.255.240' (or whatever). the anna univ 'valid' subnet can be thus denoted as 202.54.64.96/28. the firewall host is connected to the router - and in fact is the only host connected to the router. in a sense, the presence of internet on the anna univ campus is limited to that small segment of the ethernet network (cables/hubs whatever) that connects the router to the firewall. the firewall uses an ip of 202.54.64.101 on eth0 (which connects to the router) and 10.1.1.1 on eth1; eth1 connects to the campus network (intranet). the campus network uses private 10.x ip numbers for all the hosts. the single firewall sits between the campus network and the internet. now, it is proposed to add a new host in the intranet with an ip address of 10.1.1.30; this host needs to be visible on the internet with an ip address of 202.54.64.102. there is also another host 10.1.1.100 which is an intranet only host (no direct access to the internet; it accesses internet through the firewall). how to do routing for this setup? the solution ----------- i will start with the router and work my way into the network. i dont know the address given to the ethernet interface of the router, so i will assume it is 202.54.64.97; this is the conventionally used address; the lowest, 96, is reserved for the network, and the highest, 111, is reserved for the subnet broadcast address; the lowest address available, 97, is for the router/gateway, leaving the 13 addresses (202.54.64.98 through 110) available for other hosts in the intranet which need a direct connection to the internet. the firewall uses 202.54.64.101, leaving 12 more internet valid ip addresses. though my solution is for 202.54.64.102, it obviously applies for any of these 12. (read my important footnote regarding the single firewall configuration in the indian context) (1) router --------- default route points to the serial interface 202.54.64.101/32 points to the ethernet interface 202.54.64.102/28 points to 202.54.64.101 (router programming depends on vendor and model; consult router manual to figure out how to make the entries as above. the second entry is a host route and the third entry is a gateway route to a subnet) without the firewall, the standard routing on the router would be default points to the serial interface 202.54.64.96/28 points to the ethernet interface (2)firewall ---------- (first setup the two ethernet cards) ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.101/28 ifconfig eth1 10.1.1.1/x (appropriate netmask to be added depending on how large the 10.x local domain is; i will just show this with an x; i am assuming the intranet is sized for at least 256 addresses so x is 24 or lower) (and now, the routing) ip address of router points to eth0 device 202.54.64.96/28 points to eth1 device 10.1.1.1/x points to eth1 device default route points to ip address of router (202.54.64.97 assumed) the following commands will accomplish this routing; some of these may have been automatically added by the system during installation. route add -host 202.54.64.97 dev eth0 route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth1 route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth1 route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 note that since both 202.x and 10.x are present on the intranet, the interface connecting to the intranet (eth1) has a routing entry for both. the internet is accessed through the router on eth0 and the other two routing entries set this up. (and finally, the firewalling) the firewall will need to have ip forwarding enabled. suitable ipfwadm or ipchains rules will have to be put in place to control access as per polciy. 10.x intranet hosts can gain access to internet through a suitable masquerading rule. in fact, a broad rule can be used to allow all hosts on the 10.x intranet to completely access internet (all these accesses will appear to come from the firewall internet ip 202.54.64.101). however, this access will be one-way, meaning, users in the intranet can access the internet, but not vice-versa; connections can be made from the intranet to the internet, but not vice-versa (though data can flow in both directions). in users language, this will mean one can do web browsing, but not web hosting; one can send mail out directly but not receive. one can ftp - well, not actually. ftp needs two connections, one opened by the server and one by the client. clients in the internet cannot use an intranet ftp server. even clients in the intranet cannot use an internet ftp server since the server cannot open up the connection to the client. only if the ftp client and ftp server support the passive feature can ftp work through the firewall. consult the firewall howto which has a good explanation of how to set up ipfwadm or ipchains; the howto also has pointers to other documentation on ipfwadm and ipchains. and finally, i present the last step of the routing, the intranet hosts. (3) intranet hosts ---------------- (a) pure intranet hosts with 10.x addresses only; the routing for these should have 10.x pointing to eth0; the address for the example host is 10.1.1.100. the routing should have 202.54.64.96/28 pointing to eth0 default pointing to 10.1.1.1, the internal interface of the firewall the commands to do this are ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.100/x route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 route add default gateway 10.1.1.1 however, this leaves the router inaccessible since it is beyond the firewall and not on the intranet. same is true of the external interface 202.54.64.101 on the firewall. to be able to access the router from this host, a host route has to be added. route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 of course, access to the router from this intranet host will be controlled by the firewalling rules. a similar host route has to be added if one wants to access the firewall external interface (route add -host 202.54.64.101 gateway 10.1.1.1); remember, the firewall machine itself can be conveniently accessed using the 10.1.1.1 address. access to the external interface may be needed, for example, for some mail purposes. as an alternate arrangement, a 10.x address can be assigned to each of the internet hosts on the intranet (not only the firewall), making them visible on the intranet directly. this will need ip aliasing support on all the internet hosts (the hosts with the 202 series ip addresses). in that case, the first route shown above (10.x pointing to eth0) will open up this access and all the routing entries except the default entry become superfluous. i believe this is a better arrangement since generic 10.x hosts need not know anything about the existence of the 202 hosts at all. in a sense, the presence and access to internet is transparent to users on 10.x machines. they need not know anything about routing and simply use the appropriate 10.x gateway(s) to access internet services. the corresponding routing for the internet hosts is shown at the bottom of the next section. (b) internet hosts on the intranet i.e., hosts with 202 series ip addresses; example, 202.54.64.102; eth0 can be configured with this ip address. the routing is as follows. 10.x pointing to eth0 202.54.64.96/28 pointing to eth0 202.54.64.97 pointing to 10.1.1.1 default pointing to 202.54.64.97 the commands to do this are ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.102/28 route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 as in case 3-a, the external interface of the firewall is not accesible directly at this stage. if this access is needed, one needs to add a route for that pointing to the internal interface of the firewall as was done in case 3-2 (route add -host 202.54.64.101 gateway 10.1.1.1). the above is applicable if the internet hosts on the intranet are not given the local 10.x series addresses through aliasing. if one chooses the alternate arrangement of giving a 10.x address also to these hosts, we have the following. ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.102/28 ifconfig eth0:0 10.1.1.30/x route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0:0 route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 if, for some reason, it is preferred to give 10.1.1.30 as the eth0 address and 202.54.64.102 as the additional (aliased) address eth0:0, eth0 and eth0:0 will have to be interchanged in the above to get ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.30/x ifconfig eth0:0 202.54.64.102/28 route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0:0 route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 that completes the solution; there are other ways of acheiving this, but this one will work. footnote: (1) this type of single point firewalling is generally not necessary in the indian context. since the router at the vsnl end will only route packets to the 202.54.64.96/28 subnet (these being the only 'valid' internet ip addresses), the 10.x hosts are absolutely safe from direct attack from the internet. since only 202.54.64.96/28 hosts are visible on the internet, one of the hosts in this set will have to be broken into before any of the 10.x hosts can be attacked. the only thing gained by putting two ethernet cards on 202.54.64.101 is that this ONE host (not just any one of the 202.54.64.96/28 subnet) will have to be broken into before any other host can be attacked. one could argue that maintaining one secure host is easier than maintaining 13; however, with a reasonably fast leased link, a simple pc as the single firewall may result in a bottleneck; this can lead to inability to utilize the bandwidth available on the leased line. a dedicated firewall box or atleast, a linux router type box may be in order. however, this type of firewalling is usually called for only if all (or many) of the hosts behind the firewall have externally visible ip addresses since it can protect weakly configured hosts (say, user configured/administered windows type machines). for example, if annauniv had the address space of 202.54.64.x/24 (256 ip addresses) or lower than /24 - say /23 or /22 or whatever - (more than 256 ip addresses), they could assign 202.54.whatever type ip addresses to ALL hosts on their campus network. then, ALL these hosts would be directly on the internet and would be fair game for direct attack from anywhere in the world. this is a typical corporate setup in the west and hence the need for double ethernet card firewall at the point(s) of entry. the limited availability of ip addresses in india (and the world in general, i suppose) means that even 2mbps leased line customers get far fewer addresses than the the number of machines they have; this leads to a standard indian setup of intranets based entirely on reserved ips (and thus automatically isolated from the internet) and only a relative handful of the hosts on the intranet having direct access to the internet. the western type firewall is probably inappropriate for use in this type of situation. one can reasonably assume that the limited 'valid' ip addresses would be in demand and would only be dished out only to well managed/configured/administered server class machines, which would be reasonably difficult to break into (unlike a user administered windows type machine). moral of this story: if you want to market this type of firewall solution in india, and if your potential client is wise enough to seek my counsel (!), your price be real cheap or there goes your sale. (2) introduction to firewalls: there are basically two types of firewalls - the forwarding/filtering type and the proxying type. the forwarding/filtering type has two ethernet cards, one connected to the internet and the second to the intranet. the first is the outside of the firewall and the second, the inside. ipforwarding is enabled on the firewall selectively to control what traffic can get through. ipfw, ipfwadm and ipchains are software packages that can be used to provide this control function. in the proxy type firewall, the intranet hosts are blocked from the internet (and vice versa) by the router connecting the network to internet; select hosts have access to the internet and these serve as proxies for the others. i.e., an intranet host needing an internet service forwards the request to an internet enabled host; this host then performs the service and returns the results to the originating host. the squid web proxy is a well known example for this type of transaction. a browser makes a request to the squid proxy, which fetches the information from the internet and presents the resulting web pages to the browser. in general, one proxy program is required for each of the services that needs to be provided. the socks package can be used to get around this problem of one program for each service. it is a generic package and can be used to proxy multiple services; it basically passes along a generic request for service that it receives but with itself as the requester; the returned results are passed back appropriately. with the proxy approach, the user application has to be redirected to obtain service from the appropriate proxy server and not directly. in a browser, this may simply mean turning on an option to use a proxy and entering the proxy address. however, for most other applications, a recompile may be called for, especially if the service is through socks (this is known as sockifying an application). for windows users, there is the well known trumpet winsock package which provides the socks functionality. there is also another tool that is useful - the tis fwtk (firewall tool kit). this is a generic proxying type package and provides good control over what services are provided through the proxy and to whom. read the firewall howto for further information. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Aug 12 03:42:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B394A05D for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27434; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:32:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:32:07 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27428 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:31:56 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04340 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:37:04 +0530 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:37:04 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc i think this is the longest mail i ever get from ilugc. Excellent howto by Dr. Sriram. Thanks a lot. ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Aug 12 04:14:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1E34A03B for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27595; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:09 (IST) Received: from finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.50]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27589 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:08:07 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98019@localhost) by finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01500 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:10:03 +0530 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:10:03 +0530 (IST) From: Raj Kiran Grandhi To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Audio driver In-Reply-To: <000d01bffe9e$5804ca20$6501a8c0@ffi.co.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Can anyone tell me where i can get a driver for Avance Logic ALS4000 sound card? (Not the OSS unless i can also get a crack for it:-) -- Raj Kiran Grandhi ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Aug 12 23:45:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2DD4A0FC for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29934; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:34:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:34:21 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29928 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:34:19 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 739 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:28:42 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NqvF-0000YA-00 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:37:01 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:37:01 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Audio driver In-Reply-To: References: <000d01bffe9e$5804ca20$6501a8c0@ffi.co.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14742.15088.558777.514670@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Raj" == Raj Kiran Grandhi writes: Raj> Hi, Can anyone tell me where i can get a driver for Avance Raj> Logic ALS4000 sound card? (Not the OSS unless i can also get Raj> a crack for it:-) Try at www.opensound.com. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 00:02:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAAC4A01B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30034; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:06:23 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:05:53 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30028 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:05:50 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1042 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:00:13 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NrPW-0000ZV-00 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:08:18 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:08:18 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? In-Reply-To: <20000811102541.A7768@symonds.net> References: <39940F2F.1A9CB08E@geocities.com> <20000811102541.A7768@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14742.16354.957696.244457@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ravikant" == Ravikant K Rao writes: >> I am very much awaiting lectures in our meets. It has been a >> very long time that some serious lectures had been given ( No >> offence intended ). Ravikant> Serious lectures? Long time? Um, *shrug* We had talks Ravikant> on Ravikant> reiserfs,filesystems,gpg/pgp,cvs,linux-security..which Ravikant> were *all* serious enough, imho. Agreed. Maybe Midhun slept thru some of them? ;-) >> Can any one give a lecture on cryptography and security issues >> ? Ravikant> For starters, download all the free chapters up for Ravikant> grabs, from the handbook of applied cryptography, any Ravikant> beginner's startup kit, at -> http://cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/ <- Also visit http://www.ibm.com/developer/security/ prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 00:05:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03DE4A01B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29986; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:55:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:54:31 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29978 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:54:29 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1282 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:48:53 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NrEg-0000Yi-00 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:57:06 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:57:06 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? In-Reply-To: References: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14742.15894.253001.16886@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "DPS" == Dr. P Sriram writes: DPS> i am given to understand that we will meet on 19th; prabhu is DPS> not around but should be back in a couple of days to make the DPS> announcement. sunday the 20th is ok with me too, but public DPS> demand shall prevail. I'm back! Was out of town (away from email etc.) for a couple of days on (ahem!) official business. Yes, Saturday the 19th of Aug. should be fine. >> 2] Whats on the agenda? I have some personal >> suggestions/requests to make: a) Dr.Sriram's much-awaited >> sendmail talks? DPS> what is radius? i dont use it. why dont you talk about DPS> something that i use? Well, you all heard it. Dr. Sriram will talk on RADIUS, maybe RAID? Since ilugc's 24 hrs are up I guess some one has volunteered (I mean volunteered themselves - proxying is not allowed :). So who is it? prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 00:28:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C13F4A0BA for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30137; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:37:06 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:36:35 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30129 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:36:32 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11951 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:41:33 +0530 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:41:33 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Is the date for next meet is fixed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Is the date for next ILUGC meeting is fixed? is it 19th aug (sat) or 20th aug (sun)? ** If it is on 19th then I am planning to show the demo of our work going on at AU-KBC - "Machine Translation of Tamil to Hindi", as i told this to prabhu in the last ILUGC meet. It is basically a translation engine which will translate the Tamil text to Hindi (You can't expect 100% sentence structure). We are using CDAC-GIST terminal to view I/O of tamil and Hindi. I hope there won't be any problem in bringing the server and gist terminal, at IITM gate. The entire code is written in perl under RHL It is also possible to show the demo of following tamil software under linux - if you people want: ** Demo of AKARAMTeX editor under RHL ** Demo of consoleTamil-0.4 to view tamil (TSCII coding) under text-console. (written by Mr.Sivaraj) ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 01:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87F84A021 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30238; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:57:59 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:57:28 (IST) Received: from coredump (dail.pppmad.vsnl.net.in [203.197.136.3] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30231 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:57:23 +0530 Received: by coredump (Postfix, from userid 500) id C5281BEE2; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:47:53 +0530 (IST) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:47:53 +0530 From: G Gautam To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: [OFFTOPIC] OpenBSD installation problem Message-ID: <20000813124753.A390@vsnl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i Sender: g@coredump.localdomain X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gautamg@md4.vsnl.net.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Sorry for this offtopic post. I got no replies in bsd-india. So I'm trying my luck here. I am trying to install OpenBSD. I have gone past the disk initialisation stage and created / and swap. It asks for the source and I said cdrom. cd0 is the only device offered. I say yes and I get a pciide piomode 0x04 error. I tried the primary/secondary master/slave combinations. Nothing works. Needless to say, the drive( 40x Acer ) is not a problem in Linux and Windows. The cd is not corrupt too. Any suggestions? Thanks, Gautam --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 02:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D204A0D7 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30214; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:52:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:51:32 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30206 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:51:29 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 686 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:45:43 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13Ns7W-0000bt-00 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:53:46 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:53:45 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Is the date for next meet is fixed? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14742.19338.515169.543413@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "MKS" == M K Saravanan writes: MKS> Is the date for next ILUGC meeting is fixed? is it 19th aug MKS> (sat) or 20th aug (sun)? Yes, I guess it is going to be the 19th of August. I had just announced this a while ago. MKS> ** If it is on 19th then I am planning to show the demo of MKS> our work going on at AU-KBC - "Machine Translation of Tamil MKS> to Hindi", as i told this to prabhu in the last ILUGC meet. MKS> It is also possible to show the demo of following tamil MKS> software under linux - if you people want: MKS> ** Demo of AKARAMTeX editor under RHL MKS> ** Demo of consoleTamil-0.4 to view tamil (TSCII coding) MKS> under text-console. (written by Mr.Sivaraj) Please *do* demo this stuff. This will be an extremely informative meeting. :) I dont think it should be a problem bringing in computers. I think you would have to get a pass at the IN gate stating that you have brought a set of things in for a demo. While leaving you will have to give this slip to the guards at the OUT gate. Could Prof. Sriram confirm if this is correct? thanks, prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 05:22:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EF14A10E for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30888; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:19:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:18:49 (IST) Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30877 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:18:28 +0530 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (202.9.147.55) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 11:48:15 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39968E9B.1E3E341A@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:33:39 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: (GOOD NEWS) What up with the webpage... References: <381127088.965936923868.JavaMail.root@web443-mc.mail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sesha_sai_iyengar@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Deivanayak Balakrishnan wrote: > Hi Guys! > > How are you doing... > Fine! > > I just visited ilugc webpage and there seems to be no change. Whats up??? > As was in your case, we didn't have access to the chennailug.org for uploading. I *think* we may soon be able to get an FTP access to it. I received the reply from Mr. Asokan. He has asked me to visit the focusit office. As of now the pages live at : http://thunder.prohosting.com/~sur2000 Another imp. thing is that I *may* not be able to make it to the meet this time due to my sucking college (thats actually -> lack of ATTENDANCE) Will someone be able to prepare the minutes this time? -Suraj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 05:28:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D714A098 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30925; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:25:50 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:25:20 (IST) Received: from smtp2.mail.yahoo.com (smtp2.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30919 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:25:16 +0530 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (202.9.147.55) by smtp2.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 11:55:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3996903C.F16CBECD@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:40:36 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Meeting for August? References: <20000811043638.A5417@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sesha_sai_iyengar@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Hey Hey! > 1] When is the meeting for the month of August? I, for one will be > leaving for Madurai on Thursday, August 17th and returning only Sunday > Morning. Therefore *I* would prefer Sunday evening, instead of > Saturday..but of course, public demand shall prevail. > Happy man! /me too will not be able to attend the meet on sat. I /we (Ravi & I) will be greatly pleased if the meet is on the Sun than Sat. > e) the latest CHIP magazine had helix gnome on it, IIRC, and helix > is ultra cool...maybe someone should arrange for the cd(s), machine(s) and > arrange for a demo.... (only a suggestion) > Demo using alien -> deb and then an install. I'm pretty afraid to do this. I did an alien -d gimp_blah.rpm and ended up screwing gimp. Then had to manually remove files. I'm afraid to do this for gnome. so ... a demo on installing gnome1.2 on deb will be welcome. -suraj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 05:30:18 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F6D4A0C2 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 05:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30970; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:36:21 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:35:51 (IST) Received: from smtp1.mail.yahoo.com (smtp1.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30963 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:35:47 +0530 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (202.9.147.55) by smtp1.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 12:05:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <399692A6.DF9CF5F5@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:50:54 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Is the date ... (DEMO on Tamilinux) References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sesha_sai_iyengar@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Is the date for next ILUGC meeting is fixed? > > is it 19th aug (sat) or 20th aug (sun)? > Thats exactly what /me too is asking! > > ** If it is on 19th then I am planning to show the demo of our work going > on at AU-KBC - "Machine Translation of Tamil to Hindi", as i told this to > prabhu in the last ILUGC meet. It is basically a translation engine which > will translate the Tamil text to Hindi (You can't expect 100% sentence > structure). We are using CDAC-GIST terminal to view I/O of tamil and > Hindi. I hope there won't be any problem in bringing the server and gist > terminal, at IITM gate. The entire code is written in perl under RHL > > It is also possible to show the demo of following tamil software under > linux - if you people want: > > ** Demo of AKARAMTeX editor under RHL > > ** Demo of consoleTamil-0.4 to view tamil (TSCII coding) under > text-console. (written by Mr.Sivaraj) > Your prev demo was great. I'm willing to work on the GNOME project. I give a 1000% welcome for this demo. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 11:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539DF4A03B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31811; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:03:07 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:02:36 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31804 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:02:32 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13O1cD-0007kB-00; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:32:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:32:05 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem with pine Message-ID: <20000813103205.A29631@symonds.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu on Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:48:57PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:48:57PM +0530, M K Saravanan wrote: > In PINE i have set my URL viewer as /usr/bin/netscape. But when i am Simpler is to use lynx or w3m,...but since you want netscape... > reading mail, if i press enter over an URL, i am able to see that page on > netscape. but the pine screen is turning to blank. once i close the > netscape window or press ctrl+C, pine is coming to the normal mode. How Try Changing the entry to "/usr/bin/netscape &" -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 12:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B504A03B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31685; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:44:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:44:09 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31679 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:44:06 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12263 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:48:57 +0530 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:48:57 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: problem with pine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc In PINE i have set my URL viewer as /usr/bin/netscape. But when i am reading mail, if i press enter over an URL, i am able to see that page on netscape. but the pine screen is turning to blank. once i close the netscape window or press ctrl+C, pine is coming to the normal mode. How to solve this? i.e. without closing the netscape window, is there any way to continue reading mail in PINE. ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 12:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950424A03B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31406; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:53:23 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:52:52 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31399 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:52:50 +0530 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:52:50 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: bringing equipment into iit campus for demo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, (in particular, mk saravanan); bringing equipment into iit is not a problem - only taking it out will be :-). seriously, all one has to do is to show the equipment to the security at the gate and inform them that the equipment is for a demo and is to be taken back. they will then give a slip (the same slip may be used as the vehicle pass also) with the details of the equipment on it; they will take the description from you. when leaving the campus, the slip will have to be surrendered to the security at the exit gate. if you overlooked getting this endorsement at the time of entry, it is not a major problem. i can take care of it (will take a little time - perhaps, 1/2 hour or so). sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 21:31:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02A74A119 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32670; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:17:58 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:17:27 (IST) Received: from gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.27]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32664 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:17:26 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98019@localhost) by gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12380 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:48 +0530 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:03:48 +0530 (IST) From: Raj Kiran Grandhi To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Re: problem with pine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Listar-MIME-Decode: Message altered to plaintext; MIME attachments removed or decrypted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc try the attached shell script which will start netscape with the given URL in the back ground. that is what i do. mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org and ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in, at 9:48pm on...: > In PINE i have set my URL viewer as /usr/bin/netscape. But when i am > reading mail, if i press enter over an URL, i am able to see that page on > netscape. but the pine screen is turning to blank. once i close the > netscape window or press ctrl+C, pine is coming to the normal mode. How > to solve this? i.e. without closing the netscape window, is there any way > to continue reading mail in PINE. > > ** mks ** > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. > -- Raj Kiran Grandhi ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in -- Listar MIME Decryption -------------- -- Name : browse -- Decode : BASE64 #!/bin/bash if [ $# = 1 ] then URL=$1 else URL="" fi if [ x != "x$DISPLAY" ] then if killall -0 netscape 2> /dev/null; then netscape -remote "openURL($URL)" else netscape $URL & fi else /usr/bin/lynx -cfg=$HOME/lib/lynx/lynx.cfg $URL fi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 21:35:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535804A023 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00243; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:43 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:46:12 (IST) Received: from hqmrelay.spss.com (hqmrelay.spss.com [192.67.95.40]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00213 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:45:19 +0530 Received: from hqemail2.spss.com (hqemail2.spss.com [192.67.95.18]) by hqmrelay.spss.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17137 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:47:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hqemail2.spss.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <9BC7BD8A1867D4118CB300A024CDCB64A2F7AD@hermes.spss.com> From: "Chitoor, Srikrishnan" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: RE: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:55:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: krishnan@spss.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc A related question. In this, there is talk only about having two ethernet cards for a firewall. Is that absolutely required? Can't we just have a linux box with one Network card, but two IP addresses (using IP aliasing)? If one network card will work fine, are there any disadvantages? Specifically, is it less secure than having two network cards? -Krishnan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. P. Sriram [SMTP:sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in] > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:42 PM > To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in > Subject: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) > > (this is a longish article; perhaps, someone can post it on to linux > india? it may be of interest to a wider audience; i will let the > linux india subscribers on ilugc decide) > ----------------------------------------------- > > routing through firewalls > author: p. sriram, iit madras > > here is a complete routing solution for the single firewall setup. though > i prepared this as a solution for a problem posed by anna university, this > may be of interest to many users in india and hence i am posting it here. > this can even be read for entertainement! i have basically presented the > routing configuration to use where a leased line connects a lan/wan > (intranet) to the internet and a two-ethernet card firewall sits at the > intranet/internet interface. the intranet is assumed to be full of hosts > with reserved/private ip addresses and a few hosts that have valid > internet ip addresses. the problem is how to set up routing so things work > as desired. the firewall is a ip-forwarding/filtering type. there are > excellent linux how-to's that address the problem, but some aspects are > not covered fully in the how-to's. hence, i write this. i have some > footnotes and comments in the end which may be read before the solution is > used. i would suggest reading through the firewall howto for more details > on the use of ipfwadm or ipchains (or firewalls in general). actually, as > routing problems go, this one is rather elementary (can assign as home > work, but not good enough to be on an exam). > > disclaimer: > ---------- > this is free advice. and remember, all my degrees are in aerospace > engineering and that is what i teach for a living. so, any claims about > my competence in computer networking will not be admissible in a court > of law under the indian evidence act. many people say that advice is > worth only what you pay for it. that is a warped western idea, like the > warped western phrase 'there is no free lunch'; go to tirupati and you > can get free lunch - annadaanam. (i urge you to read up on how the then > popular annadaanam practice was eliminated during the colonial raj). i > am not venkatachalapathy, so i dont give free lunches; but my advice is > free indian advice of the type found in the vedas and the gita. it is > good, sound, correct and it works; and free (hey, that sounds like > linux!). however, you cant sue me or iit madras if you get lung > cancer/bubonic plague/excessive pimples because you used my advice. > > the specific setting: > ------------------ > using annauniv example, the isp assigned 'internet valid' ip addresses > are 202.54.64.96 to 111; so the netmask for the subnet is > 255.255.255.240 or /28; this / notation is so compact that i will use it > from here on. your linux box may or may not support this type of > notation in the setup commands; if it does not, you will have replace > the /28 (or whatever) with 'netmask 255.255.255.240' (or whatever). the > anna univ 'valid' subnet can be thus denoted as 202.54.64.96/28. the > firewall host is connected to the router - and in fact is the only host > connected to the router. in a sense, the presence of internet on the > anna univ campus is limited to that small segment of the ethernet > network (cables/hubs whatever) that connects the router to the firewall. > the firewall uses an ip of 202.54.64.101 on eth0 (which connects to the > router) and 10.1.1.1 on eth1; eth1 connects to the campus network > (intranet). the campus network uses private 10.x ip numbers for all the > hosts. the single firewall sits between the campus network and the > internet. now, it is proposed to add a new host in the intranet with an > ip address of 10.1.1.30; this host needs to be visible on the internet > with an ip address of 202.54.64.102. there is also another host > 10.1.1.100 which is an intranet only host (no direct access to the > internet; it accesses internet through the firewall). how to do routing > for this setup? > > the solution > ----------- > i will start with the router and work my way into the network. i dont > know the address given to the ethernet interface of the router, so i > will assume it is 202.54.64.97; this is the conventionally used address; > the lowest, 96, is reserved for the network, and the highest, 111, is > reserved for the subnet broadcast address; the lowest address available, > 97, is for the router/gateway, leaving the 13 addresses (202.54.64.98 > through 110) available for other hosts in the intranet which need a > direct connection to the internet. the firewall uses 202.54.64.101, > leaving 12 more internet valid ip addresses. though my solution is for > 202.54.64.102, it obviously applies for any of these 12. > > (read my important footnote regarding the single firewall configuration > in the indian context) > > (1) router > --------- > default route points to the serial interface > 202.54.64.101/32 points to the ethernet interface > 202.54.64.102/28 points to 202.54.64.101 > (router programming depends on vendor and model; consult router manual > to figure out how to make the entries as above. the second entry is a > host route and the third entry is a gateway route to a subnet) > > without the firewall, the standard routing on the router would be > default points to the serial interface > 202.54.64.96/28 points to the ethernet interface > > (2)firewall > ---------- > (first setup the two ethernet cards) > > ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.101/28 > ifconfig eth1 10.1.1.1/x (appropriate netmask to be added depending on > how large the 10.x local domain is; i will just show this with an x; i > am assuming the intranet is sized for at least 256 addresses so x is 24 > or lower) > > (and now, the routing) > ip address of router points to eth0 device > 202.54.64.96/28 points to eth1 device > 10.1.1.1/x points to eth1 device > default route points to ip address of router (202.54.64.97 assumed) > > the following commands will accomplish this routing; some of these may > have been automatically added by the system during installation. > > route add -host 202.54.64.97 dev eth0 > route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth1 > route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth1 > route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 > > note that since both 202.x and 10.x are present on the intranet, the > interface connecting to the intranet (eth1) has a routing entry for > both. the internet is accessed through the router on eth0 and the other > two routing entries set this up. > > (and finally, the firewalling) > the firewall will need to have ip forwarding enabled. suitable ipfwadm > or ipchains rules will have to be put in place to control access as per > polciy. 10.x intranet hosts can gain access to internet through a > suitable masquerading rule. in fact, a broad rule can be used to allow > all hosts on the 10.x intranet to completely access internet (all these > accesses will appear to come from the firewall internet ip > 202.54.64.101). however, this access will be one-way, meaning, users in > the intranet can access the internet, but not vice-versa; connections > can be made from the intranet to the internet, but not vice-versa > (though data can flow in both directions). in users language, this will > mean one can do web browsing, but not web hosting; one can send mail out > directly but not receive. one can ftp - well, not actually. ftp needs > two connections, one opened by the server and one by the client. clients > in the internet cannot use an intranet ftp server. even clients in the > intranet cannot use an internet ftp server since the server cannot open > up the connection to the client. only if the ftp client and ftp server > support the passive feature can ftp work through the firewall. > consult the firewall howto which has a good explanation of how to set up > ipfwadm or ipchains; the howto also has pointers to other documentation > on ipfwadm and ipchains. > > and finally, i present the last step of the routing, the intranet hosts. > > (3) intranet hosts > ---------------- > (a) pure intranet hosts with 10.x addresses only; the routing for these > should have > 10.x pointing to eth0; the address for the example host is 10.1.1.100. > the routing should have > > 202.54.64.96/28 pointing to eth0 > default pointing to 10.1.1.1, the internal interface of the firewall > > the commands to do this are > > ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.100/x > > route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 > route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 > route add default gateway 10.1.1.1 > > however, this leaves the router inaccessible since it is beyond the > firewall and not on the intranet. same is true of the external > interface 202.54.64.101 on the firewall. to be able to access the router > from this host, a host route has to be added. > > route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 > > of course, access to the router from this intranet host will be > controlled by the firewalling rules. a similar host route has to be > added if one wants to access the firewall external interface (route add > -host 202.54.64.101 gateway 10.1.1.1); remember, the firewall machine > itself can be conveniently accessed using the 10.1.1.1 address. access > to the external interface may be needed, for example, for some mail > purposes. > > as an alternate arrangement, a 10.x address can be assigned to each of > the internet hosts on the intranet (not only the firewall), making them > visible on the intranet directly. this will need ip aliasing support on > all the internet hosts (the hosts with the 202 series ip addresses). in > that case, the first route shown above (10.x pointing to eth0) will open > up this access and all the routing entries except the default entry > become superfluous. i believe this is a better arrangement since > generic 10.x hosts need not know anything about the existence of the 202 > hosts at all. in a sense, the presence and access to internet is > transparent to users on 10.x machines. they need not know anything about > routing and simply use the appropriate 10.x gateway(s) to access > internet services. the corresponding routing for the internet hosts is > shown at the bottom of the next section. > > (b) internet hosts on the intranet i.e., hosts with 202 series ip > addresses; example, 202.54.64.102; eth0 can be configured with this ip > address. the routing is as follows. > > 10.x pointing to eth0 > 202.54.64.96/28 pointing to eth0 > 202.54.64.97 pointing to 10.1.1.1 > default pointing to 202.54.64.97 > > the commands to do this are > > ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.102/28 > > route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 > route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 > route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 > route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 > > as in case 3-a, the external interface of the firewall is not accesible > directly at this stage. if this access is needed, one needs to add a > route for that pointing to the internal interface of the firewall as was > done in case 3-2 (route add -host 202.54.64.101 gateway 10.1.1.1). > > the above is applicable if the internet hosts on the intranet are not > given the local 10.x series addresses through aliasing. if one chooses > the alternate arrangement of giving a 10.x address also to these hosts, > we have the following. > > ifconfig eth0 202.54.64.102/28 > ifconfig eth0:0 10.1.1.30/x > > route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0:0 > route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0 > route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 > route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 > > if, for some reason, it is preferred to give 10.1.1.30 as the eth0 > address and 202.54.64.102 as the additional (aliased) address eth0:0, > eth0 and eth0:0 will have to be interchanged in the above to get > > ifconfig eth0 10.1.1.30/x > ifconfig eth0:0 202.54.64.102/28 > > route add -net 10.1.1.0 netmask x dev eth0 > route add -net 202.54.64.96 netmask 255.255.255.240 dev eth0:0 > route add -host 202.54.64.97 gateway 10.1.1.1 > route add default gateway 202.54.64.97 > > that completes the solution; there are other ways of acheiving this, but > this one will work. > > footnote: (1) this type of single point firewalling is generally not > necessary in the indian context. since the router at the vsnl end will > only route packets to the 202.54.64.96/28 subnet (these being the only > 'valid' internet ip addresses), the 10.x hosts are absolutely safe from > direct attack from the internet. since only 202.54.64.96/28 hosts are > visible on the internet, one of the hosts in this set will have to be > broken into before any of the 10.x hosts can be attacked. the only thing > gained by putting two ethernet cards on 202.54.64.101 is that this ONE > host (not just any one of the 202.54.64.96/28 subnet) will have to be > broken into before any other host can be attacked. one could argue that > maintaining one secure host is easier than maintaining 13; however, with > a reasonably fast leased link, a simple pc as the single firewall may > result in a bottleneck; this can lead to inability to utilize the > bandwidth available on the leased line. a dedicated firewall box or > atleast, a linux router type box may be in order. however, this type of > firewalling is usually called for only if all (or many) of the hosts > behind the firewall have externally visible ip addresses since it can > protect weakly configured hosts (say, user configured/administered > windows type machines). for example, if annauniv had the address space > of 202.54.64.x/24 (256 ip addresses) or lower than /24 - say /23 or /22 > or whatever - (more than 256 ip addresses), they could assign > 202.54.whatever type ip addresses to ALL hosts on their campus network. > then, ALL these hosts would be directly on the internet and would be > fair game for direct attack from anywhere in the world. this is a > typical corporate setup in the west and hence the need for double > ethernet card firewall at the point(s) of entry. the limited > availability of ip addresses in india (and the world in general, i > suppose) means that even 2mbps leased line customers get far fewer > addresses than the the number of machines they have; this leads to a > standard indian setup of intranets based entirely on reserved ips (and > thus automatically isolated from the internet) and only a relative > handful of the hosts on the intranet having direct access to the > internet. the western type firewall is probably inappropriate for use > in this type of situation. one can reasonably assume that the limited > 'valid' ip addresses would be in demand and would only be dished out > only to well managed/configured/administered server class machines, > which would be reasonably difficult to break into (unlike a user > administered windows type machine). moral of this story: if you want to > market this type of firewall solution in india, and if your potential > client is wise enough to seek my counsel (!), your price be real cheap > or there goes your sale. > > (2) introduction to firewalls: there are basically two types of > firewalls - the forwarding/filtering type and the proxying type. the > forwarding/filtering type has two ethernet cards, one connected to the > internet and the second to the intranet. the first is the outside of the > firewall and the second, the inside. ipforwarding is enabled on the > firewall selectively to control what traffic can get through. ipfw, > ipfwadm and ipchains are software packages that can be used to provide > this control function. in the proxy type firewall, the intranet hosts > are blocked from the internet (and vice versa) by the router connecting > the network to internet; select hosts have access to the internet and > these serve as proxies for the others. i.e., an intranet host needing an > internet service forwards the request to an internet enabled host; this > host then performs the service and returns the results to the > originating host. the squid web proxy is a well known example for this > type of transaction. a browser makes a request to the squid proxy, which > fetches the information from the internet and presents the resulting web > pages to the browser. in general, one proxy program is required for each > of the services that needs to be provided. the socks package can be > used to get around this problem of one program for each service. it is a > generic package and can be used to proxy multiple services; it basically > passes along a generic request for service that it receives but with > itself as the requester; the returned results are passed back > appropriately. with the proxy approach, the user application has to be > redirected to obtain service from the appropriate proxy server and not > directly. in a browser, this may simply mean turning on an option to use a > proxy and entering the proxy address. however, for most other > applications, a recompile may be called for, especially if the service is > through socks (this is known as sockifying an application). for windows > users, there is the well known trumpet winsock package which provides the > socks functionality. there is also another tool that is useful - the tis > fwtk (firewall tool kit). this is a generic proxying type package and > provides good control over what services are provided through the proxy > and to whom. read the firewall howto for further information. > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 22:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E750B4A09A for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00847; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:38:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:49 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00826 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:37:36 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12864 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:00 +0530 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:36:00 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: problem with pine In-Reply-To: <20000813103205.A29631@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Ravikant K. Rao wrote: > > reading mail, if i press enter over an URL, i am able to see that page on > > netscape. but the pine screen is turning to blank. once i close the > > netscape window or press ctrl+C, pine is coming to the normal mode. How > > Try Changing the entry to "/usr/bin/netscape &" > As soon as i posted this message, suddenly the amperstand strucked to my mind and that's solved my problem. thanks a lot. ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 13 23:57:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220C4A09A for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01279; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:56:03 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:55:32 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01273 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:55:31 +0530 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:55:31 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: RE: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) In-Reply-To: <9BC7BD8A1867D4118CB300A024CDCB64A2F7AD@hermes.spss.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Chitoor, Srikrishnan wrote: > A related question. > In this, there is talk only about having two ethernet cards for a firewall. > Is that absolutely required? > Can't we just have a linux box with one Network card, but two IP addresses > (using IP aliasing)? > If one network card will work fine, are there any disadvantages? > Specifically, is it less secure than having two network cards? a machine with a single ethernet card with two addresses does not really qualify as a firewall. in this case, there is only a single physical network which is directly connected to the internet (or the router that is connecting to the line to the internet) and hence, there is no outside zone and inside zone - only an outside zone. as i have hinted at in my footnote to the detailed post, firewalls (single interface or multiple interface) make little sense in the indian context. most of our intranets seem to use local/reserved ip addresses and hence are invisible as far as the internet is concerned. to quote from the firewall howto, "firewalls are used for two purposes - (1) to keep people (worms/crackers) out (2) to keep people (employees/children) in". if the intranet has hosts with local addresses, purpose (1) is served even without a firewall. with a single interface firewall purpose (2) depends on how things other than the firewall are configured. a double interface firewall provides full control at the firewall machine. sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 14 07:59:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51944A0C2 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02967; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:12:32 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:12:01 (IST) Received: from hqmrelay.spss.com (hqmrelay.spss.com [192.67.95.40]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02958 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:11:44 +0530 Received: from hqemail2.spss.com (hqemail2.spss.com [192.67.95.18]) by hqmrelay.spss.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04856 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:34:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: by hqemail2.spss.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:38:56 -0500 Message-ID: <9BC7BD8A1867D4118CB300A024CDCB64A2F827@hermes.spss.com> From: "Chitoor, Srikrishnan" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: RE: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:41:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: krishnan@spss.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc >a machine with a single ethernet card with two addresses does not really >qualify as a firewall. in this case, there is only a single physical >network which is directly connected to the internet (or the router that is >connecting to the line to the internet) and hence, there is no outside >zone and inside zone - only an outside zone. I agree, but is this network (where you have 2 network cards) more secure than network I described? In single network card case, we will have (a) Router and firewall on one network segment (b) Firewall and LAN on other network segment (c) Router will route traffic ONLY from firewall (act as a bridge). Logically, outside and inside can be described in terms of network segments here. Is this less secure? >as i have hinted at in my >footnote to the detailed post, firewalls (single interface or multiple >interface) make little sense in the indian context. most of our intranets >seem to use local/reserved ip addresses and hence are invisible as far as I beg to differ. The notion that we are secure because of private IP addresses is only partly true. Here is a scenario using which it is possible to attack private IP network. This scenario does not work with private IP + firewall. (a) Say there is a InetD bug that gives you root access. (b) Contact Internet gateway machine (with no firewall), using its Internet IP address. (c) Issue the set of commands that give you root access. (d) You are root on gateway machine. (e) Now you can access your local LAN as well as server (install a sniffer if necessary) In case of firewall, (a) You cannot even contact the machine (packet denied). Basically, what this says is that application level security is inherently less secure than packet level security and therefore firewall does make sense even in Indian context. --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 07:59:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0CA4A0E4 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06274; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:54:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:53:58 (IST) Received: from coredump ([203.197.135.207]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06268 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:53:50 +0530 Received: by coredump (Postfix, from userid 500) id C451CBEE2; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:53:56 +0530 (IST) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:53:56 +0530 From: G Gautam To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Corel Photopaint available Message-ID: <20000815195356.A446@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.2i Sender: g@coredump.localdomain X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gautamg@md4.vsnl.net.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Corel Photopaint for Linux is now available for free. http://linux.corel.com Gautam --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 09:25:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC324A0E6 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06549; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:40:13 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:39:42 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06541 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:39:31 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15225 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:44:05 +0530 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:44:05 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: [LIG] Domains (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc what about chennai.linux-india.org ** mks ** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:12:56 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis Reply-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org To: Linux India General , Linux India Help List Subject: [LIG] Domains All: I have started assigning linux-india.org subdomains to the various ILUGS. The ones currently assigned are http://bombay.linux-india.org (http://mumbai.linux-india.org also works) http://cochin.linux-india.org (http://kochi.linux-india.org also works) http://bangalore.linux-india.org http://delhi.linux-india.org http://hyderabad.linux-india.org http://calcutta.linux-india.org Going to any of these sites will cause a redirect to your existing sites. Some help required here from ILUGs not yet "city'd". - If your ILUG has a website, please let webmaster@linux-india.org know. - A bit of pre-emptive maintenance - please make sure that you have an ILUG before you ask for a city-domain to point to you, and that the site is about the ILUG. There has been one case where someone asked for a city domain, but the website he pointed to was a commercial site selling software services. This kind of stuff is not acceptable, and we *are* going to check. Atul -- -------------------------------------------------------- Atul Chitnis | achitnis@exocore.com (PGP:6011BCB8) Exocore Consulting | http://www.exocore.com Bangalore, India | +91(80)3440397 Fax +91(80)3341137 -------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- Find out more about this and other Linux India mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 09:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCBD4A0E6 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06557; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:41:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:40:32 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06551 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:40:30 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15230 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:45:05 +0530 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:45:05 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Re: [LIG] missing domains (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:28:32 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis Reply-To: linux-india-general@lists.linux-india.org To: Linux India General Cc: Linux India Help List Subject: Re: [LIG] Domains On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Atul Chitnis wrote: > I have started assigning linux-india.org subdomains to the various > ILUGS. The ones currently assigned are Sorry, these two are also assigned - missed in original note. http://pune.linux-india.org (http://poona.linux-india.org also works) http://trivandrum.linux-india.org (http://thiruvanathapuram.linux-india.org also works Atul ---------------------------------------------- Find out more about this and other Linux India mailing lists at http://lists.linux-india.org/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 10:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6174A0E4 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06860; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:41:17 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:40:46 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06854 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:40:33 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7FH0Je26331 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZCFOD02.KDR for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:49 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <3999795C.1B8BEC2@netscape.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:48 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: ILUG-C representative in LI registration list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, I still have received any nomination from ILUG-C for the LI registration process. PLEASE do this ASAP. Or I will go ahead and assume that Prabhu is ILUG-C's representative. Thaths -- Marge: Besides, it's not just his chiseled good looks. "People" magazine says he's a devoted father, goes to church every week, and likes to fix things around the.... Homer, let's make love. Homer: Uh, okay. [The lights go out. The lights come on] Homer: Uh, you're thinking about me, right? Marge: Of course, Homey. Aren't you thinking about me? Homer: I will now. [The lights go off again] Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 16:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9934A029 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07730; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:38:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:38:22 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07724 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:38:18 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13OpPU-0005BI-00; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:42:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:42:16 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Debian 2.2 , potato is released --- the Joel 'Espy' Klecker release Message-ID: <20000815154216.A19857@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc ATLAST! _Finally_! http://www.debian.org/news/2000/20000815 is where you wanna head to, right away. Also, http://www.debian.org/releases/2.2/ is worth a look. Now its time to wait for potato cds to arrive :D People that wanna help -- Volunteer for MashPotato! http://mashpotato.debian.net/ and http://www.linuxgiant.com/debian/ are where you should check out. If http://mashpotato.printf.net/ works, that too. Someone: Please make sure the minutes get posted ASAP. I'll probably catch you Zameer, or try to, at any rate, on Sunday. As for Thaths' LI Admin volunteer from ilugc, I take it that Prabhu is the unanimous choice? -Ravi --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 15 20:23:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1F54A0AA for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08647; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:40:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:40:25 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08633 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:40:22 +0530 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:40:21 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: RE: full solution to the anna univ routing problem (long) In-Reply-To: <9BC7BD8A1867D4118CB300A024CDCB64A2F827@hermes.spss.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, i am taking further discussion on this to email sriram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 01:42:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B474A165 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10438; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:43:53 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:43:22 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10425 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:43:16 +0530 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA15305 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:36:03 +0500 Received: from focusite.com ([192.168.1.213]) by alpha.focusite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21741 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:40:13 +0530 Message-ID: <399A49E2.6BE0DFC9@focusite.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:29:30 +0530 From: Aravind Balasubramanian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Debian 2.2 , potato is released --- the Joel 'Espy' Klecker release References: <20000815154216.A19857@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: aravind@focusite.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" wrote: > ATLAST! _Finally_! http://www.debian.org/news/2000/20000815 is where you > wanna head to, right away. Also, http://www.debian.org/releases/2.2/ is > worth a look. Now its time to wait for potato cds to arrive :D > > People that wanna help -- Volunteer for > MashPotato! http://mashpotato.debian.net/ and > http://www.linuxgiant.com/debian/ are where you should check out. If > http://mashpotato.printf.net/ works, that too. I Just wanna know if anybody has started downloading the 4 iso images, so that i can download remaining iso's. Please mail asap to enable me to start the downloads at the earliest. Regards Aravind. B --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 03:19:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BD44A0E6 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 03:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11079; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:16:59 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:16:28 (IST) Received: from tower.ti.com (tower.ti.com [192.94.94.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11073 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:16:22 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by tower.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7G9jbr19332 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:45:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22914 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:45:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22885 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:45:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCX85B; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:15:31 +0530 Message-ID: <399A62A4.F51C0EC7@ti.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:15:08 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Debian 2.2 , potato is released --- the Joel 'Espy' Klecker release References: <20000815154216.A19857@symonds.net> <399A49E2.6BE0DFC9@focusite.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Aravind Balasubramanian wrote: > > I Just wanna know if anybody has started downloading the 4 iso images, so that > i can download remaining iso's. If you have the test cycle #2 or #3 isos, then use rsync to get the updates. There are very few changes between test 3 and the release iso. -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 07:26:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1634A17B for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11703; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:56:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:55:38 (IST) Received: from tower.ti.com (tower.ti.com [192.94.94.5]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11697 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:55:33 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by tower.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7GCOxr12032 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:24:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26360 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:24:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26327 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:24:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCX9KF; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:54:54 +0530 Message-ID: <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:54:31 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > Linux India has been operating so far as a group of, to borrow a phrase, > "communicating individuals". The time has come to formalize Linux India as > some sort of organization. That is why we, the sort of "founding > communicating individuals" of Linux India are writing to you [2]. I would like to know, what one would achieve by this formalization. I will air my opinion after hearing that from the mouth of one of the "founding communicating individuals". -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 07:51:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06DF4A17B for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11727; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:00:16 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:59:45 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11717 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:59:42 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1199 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:54:00 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13P2Me-00009L-00 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:02:12 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:02:12 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Debian 2.2 , potato is released In-Reply-To: <399A49E2.6BE0DFC9@focusite.com> References: <20000815154216.A19857@symonds.net> <399A49E2.6BE0DFC9@focusite.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14746.35191.777661.157382@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Aravind" == Aravind Balasubramanian writes: Aravind> I Just wanna know if anybody has started downloading the Aravind> 4 iso images, so that i can download remaining iso's. Dont be crazy! Dont download all the 4 iso images. Use the pseudo image kit and get the differences from our current 4 CD set. :) prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 08:03:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4EF4A2C5 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12157; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:57:30 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:57:00 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12150 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:56:58 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1929 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:51:22 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13P4CI-0000CH-00 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:59:38 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:59:37 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Pseudo image kit X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14746.42193.418074.410066@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Though this might help. The Pseudo-Image Kit -- Get CD images. Faster. http://cdimage.debian.org/~costar/pseudo-image-kit/ Download it, read the README and have fun. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 09:08:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E064A020 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12642; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:22:22 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:51 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12631 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:44 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7GFj7Y20507 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZE6OH01.KV2 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:50:41 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:50:40 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ramakrishnan M proclaimed: > I would like to know, what one would achieve by this formalization. I will air > my opinion after hearing that from the mouth of one of the "founding > communicating individuals". Part of the reason for this formation of a list is to discuss /whether/ there is a need to formalize LI into some nation-wide body. A recent incident involving a certain linux oriented .in domain name prompted some people to vocally let me know that it is important that LI become formally registered. Furthermore, organizing events in the past (such as IT.com etc.) have indicated a need for a nation-wide body. Since there was disagreement with a proposed autocratic registration of LI as a non-profit body, I proposed that the process be as democratic as possible. BTW, I understand that we all receive tons of email. But it would have been nice if potential objectors would bring up their concerns in a couple of days instead of almost a week later. Over to you, Ramakrishnan. Thaths -- Marge: Besides, it's not just his chiseled good looks. "People" magazine says he's a devoted father, goes to church every week, and likes to fix things around the.... Homer, let's make love. Homer: Uh, okay. [The lights go out. The lights come on] Homer: Uh, you're thinking about me, right? Marge: Of course, Homey. Aren't you thinking about me? Homer: I will now. [The lights go off again] Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 09:24:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0694A01A for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12683; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:29:39 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:29:09 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12676 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:29:04 +0530 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id VAA21688 for ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:21:51 +0500 Received: from focusite.com ([192.168.1.213]) by alpha.focusite.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05984 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:23:21 +0530 Message-ID: <399AB6D6.C255E101@focusite.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:14:22 +0530 From: Aravind Balasubramanian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Debian 2.2 , potato is released References: <20000815154216.A19857@symonds.net> <399A49E2.6BE0DFC9@focusite.com> <14746.35191.777661.157382@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: aravind@focusite.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Dont be crazy! Dont download all the 4 iso images. Use the pseudo > image kit and get the differences from our current 4 CD set. :) Yes After I shot the mail I realised what a crazy idea it was to download the 4cd's again. I will be rsync'ing the iso images of theTest cycle 2 cd's some time from now. Hope it will be over in a day. (Are you going to) / (have (you/anyone)) already done it ???? Regards Aravind --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 21:56:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A304A09A for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14949; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:42 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:10 (IST) Received: from gatekeep.ti.com (gatekeep.ti.com [192.94.94.61]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14939 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:05 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by gatekeep.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7H4fQD19050 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:41:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05044 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05006 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:41:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCYAK2; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:11:20 +0530 Message-ID: <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:10:53 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > Part of the reason for this formation of a list is to discuss /whether/ > there is a need to formalize LI into some nation-wide body. A recent > incident involving a certain linux oriented .in domain name prompted some ok.. It would have been nice, if you had quoted the above incidents also in the original message. Without any such reasons, it looked odd to me. Moreover, about two months back, there was a discussion on this subject on the ilug-bangalore mailing list, and the original poster gave absolutely dumb reasons for the move. > people to vocally let me know that it is important that LI become formally > registered. Furthermore, organizing events in the past (such as IT.com I feel, we need some form of a draft which states "these are the reasons which prompted us to think of formalization and these are the benifits we will get". If we can evolve a consensus on those issues, we may proceed with that. If any sort of commercial interests are involved in this, then..sorry. > BTW, I understand that we all receive tons of email. But it would have > been nice if potential objectors would bring up their concerns in a couple > of days instead of almost a week later. I am sorry, you might be knowing that we all had a long weekend and were away from email. I am wondering why everyone is silent on this issue. -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 16 22:51:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3068D4A0BA for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15175; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:05:15 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:44 (IST) Received: from kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@[144.16.251.96]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15166 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:04:41 +0530 From: shishirb2@yahoo.com Received: from lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in (lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.244.125]) by kaveri.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05564 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:10:21 +0530 Received: from localhost (ee99331@localhost) by lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02861 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:10:35 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in: ee99331 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:10:35 +0530 (IST) X-Sender: ee99331@lotus.ee.iitm.ernet.in To: linux user group chennai Subject: debian 2.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: shishirb2@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, it'd really be nice if we could get our hands on these debian CDs on the next meet... i, for one, am ready to take a set... adios shishir -- Jim, this is Matty down at Ralph's and Mark's. Some guy named Angel Martin just ran up a fifty buck bar tab. And now he wants to charge it to you. You gonna pay it? -- "The Rockford Files" x------------------------ shishir birmiwal-----x #152,godavari,iitm,chennai-600036. 044-4459075 x----shishirb@yahoo.com -----------------------x --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 01:03:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E324A11B for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00282; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:15:59 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:15:29 (IST) Received: from garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (ae98016@garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.17]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00275 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:15:27 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98016@localhost) by garuda.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00422 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:15:26 +0530 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:15:26 +0530 (IST) From: A Midhun Kumar To: linux user group chennai Subject: Re: debian 2.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98016@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, I would like to take a set too. It would be great if some one can arrange for this. with love, Midhun On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 shishirb2@yahoo.com wrote: > > hi, > > it'd really be nice if we could get our hands on these debian > CDs on the next meet... i, for one, am ready to take a set... > > adios > shishir --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 02:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA414A118 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00779; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:17:22 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:16:52 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00757 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:16:49 +0530 Received: from bigfoot.com ([203.199.229.220]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13522 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:24:25 +0530 (IST) Sender: zameer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <399BA640.91D3BB80@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:15:52 +0530 From: Zameer Ahmed Organization: Lateral Software Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Thaths wrote : BTW, I understand that we all receive tons of email. But it would have been nice if potential objectors would bring up their concerns in a couple of days instead of almost a week later. ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! ANY OBJECTIONS? I hope I made it loud enough :) Regards Zameer Ahmed -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being. Malcolm X, NYC, 20 Dec. 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 02:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6144A11B for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01098; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:41 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:10 (IST) Received: from gatekeep.ti.com (gatekeep.ti.com [192.94.94.61]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01084 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:05:04 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by gatekeep.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7H9YUD12572 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12378 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:34:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12371 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCYBNJ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:04:25 +0530 Message-ID: <399BB179.F99E4D3F@ti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:03:45 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <399BA640.91D3BB80@bigfoot.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Zameer Ahmed wrote: > > ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! yes. I second Zameer. -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 02:52:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61404A11B for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01077; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:03:41 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:03:11 (IST) Received: from gatekeep.ti.com (gatekeep.ti.com [192.94.94.61]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01063 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:03:01 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by gatekeep.ti.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e7H9WQD11913 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:32:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11168 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:32:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11147 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:32:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCYBN1; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:02:19 +0530 Message-ID: <399BB0FC.BCF8C6A0@ti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:01:40 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilug chennai Subject: Pocket Linux! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc checkout yet another iPAQ running gnu/linux! http://www.transvirtual.com/pocketlinux.htm -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 03:18:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB34C4A295 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01305; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:30:41 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:30:11 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01290 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:29:41 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13PMRf-0006n9-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:58:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 02:58:43 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] Message-ID: <20000817025843.A15739@symonds.net> References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com>; from rkrishnan@ti.com on Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:10:53AM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi: On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:10:53AM +0530, Ramakrishnan M wrote: > ok.. It would have been nice, if you had quoted the above incidents also in the > original message. Without any such reasons, it looked odd to me. Moreover, This was actively discussed on the Linux-India Mailing Lists, and I had seen a *lot* of talk on this, even as late as 3 weeks back, about the time I unsubscribed from them. > I feel, we need some form of a draft which states "these are the reasons which > prompted us to think of formalization and these are the benifits we will get". And who will create the "draft" ? Personally I think it is unnecessary futile work. No, this is not a case of "My ****** is bigger than yours" ... I just feel that anyone actively involved in administrative work will be busy enough as it is, and creating random drafts to satisfy ourselves is pretty stupid. This reminds me of the Madras Telephones guys, who took precisely all of 3 years to transfer ownership,... > If we can evolve a consensus on those issues, we may proceed with > that. If any Correct me if I am wrong (thaths?) - But isn't that precisely what the committee is being created for?! > I am wondering why everyone is silent on this issue. To be truthful, and speaking only for myself, I can say I really dont care too much about the administrative aspects of some random organisation.I would gladly spend time lecturing people on Linux, or helping with installations, or random advice/talk/stuff during ilugc meets and otherwise, and I am comfortable with that, rather than to go about telling the whole world that we're not out to rob society but instead are a bunch of non-profit dudes, blablalbla. Also, there are already a bunch of doyens and suchlike on Linux-India, as are lawyers and so..and I truthfully think they can achieve more being on an administrative panel, than me. Also, since most of ilugc is a bunch of students, who would prefer spending time figuring out how to not flunk any courses, yet have fun, during the semester ... than to sit down and get their hands dirty with legal crap. But again, this is only what _I_ think of students at large, and I suppose the more intelligent lot, among us, such as Prabhu and the other IITian geeks will differ in their opinions.... *shrug* Have a Nice Day -ravi "looking forward to madurai" rao ps: that aside, I leave for madurai this evening, and return only sunday. so you guys have a great meeting, and i'll catch y'all once I return :( --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 04:03:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3634A3F5 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01543; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:21:02 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:20:32 (IST) Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01536 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:20:08 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by jester.ti.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HAlxX23301 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:48:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20054 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:48:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20021 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:48:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCYB4C; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:18:52 +0530 Message-ID: <399BC2EC.5917081D@ti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:18:12 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> <20000817025843.A15739@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" wrote: > > This was actively discussed on the Linux-India Mailing Lists, and That was in /Linux-India/. Don't assume that everyone in this list is a member of LI also. I ceased to be a member of LI list more than an year back as the SNR reached the bottom of the waterfall curve. > than yours" ... I just feel that anyone actively involved in > administrative work will be busy enough as it is, and creating random Any one who can have the patience and time to write a mail of this length can also sit and write such a draft, IMHO. > Correct me if I am wrong (thaths?) - But isn't that precisely what > the committee is being created for?! May be, but unclear from the original post. Again, you might have drawn conclusions from elsewhere. Don't assume the case with everybody. I hope people in this list will make a clear matured and /unbiased/ assessment of the issue. -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 05:16:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7874A0B0 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01912; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:26:31 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:26:01 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01904 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:25:46 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13POGn-0001n9-00; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:55:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:55:37 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] Message-ID: <20000817045537.A934@symonds.net> References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> <20000817025843.A15739@symonds.net> <399BC2EC.5917081D@ti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <399BC2EC.5917081D@ti.com>; from rkrishnan@ti.com on Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:18:12PM +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Greets, On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:18:12PM +0530, Ramakrishnan M wrote: > > This was actively discussed on the Linux-India Mailing Lists, and > > That was in /Linux-India/. Don't assume that everyone in this list is a member The idea was you look up the archives of the linux-india mailing lists.... not that I assumed that you were a member. > Any one who can have the patience and time to write a mail of this length can > also sit and write such a draft, IMHO. Sure. If that was a hint at me to get down and write a draft, the answer is a resounding "No" because : a) I dont have information on the aforementioned b) I dont care about the administrative part (the oorganisation that is being created for whatever purpose - discussed at length, in my previous post) My counterpoint -- Anyone jobless enough to read up all this junk that I am generating would surely have 10 minutes to spend to read about 5 or 6 emails, which are beautifully archived on thaths' machine -- http://lists.linux-india.org/cgi-bin/wilma/ - Click on the "Linux-India-Help" link and check it out -- It probably was on Linux-India-General, too -- I dont know. Again, If /you/ want to know about the organisation being set up, /I/ have quite no say in the matter -- Go ahead and read up whatever was already discussed, and join the discussion, actively, by subscribing to Linux-India. If its not important, don't do it. Personally, I don't think its right to say, "Hey, you're jobless -- Why dont you write it up anyway?" To steal the words of Ingrid S Asha, RedHat Customer Support Executive, ... "If you are too lazy and cannot be bothered listening to what I have to say, I will not be drawn into listening to what you might have to say" ... > May be, but unclear from the original post. Again, you might have drawn > conclusions from elsewhere. Don't assume the case with everybody. Yeah - the idea is, "Read the archives" ... I was only trying to help. If you had posted this on Linux-India, you have gotten flamed in like 10 minutes flat, so insanely, that it would have been much of an embarassment. Instead of other random people telling you to "rtfm", I figured, I'd give you a subtle enough hint. Of course, you are free to do whatever you want to, and so go ahead and do it :) > I hope people in this list will make a clear matured and /unbiased/ assessment > of the issue. Okay, I hereby formally get out of this thread. I am sick of bitching about whatever. -Ravi "visibly annoyed, and off to Madurai" Rao --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 05:20:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532884A105 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01967; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:36:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:35:42 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01960 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:35:37 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 797 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:29:54 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13PNwV-0000JW-00 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:04:39 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] In-Reply-To: <399BA640.91D3BB80@bigfoot.com> References: <399BA640.91D3BB80@bigfoot.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14747.51391.507921.291530@monster.linux.in> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:04:39 +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Zameer" == Zameer Ahmed writes: Zameer> ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! ANY OBJECTIONS? Too late. I accepted the offer in a private mail to Thaths. No one else seemed interested. Strange - you all vote for others. No one offers to do anything (not that I do too much). As regards debian CD's, as of today I am not going to make the CD's this time. I made them the last time spending almost 2 days. There are a few points folks better understand before sending the list boatloads of CD requests. 1) It is not advisable to download anything from debian now. The servers will obviously be overloaded anyway. Wait for a week(?) before things stabilize. 2) I dont know when Thaths will send us CD's. We already have fairly recent frozen sets. Those CD's are in circulation. Zameer and Aravind have copies I guess. I dont think Thaths or Manoj can send us non-free/non-us. Therefore it is worthwhile using the pseudo image kit to get the CD's. 3) Someone needs to offer to make the CD's. I have no objections giving you a small talk(?) this Saturday on making potato CD's from the current frozen set using the pseudo image kit. 4) Someone (actually more than one person is reqd.) also needs to offer to test the CD's and then make copies for everyone. You need to announce your names on the list and people who want CD's can contact you directly. If no one offers to make the CD's I will make them in my own sweet time. Copies can be had from me later. So if you want them early you are on your own. prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 05:49:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7C54A0B6 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02111; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:04:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:03:59 (IST) Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02105 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:03:50 +0530 Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com ([157.170.188.9]) by jester.ti.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e7HCWHX08473 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:32:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dlep6.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20997 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:33:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dbde01.itg.ti.com ([157.87.102.21]) by dlep6.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20968 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:33:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ti.com (dhcp214.india.ti.com [157.87.103.144]) by dbde01.itg.ti.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id Q0ZCYCA1; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:03:10 +0530 Message-ID: <399BDB5E.1C5C42B@ti.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:02:30 +0530 From: Ramakrishnan M Organization: Texas Instruments R&D Center, Bangalore, India X-Sender: "Ramakrishnan M" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD TexasInstruments (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> <20000817025843.A15739@symonds.net> <399BC2EC.5917081D@ti.com> <20000817045537.A934@symonds.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rkrishnan@ti.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc "Ravikant K. Rao" wrote: > > To steal the words of Ingrid S Asha, RedHat Customer Support > Executive, ... "If you are too lazy and cannot be bothered listening > to what I have to say, I will not be drawn into listening to what you > might have to say" ... I am really sorry. I will /never/ participate in the current discussion anymore. Let the self proclaimed geeks and smart people take over. -- Ramakrishnan.M --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 06:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247794A0A1 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 06:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02209; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:28:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:27:59 (IST) Received: from eth.net (ddsl.net [202.9.145.10] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02203 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:27:35 +0530 Received: from eth.net ([10.2.1.41]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.117.11); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:18:53 +0530 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([202.9.182.120]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:55 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:ashwind@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00594 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:27 +0530 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:20:27 +0530 (IST) From: Ashwin X-Sender: ashwind@localhost To: Linux Chennai Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] In-Reply-To: <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ashwind@geocities.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Ramakrishnan M wrote: > Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > The time has come to formalize Linux India as some sort of organization Use the word "club" instead of organisation and I am much more comfortable. Organisation => Organised => structured but limited. there are people inside an organisation and those outside it. Club => Association / collection of people with common interests. People who are outside the club can be part of it just by sharing interest - in this case linux. I know these are all only English words but over time these have a way of imposing their meanings on us. I do accept that the scattered clubs around the country need to be recognised as one entity first and then as individual clubs, but not that it will serve too much purpose, unless we see that the objective of these groups is to promote linux as against supporting it. I had this distinct feeling that it was about supporting Linux users - not campaigning for them e.g. Never had I seen linux-india.org before I started using Linux. If there is a conflict of objectives of such sort amongst the groups it may never work and it would probably divide the attention of the "communicating individuals" who are core to comforting new users - who become pros - who bring in new users - who need guidance...........and Linux grows. I dont know if I am answering or suggesting anything in particular here, but this is Linux and Linux India as I see it. IMHO Ashwin ------------------------------- Ashwin Linux is a pain but I am a sadist --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 11:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94A14A152 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03284; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:57:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:56:39 (IST) Received: from web4604.mail.yahoo.com (web4604.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.159]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03271 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:56:26 +0530 Message-ID: <20000817182539.25814.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.194.20.32] by web4604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:25:39 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: swaraj kumar Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: swaraj19@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc --- Zameer Ahmed wrote: > BTW, I understand that we all receive tons of email. > But it would have > been nice if potential objectors would bring up > their concerns in a > couple > of days instead of almost a week later. > > > ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! > ANY OBJECTIONS? > > I hope I made it loud enough :) > > hmm what s your point as you know arun is out of madras so it is prabhu i vote for prabhu and zammer dotn shout and dude keep changing the signature file swaraj > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All > you have to do is to be > an intelligent human being. > Malcolm X, NYC, 20 Dec. 1964 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > --- > Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org > Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' > with 'unsubscribe' > in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe > from this list. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 11:58:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (www.aero.iitm.ernet.in [206.103.12.233]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783D44A149 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03332; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:14:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:14:22 (IST) Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA03326 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:14:15 +0530 Message-ID: <20000817184329.20397.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.194.20.32] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:43:29 PDT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: swaraj kumar Subject: re:prabhu To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: swaraj19@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi prabhu i will send couple of potato cds when they are out i will see if i get the non-us and non-free also swaraj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 17 23:26:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2339449F61 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05322; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:31:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:31:07 (IST) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05315 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:31:04 +0530 Received: from bigfoot.com ([203.199.229.249]) by md2.vsnl.net.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19627 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:38:18 +0530 (IST) Sender: zameer@md2.vsnl.net.in Message-ID: <399CD05C.4E96025E@bigfoot.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:27:48 +0530 From: Zameer Ahmed Organization: Lateral Software Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-ide i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc Subject: Re: prabhu Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: zameer@bigfoot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Zameer miswrote : >ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! >ANY OBJECTIONS? Sorry for the CAPS. As the chennailug chronicles will indicate my severe amnesia/spoonerism regarding the founders of the chennailug (Prabhu/Arun). I confused the both of them. Its one of those ghost Thusrdays I guess. As already indicated Prabhu is the chennailug representative for LI. I hope this clears the matter. regards Zameer Ahmed -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 18 12:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39C4A04C for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08193; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:42:50 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:42:20 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08187 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:42:09 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7II1ge13507 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZI2IT02.UPJ for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:11:17 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <399D7C43.3A9F8A82@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:11:15 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <3992CFC9.91CFA2D2@netscape.com> <399A87FF.F7823515@ti.com> <399AB850.D7528747@netscape.com> <399B6CD5.76B4354C@ti.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ramakrishnan M proclaimed: > Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > Part of the reason for this formation of a list is to discuss /whether/ > > there is a need to formalize LI into some nation-wide body. A recent > > incident involving a certain linux oriented .in domain name prompted some > ok.. It would have been nice, if you had quoted the above incidents also > in the original message. Without any such reasons, it looked odd to me. Speed is of the essense in getting this body of people together. That is why I did not have time to sit down and think about the correct wording. > > people to vocally let me know that it is important that LI become formally > > registered. Furthermore, organizing events in the past (such as IT.com > I feel, we need some form of a draft which states "these are the reasons which > prompted us to think of formalization and these are the benifits we will get". But who will draft the draft? And who will elect the drafters of the draft? Who will elect the electors of the drafters of the draft? You the see the problem in this? Besides, there will always be opposing views. Why. Even the LI has moved in directions in the past that I did not agree with. But such disagreeements are just a part of democracy. As long as we are headed in the general direction we want to head in it is fine. > If we can evolve a consensus on those issues, we may proceed with that. If any > sort of commercial interests are involved in this, then..sorry. Commercial is not necessarily bad. Linus and Alan Cox have to be employed by someone. Thaths -- Marge: Besides, it's not just his chiseled good looks. "People" magazine says he's a devoted father, goes to church every week, and likes to fix things around the.... Homer, let's make love. Homer: Uh, okay. [The lights go out. The lights come on] Homer: Uh, you're thinking about me, right? Marge: Of course, Homey. Aren't you thinking about me? Homer: I will now. [The lights go off again] Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 18 12:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEB54A04C for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08223; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:46:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:45:30 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08207 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:45:26 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7II5He14146 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZI2OR02.IN4 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:14:51 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <399D7D1B.8E55DB5D@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:14:51 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: <399BA640.91D3BB80@bigfoot.com> <14747.51391.507921.291530@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Prabhu Ramachandran proclaimed: > >>>>> "Zameer" == Zameer Ahmed writes: > Zameer> ARUN IS UNANIMOUS CHOICE FOR CHENNAI !!! ANY OBJECTIONS? > Too late. I accepted the offer in a private mail to Thaths. No one > else seemed interested. Strange - you all vote for others. No one > offers to do anything (not that I do too much). I have accepted Prabhu as ILUG-C's rep. Arun seems to be missing in action. Furthermore, it can be argued that he belongs to ILUG-Madurai and not ILUG-Chennai. ;-) > 1) It is not advisable to download anything from debian now. The > servers will obviously be overloaded anyway. Wait for a week(?) > before things stabilize. It took me 6 hours to get 3 iso images from the Debian servers through a DSL line! They are overloaded. > 2) I dont know when Thaths will send us CD's. We already have > fairly recent frozen sets. Those CD's are in circulation. Zameer > and Aravind have copies I guess. I dont think Thaths or Manoj can > send us non-free/non-us. Therefore it is worthwhile using the > pseudo image kit to get the CD's. I will be burning the CDs this weekend and sending them beginning of next week. Expect that it will take about 10 days to reach India. Thaths -- Marge: Besides, it's not just his chiseled good looks. "People" magazine says he's a devoted father, goes to church every week, and likes to fix things around the.... Homer, let's make love. Homer: Uh, okay. [The lights go out. The lights come on] Homer: Uh, you're thinking about me, right? Marge: Of course, Homey. Aren't you thinking about me? Homer: I will now. [The lights go off again] Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 18 12:41:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADB24A00C for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08252; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:47:44 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:47:14 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-46.netscape.com [205.217.237.46]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08246 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:47:10 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7II71e14342 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZI2RO01.2NC for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:16:36 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <399D7D84.26005201@netscape.com> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:16:36 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: [Fwd: Registering Linux India] References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ashwin proclaimed: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Ramakrishnan M wrote: > > Sudhakar Chandra wrote: > > > The time has come to formalize Linux India as some sort of organization > Use the word "club" instead of organisation and I am much more > comfortable. Please give this input to your ilug-c representative Prabhu. all input should come in through Prabhu. Also, we have to figure out what the legal requirements for the naming are. After all, we are thinking of creating a non-profit body and there seems to be 2 types of these that the indian legal system allows. Thaths -- Marge: Besides, it's not just his chiseled good looks. "People" magazine says he's a devoted father, goes to church every week, and likes to fix things around the.... Homer, let's make love. Homer: Uh, okay. [The lights go out. The lights come on] Homer: Uh, you're thinking about me, right? Marge: Of course, Homey. Aren't you thinking about me? Homer: I will now. [The lights go off again] Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 18 23:54:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1C34A12A for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10071; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:06:56 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:06:26 (IST) Received: from web4501.mail.yahoo.com (web4501.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.62]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10065 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:06:16 +0530 Message-ID: <20000819063537.5740.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.197.142.200] by web4501.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:35:37 BST Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:35:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gayathri=20Krishnan?= To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: (no subject) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gaykrish@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello everybody, I registered only last week in LInux-india. I am a new user in linux. I wrote a simple kernel device driver module with only init_module(). I did not include cleanup_module(). I loaded the module. then I removed and made some changes to the module. then I tried loading. But I got a error message stating "Device or resource busy". Even after changing the device major, I get the same error. I renamed the module and tried loading. then also I got the same error. What is the problem and How can I overcome this problem? In need of help Gayathri ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Aug 19 00:05:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743384A208 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10080; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:08:38 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:08:07 (IST) Received: from web4501.mail.yahoo.com (web4501.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.62]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10073 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:08:03 +0530 Message-ID: <20000819063730.6122.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.197.142.200] by web4501.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:37:30 BST Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:37:30 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gayathri=20Krishnan?= To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: (no subject) X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: gaykrish@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hello everybody, I registered only last week in LInux-india. I am a new user in linux. I wrote a simple kernel device driver module with only init_module(). I did not include cleanup_module(). I loaded the module. then I removed and made some changes to the module. then I tried loading. But I got a error message stating "Device or resource busy". Even after changing the device major, I get the same error. I renamed the module and tried loading. then also I got the same error. What is the problem and How can I overcome this problem? In need of help Gayathri ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 21 07:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA0F4A02B for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17738; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:10:22 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:09:51 (IST) Received: from smtp1.mail.yahoo.com (smtp1.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17730 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:09:30 +0530 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (202.9.149.251) by smtp1.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 12:38:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:23:57 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Minutes of ILUGC meet - 19th August 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sesha_sai_iyengar@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc ************************************************************************** Minutes of the 19th August Meet ************************************************************************** The ILUG-Chennai met on the 19th August, 2000 at 16:00 Hours at the IITM's Computer Center. Mr. M.K.S. brought his PIII and a C-DAC Gist Terminal for his Tamil on Linux Demo. He had Mr. Kumara Shanu and Mr. Bhaskaran by his side for assisting him with the demo, assembling stuff. The Agendas, as were planned on the mailing list, were: 1. Tamil-Linux demo by Mr. MKS and team 2. Talk on RADIUS & RAID by Dr. P.Sriram (will be introduced later(; ) We waited till 1630 for all the "Usual Faces" to appear and then gave up and started the demo. Mr.MKS was a bit unhappy with GNOME. The machine froze. Though, the curious lot saw the unofficial demo beforehand, it was redemoed for the latecomers (BOMB, etc.,). The "Translucent Beard" (Zameer) surprised us all by not making to the meet. He first showed a few features of the CDAC GIST Terminal. The 17 Language support, 'switching languages' were a few amongst the features mentioned. MKS and his team are working on ANUSARAKA, the Tamil -> Hindi Translation project. AKARAM text editor,developed by Chinnaswami Nagoo, a team in Singapore, India, was shown. This editor uses simple, easy to guess key-combinations to produce tamil characters. The F10 toggle can be used to switch between English and Tamil. A small latex poem was typed using the Akaram editor. This was compiled to a .ps and shown using gv. The o/p was excellent. He mentioned about the Tamil TCSII Font package developed in the US. The most interesting part of the demo was the Tamil-on-Console. He showed how one can set the local language settings (such as the LANG env var.) and get tamil on the console. Most of the Console o/ps like date, ls -l, cal had a mind blowing Tamil eqv for the dates. This tarball can be downloaded from: http://tamil.htmlplanet.com The Anusaraka project was also discussed. Anusaraka is nothing but a Language Translation (and also transliteration) program that was actually aimed at Tamil <-> English, but ended up translating from Tamil <-> Hindi. Mr. Kumara Shanu explained how the tamil parser works by splitting the words into different parts called "morphenes". These morphenes are the simplest units which can be referred into the dictionaries. There was a lot of humour flying in the air when we tried to "test" the software with the very famous "Nee unga ammavukku ethanayavathu paiyan?". It had some problem translating the word amma into Maa (hindi). Instead it ended up transliterating it to the same amma (hindi). So we concluded the test saying "Amma" is unshakeable. MKS explained the difficulties they had (and have) in this project: * Their proj. depends entirely on the GIST Terminal for viewing the outputs. * PERL being a W-O (Write-Only) language, has caused a pain in the neck for debugging. They are planning to rewrite their code using C. Their current sources are GPLed and MKS promised to make them available on the web for download. There were a few voices asking for GNOME<->Tamil project. Next was the most awaited talk on RADIUS by Dr. P.Sriram. Hmmm... I talked of introing him to you all, right? now, let me give you a small intro of the famous lot to you all: Meet... Prabhu... The ILUGC Rep. Zameer... The spoonered Amnesiac (-; Dr.P.Sriram... The potential CD Maker! (-; Sriram started off by Defining RADIUS. RADIUS - Remote Access Dial In User Services. RADIUS has been around for a while (10 years or so) and is used by ISPs, etc., who want to allow remote logging and optionally accounting. RADIUS is such a great piece of software that works so that no one really knows its there. He explained the various scenarios in which RADIUS can be employed. The NAS (Network Access Server) is the machine that has the various Serial lines connect to and is also connected to the network. The NAS is connected to the machine that runs RADIUS. RADIUS can be used to authenticate, Authorise the various users on what services they can run. He mentioned a few words about the ports (1812->radius, 1813->accounting). Radius can be configured to run on two APs (Authentication Protocols) 1. PAP (Password Authentication Protocol) and 2. CHAP (Challenge Handshake Authentication Protocol) When Radius runs on PAP, the passwd entered by the users at his end is transmitted via the phone line in plain text. The NAS then encrypts this passwd with a "Shared Secret"_[1] and sends it over to the radius server. The radius server decrypts this passwd and looks into the passwd file. Radius server then responds to the NAS with a YES/NO signal. The NAS then takes care of what-to-do-next-stuffs. But if a user is able to sniff the packets, he can send a YES to the NAS fooling it to go into the thinking that the Radius had sent it. Another hole is that as the passwd from the user end arrives in clear text, it can be tapped. That's when CHAP came into role. When the system uses CHAP, The NAS generates a random number and sends it to the user in plain text. The user machine then encrypts this and sends it over to the NAS. The NAS sends this over to the radius along with the random number encrypted with the shared secret. radius decrypts these and looks into the passwd file (plain text). The disadvantage here is that if the radius file is cracked, all the passwds will be exposed. Radius is a UDP service because a TCP service would have to wait for the received signal. This means a lot of waiting would have to be done the the NAS. But in UDP the NAS can merely broadcast the msg to all the radius servers. radius also offers a user name prefix. This means that depending on the username the user can be allocated the service for that prefix. It also allows suffices (like user@md2) This allows the use of many radius servers, each for a special zone and yet make mobility of users to other zones. This is very similar to what VSNL does. A person in pune can come to chennai and will still be able to use his pune account by dialing to the chennai machines. The CISCO's solution for radius was TACACS, XTACACS, TACACS+. Though TACACS is CISCO's standard for remote authentication, its boxes support both RADIUS and (X)TACACS(+). Radius comes in two flavours. 1. The first ever radius was produced by a company called Livingston. 2. CISTRON which took up radiusd development thereafter. The Current version of radiusd (1.6) is available for download as a tarball from freeradius.org Dr.Sriram explained about the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) which is working on AAA (Authenticating, Authorization, Accounting). According to the IETF, the recommended AAA softwares are COPS and DIAMETER (twice as good as the Radius!). DIAS as is implemented in the campus is something like ISDN over HDSL. This allows Voice and Data over Normal Telephone lines. Next was talk on RAID again by Dr.P.Sriram. RAID : Redundant Array of Inexpencive Disks. There are two types of RAID. a) Hardware b) Software RAID evolved when people wanted more disk space than provided by any single large disk. Note : In the following "disk" stands for a SCSI HDD. Linear RAID. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Let there be five Hard-disks. The last byte of the first disk would point to the first byte of the Second hard disk and the Last byte of the second to the third and so on. The first hard disk is filled up once and the second after the first is filled and so on. The OS would see this set as a single big hard drive. Each hard disk would contain one partition. ( The whole of the medium would be treated as one.) Here obviously there is no redundancy of data. Level 0 RAID : Striping. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is also called Striping. Let us take there are 5 disks in Level 0 RAID. When a file of 5 blocks is to be written then each hard drive is sent a SINGLE block of data and hence there will be a `5' factor improvement in write and the same applies to read process. If there are `n' disks in RAID then there would be an `n' factor improvement in Read/Write performance. Note : a) If one the disk fails ALL the data is lost ! To avoid this the next level of RAID is developed. Level 1 RAID : Mirroring. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As the name suggests there is redundancy of data. Lets take there are two disks in L1 RAID. When data has to be written, it is written to both the disks but when the read has to be made it would be done in striping mode.( Half from one and Half from other.) There can be a small decrease in write speed due to "Bus Arbitration". I didnot understand what that meant. There would be a speed improvement in the read mode. The advantage - If you have `n' disks, (n-1) can fail and the reading process is very fast. One can have this sort of config for a file server. Level 4 RAID : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In this if there are five disks, four of them are used as in level 0 and the fifth one is used to write the Parity bit. If any one of the disk fails using the parity bit the data can be reconstructed. There will be a (n-1) factor improvement in read and write. Advantage : One disk can fail. The chances that the parity disk fails are high as there is max. writing to that disk. Level 5 RAID : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In this the parity is distributed to all the disks instead of being on one. Hotspares : One can have spare disks such that if one of the disk fails then the spare disk is used and the whole data is reconstructed and the system is up again. The config file for RAID. /etc/raidtab The commands : $ mkraid : to make raid file system $ raid {start|stop} To start and stop raid daemon. Raid for swap partition doesnot give any improvement since the same functionality is provided by the kernel if you provide the same priority for the swap partitions in the /etc/fstab. Usually one needs a non-RAID disk to boot the system but Now it is possible to boot from RAID. For additional information one can see the Root-RAID HOWTO and the Software-RAID HOWTO. Dr.Sriram concluded the talk with a list of Speeds of various devices available in the market. He explained how FCAL can help one (one in the sense, as of now, an org) to connect different machines (archs) and enable using a large number of disks. There were a good number of new members to the LUG. Surprisingly one of them ended up here after searching for "LUG" in google! The other reported of spelling mistakes at chennailug.org. Then the webmaster had to say "We donot have access to chennailug.org, but is expected soon". Suraj forgot to take the attendance (as usual) and hopes to do it atleast by the next meet. There were about 15-18 people. The meet ended at about 1930 HRS. Quote of the Meet (Due to popular demand, back again): "Perl is a write only language" --Vineet Chaitanya Thanks to Midhun Kumar for writing the RAID part of this text. -Suraj [1] Shared Secret is a common string on the NAS and the Radius which is used to encrypt / Decrypt the user passwd. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 21 11:03:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500DE4A0E4 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18753; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:14:16 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:13:45 (IST) Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18746 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:13:37 +0530 Received: from judge.mcom.com (judge.mcom.com [205.217.237.53]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e7LHbJY14705 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.45.34]) by judge.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FZNL7N00.9C3 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:42:59 -0700 Sender: thaths@netscape.com (Sudhakar Chandrasekharan) Message-ID: <39A16A23.9586F0A7@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:42:59 -0700 From: Sudhakar Chandra Organization: A Doubleplusgood Mega Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75b1 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: (no subject) References: <20000819063537.5740.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: thaths@netscape.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Gayathri Krishnan proclaimed: > I wrote a simple kernel device driver module with only > init_module(). I did not include cleanup_module(). > I loaded the module. then I removed and made some > changes to the module. then I tried loading. But I got > a error message stating "Device or resource busy". > Even after changing the device major, I get the same > error. I renamed the module and tried loading. then > also I got the same error. What is the problem and If you don't get an answer in this list, you might try posting the question to linux-india-programmers@lists.linux-india.org More kernel programmers there. Thaths -- "You see this? [holds up Marge's hand, to permit close inspection of Marge's wedding ring] It symbolizes that she's my property, and I own her." -- Homer J. Simpson Sudhakar C13n http://www.aunet.org/thaths/ Lead Indentured Slave --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 21 11:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FABA4A00D for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18713; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:02:57 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:02:27 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18707 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:02:24 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 197 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 22:56:43 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13QvTH-0000Y0-00 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:04:51 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:04:51 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Minutes of ILUGC meet - 19th August 2000 In-Reply-To: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> References: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14753.26037.56851.122453@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, Great job on the minutes, Suraj and Midhun. I do have a small crib. >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> Meet... Prabhu... The ILUGC Rep. Zameer... The spoonered Suraj> Amnesiac (-; Dr.P.Sriram... The potential CD Maker! (-; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please note. Despite the smileys, that statement (underlined above) is rather unkind to Prof. Sriram. We all know how busy he is, being a Professor at the Dept. of Aerospace Engg. as well as the HOD Computer Center. It also does not give credit to what he has been single handedly been doing - consistently giving us some of the best quality lectures in the entire history of ilugc. He has also been kind to give us the room where we meet and is most ready to burn CD's for us. So please dont call him just a potential CD maker. He is far more than that. :) Besides the CD making potentiality has been put to full use several times in the past. :) prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 23 09:27:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0584A0A8 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30657; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:38:01 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:37:28 (IST) Received: from hanuman.aukbc.org ([203.197.142.200]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30644 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:37:18 +0530 Received: from localhost (IDENT:mksarav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hanuman.aukbc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01230 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:43:05 +0530 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:43:05 +0530 (IST) From: M K Saravanan Sender: mksarav@hanuman.aukbc.org To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Minutes of ILUGC meet - 19th August 2000 In-Reply-To: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: mksarav@mail.mitindia.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Suraj.co.in wrote: > Computer Center. Mr. M.K.S. brought his PIII and a C-DAC Gist Terminal > for his > Tamil on Linux Demo. He had Mr. Kumara Shanu and Mr. Bhaskaran by his Mr. Kumara shanmugam & Mr. Baskaran > He first showed a few features of the CDAC GIST Terminal. The 17 Language It's actually 22 (twenty two). Arabic, Assamese, Bengali, Devanagari, Druk, European, Gujarathi, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, Kashmiri, Oriya, Punjabi, persian, russian, sinhalese, sritamil, sindhi, tibetian, thai, urdu > project. AKARAM text editor,developed by Chinnaswami Nagoo, a team in > Singapore, India, was shown. This editor uses simple, easy to guess His name is "Nagarajan Chinnasamy" > key-combinations to produce tamil characters. The F10 toggle can be > used to switch between English and Tamil. A small latex poem was typed BTW, it is F11 key. > the Akaram editor. This was compiled to a .ps and shown using gv. The > o/p was excellent. He mentioned about the Tamil TCSII Font package > developed in the US. That tamil font is called "Washington Tamil Font" created by the Humanities & Arts Computing Center of the University of Washington, USA. For more detail about that: http://www.aczone.com/itrans/tamil/node3.html > had a mind blowing Tamil eqv for the dates. This tarball can be > downloaded from: > http://tamil.htmlplanet.com In the above URL you can download AkaramTeX editor. The URL for console-tamil is: http://www.egroups.com/files/tamilinux > The Anusaraka project was also discussed. Anusaraka is nothing but a > Language Translation (and also transliteration) program that was > actually aimed at Tamil <-> English, but ended up translating from > Tamil <-> Hindi. Anusaaraka theme is "Indian Lang. to Indian Lang. translation". What you have mentioned above is our(aukbc centre) AIM. > into different parts called "morphenes". These morphenes are the > simplest units which can be referred into the dictionaries. There was > a lot of It is "morphemes". Wow! Your minutes are really amazing taking all the points discussed in the meeting. ** mks ** --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 24 05:59:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AADD4A0F8 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02244; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:15:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:15:21 (IST) Received: from smtp1.mail.yahoo.com (smtp1.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02238 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:15:05 +0530 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (202.9.147.153) by smtp1.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2000 12:44:45 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39A51893.75780316@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:14:03 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Minutes of ILUGC meet - 19th August 2000 References: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> <14753.26037.56851.122453@monster.linux.in> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sesha_sai_iyengar@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > Suraj> Amnesiac (-; Dr.P.Sriram... The potential CD Maker! (-; > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Please note. Despite the smileys, that statement (underlined > above) is rather unkind to Prof. Sriram. We all know how busy he is, > being a Professor at the Dept. of Aerospace Engg. as well as the HOD > Computer Center. It also does not give credit to what he has been > single handedly been doing - consistently giving us some of the best > quality lectures in the entire history of ilugc. He has also been > kind to give us the room where we meet and is most ready to burn CD's > for us. So please dont call him just a potential CD maker. He is far > more than that. :) Besides the CD making potentiality has been put to > full use several times in the past. :) > I'm very sorry for that. I just meant to add a little bit of non-technical humour. No body can deny the fact that Dr.P.Sriram has been a gift to all of us lugians. His talk on Radius and RAID made me fall in Love with him (-: . Just thought he will be reminded of (in a humorous way) the fact that his contribs to the LUG stand on the top of the list. I plead to Dr.P.Sriram to forgive me 'bout that silly comment. O-: In case that hurts others too (zameer, prabhu, midhun) , i'm sorry for that too. I didn't mean anything as such to hurt anyone on the LUG. -Suraj _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 24 07:32:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F834A01F for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02764; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:45:49 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:45:18 (IST) Received: from localhost (sriram@localhost) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02757 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:45:17 +0530 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:45:16 +0530 (IST) From: "Dr. P. Sriram" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: the potential cd maker In-Reply-To: <39A51893.75780316@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sriram@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc luggies, i thought of replying to prabhu's post describing me as quite more than a potential cd maker. i may be, but i am quite humoured in being seen as the potential cd maker. i take it in that spirit. no apologies/follow-ups required. sriram, the potential cd maker --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 24 09:05:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974EA4A03E for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03310; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:22:44 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:22:13 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03298 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:22:12 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1008 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:16:36 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13RzKb-0000Ag-00 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:24:17 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:24:17 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Minutes of ILUGC meet - 19th August 2000 In-Reply-To: <39A51893.75780316@yahoo.com> References: <39A12665.D03D12BD@yahoo.com> <14753.26037.56851.122453@monster.linux.in> <39A51893.75780316@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14757.17434.220851.184411@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Suraj" == Suraj co in writes: Suraj> I plead to Dr.P.Sriram to forgive me 'bout that silly Suraj> comment. O-: Suraj> In case that hurts others too (zameer, prabhu, midhun) , Suraj> i'm sorry for that too. I didn't mean anything as such to Suraj> hurt anyone on the LUG. Hey, its cool! I know that you mean well. :) Just wanted to keep things in perspective for those who didnt know Prof. Sriram (if such members exist on the LUG ;). prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Thu Aug 24 09:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFD34A03E for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03278; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:17:37 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:17:07 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03268 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:17:04 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 1161 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:11:19 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13RzFY-0000AO-00 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:19:04 +0530 Resent-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: Javier Montero Message-ID: <2BE6FED62500D41194DB00A0CC6A01A40437DC@mail.alphasystem.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Javier Montero To: "'prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in'" Subject: Commercial: Job offer. Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:11:38 +0200 Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: Prabhu Ramachandran Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:19:04 +0530 X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Resent-Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in hi, Below is a message I received. If anyone is interested please do the needful. I have cc'd this messg. to him too. prabhu ------------------------------------------------------------ Dear sir, I am working i young norwegian company in the marketing, reserch and development department. Our company are distribuites Compaq pc'r, servers network instalation, etc.. We have a new projects for the neare future. We shall build up Thin Clients, Parallel Computing, wire less network and ASP service. We are interesting in to get in contact wiht students an invite dem to Norway to enjoy us in this projects . We need a person with such knowloge.!!!! Please give my e-mail to all linux users so can contact me. Regards Javier Montero Alpha System AS www.alphasystem.no ------------------------------------------------------------ --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 25 00:35:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E574A528 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06657; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:39:12 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:38:41 (IST) Received: from symonds.net (mail@adsl-63-194-20-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.20.32]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06651 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:38:35 +0530 Received: from ravi by symonds.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13SDPP-0002t9-00; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:56:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:56:11 -0700 From: "Ravikant K. Rao" To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Yamaha 740C Sound Card on RedHat 6.2 Message-ID: <20000824235611.A9653@symonds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ravi@symonds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Hi, Quick question : If someone *knows* that the Yamaha 740C Sound Card works on Linux (RedHat 6.2, if it matters) , can you drop me a line about what you did to make it work? My buddy said he tried ALSA too and it didn't work - though someone else *just* told me ALSA will work - I will probably check it out live in 3 days' time, but I'd appreciate any ideas/suggestions/help - Thanks -Ravi "off to bangalore for the Bangalore LUG meeting" Rao --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 25 00:58:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDA54A1B7 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06808; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:11:29 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:10:58 (IST) Received: from gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.27]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06802 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:10:56 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98019@localhost) by gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02242 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:56:52 +0530 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:56:52 +0530 (IST) From: Raj Kiran Grandhi To: Linux-Chennai Guys Subject: Re: Yamaha 740C Sound Card on RedHat 6.2 In-Reply-To: <20000824235611.A9653@symonds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc Ravikant, at 11:56pm on Yesterday wrote: > Hi, > Quick question : If someone *knows* that the Yamaha 740C Sound > Card works on Linux (RedHat 6.2, if it matters) , can you drop me a line > about what you did to make it work? My buddy said he tried ALSA too and it > didn't work - though someone else *just* told me ALSA will work - I will > probably check it out live in 3 days' time, but I'd appreciate any > ideas/suggestions/help - Thanks > try the opensound drivers at http://www.opensound.com it says it supports the Yamaha 740C PCI sound card. -- Raj Kiran Grandhi ae98019@aero.iitm.ernet.in --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Fri Aug 25 13:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516894A00B for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09790; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:33:14 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:32:43 (IST) Received: from omail.emirates.net.ae (omail.emirates.net.ae [194.170.163.236]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09733; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:20:58 +0530 Received: from pmail2.emirates.net.ae by omail.emirates.net.ae (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0FZV00FHZ5PX4R@omail.emirates.net.ae>; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:49:09 +0400 (GST) Received: from rth (cda432.emirates.net.ae [213.42.41.178]) by pmail2.emirates.net.ae (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with SMTP id <0FZV0041J5PTOH@pmail2.emirates.net.ae>; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:49:08 +0400 (GST) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:46:03 +0400 From: Reggie Thomas X-approved-by: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Linux 6.2 or Linux5.2 To: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Message-id: <000301c00ecd$b8b79f20$c2332ad5@emirates.net.ae> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rth@emirates.net.ae Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I am Reggie Thomas. If you recall I had met you in a LUG meeting in October, 1999. You had also sent me an e-mail regarding StarOffice 5.1 installation. I am now in Dubai. I plan to buy a PC here and would like to install Linux. Should I use Linux 6.2 or Linux 5.2 ? Can I manage with 64 MB RAM or should I get 128 MB RAM ? I do remember hearing that Star Office 5.1 was not working too well on Linux 6.1. It was suggested that one should stick to Linux 5.2 and for STar Office 5.1. Is Linux 6.2 OK for Star Office ? Indian magazines, software and help are not easy to comeby here. I have STar Office 5.1 which I got in Madras. I can also arrange to get Linux 5.2 on PC Quest CD of March, 1999. Linux 6.2 is supposed to be in the PC Quest of June, 2000. This is a bit tough from here. I remember you and Dr. Sriram showing the Linux 6.2 installation on a PC at the LUG meeting I attended. You were putting the OS through its paces. So I thought I would ask your advice. Should I try to download Linux 6.2 ? What version is suitable for a AMD 500 mhz processor ? How much time would it take ? We get speeds of 44000 bps here. Would be most obliged if you could help me out or pass on these questions to your members. I had met a young chap there called Mani Sridhar. He was most helpful. Regards, Reggie Thomas --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sat Aug 26 03:58:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A92E4A1C1 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 03:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11830; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:16:40 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:16:09 (IST) Received: from pughsnt.srasys.co.in ([202.54.63.129]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11824 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:16:05 +0530 Received: from pughsnt.srasys.co.in (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pughsnt.srasys.co.in with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id R1VQ0BB8; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:13:56 +0530 Message-ID: <00a201c00f4c$28218370$481f10ac@vsnl> From: "RamKumar" To: Subject: Oracle on Linux Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:25:32 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: rrk@srasys.co.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, has anybody tried oracle on linux? i use a redhat 6.1. i would like to know what precautions i need to take for the same.. the documentation on technet.oracle is vast. any input on this will be of great help. Thanks Ram --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 27 00:07:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C6A4A0AF for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14855; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:25:09 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:24:38 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14847 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:24:31 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.180.217]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07703 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:17:03 +0500 Message-ID: <39A8BC9F.F96FD6CC@chennailug.org> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:30:47 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Chennailug.org excavated back! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all Thanks to Mr.Asokan & Co. We have our chennailug.org up and running. I've uploaded the files a few minutes ago. Please visit the site at: http://www.chennailug.org To talk in debian terms our site is in "frozen" state. Send your bug,spl mistake reports to me. Ppl who are interested in contribing DOCs, HOWTOs, etc., are *forced* (-; to do so! Pls ignore that missing linux.au. This will be uploaded at the earliest. -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 27 01:12:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A614A018 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14997; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:30:20 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:29:49 (IST) Received: from hotmail.com (f279.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.157]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14987 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:29:40 +0530 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:59:23 -0700 Received: from 202.141.26.3 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.141.26.3] From: "Sai Kiran R" To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Chennailug.org excavated back! Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:29:23 IST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 07:59:23.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6977B90:01C00FFC] X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: sai_kiran@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hello all, let me first introduce myself...my name is sai kiran( student at iit madras). i am a new member on the chennai lug. i just browsed through the chennailug.org website. i should say that it is a neatly designed site. my congratulations to the designers. sai ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Sun Aug 27 08:24:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A724A092 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 08:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16002; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:42:13 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:41:42 (IST) Received: from server1.focusite.com (server1.focusinfotech.com [207.235.7.179] (may be forged)) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15996 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:41:37 +0530 Received: from chennailug.org ([202.9.148.96]) by server1.focusite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12295 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:34:07 +0500 Message-ID: <39A9311B.775DB02E@chennailug.org> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:47:47 +0530 From: "Suraj.co.in" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Chennailug.org excavated back! References: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: suraj@chennailug.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc > hello all, > let me first introduce myself...my name is sai kiran( student at iit > madras). i am a new member on the chennai lug. > Welcome! > i just browsed through the chennailug.org website. i should say that it is > a neatly designed site. my congratulations to the designers. > Thanks (-: > > sai -Suraj --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Mon Aug 28 00:58:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB724A0D9 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18499; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:04:26 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:03:55 (IST) Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (mc-qout4.whowhere.com [209.185.123.18]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18492 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:03:48 +0530 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by shared2-mail.whowhere.com; Mon Aug 28 00:32:57 2000 To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:32:57 -0700 From: "Tameem Ansari Ansari" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Oracle on Linux X-Sender-Ip: 203.199.220.1 Organization: England E-mail (http://www.email.england.com:80) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: md_t_ansari@england.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi all, ram, the best resource(s) for u r these 1. pcquest.com, they have given an article for installing oracle8i on linux http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/search/showarticle.asp?artid=7095 2. on the pcquest cd which contained rhl6.2 (i think june2k) u can find the same article. 3. goto blackdown.org which must be the first step in installing oracle8i where u need to download the jre to run the oracle universal installer. On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:25:32 RamKumar wrote: >hi, >has anybody tried oracle on linux? >i use a redhat 6.1. i would like to know what precautions i need to take for the same.. >the documentation on technet.oracle is vast. any input on this will be of great help. > >Thanks >Ram > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 29 20:53:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB54A0E5 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08736; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:58 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:28 (IST) Received: from gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.27]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08729 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:27 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98096@localhost) by gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01137 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:49:13 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: gull.aero.iitm.ernet.in: ae98096 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:49:13 +0530 (IST) From: "Ashok T." To: Indian Linux User Group - Chennai Subject: Xfree86 4.01 - what to download? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98096@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc All I want from xfree86 4.01 is the additional acceleration put into the Glint server (For my creative graphics blaster exxtreme - permedia 2 based) in the 4.01 release. So what files should I download? The whole multimegabyte files on the ftp? -- yours, me. GCS -d+ -p+(---) c++++(++) l++ u e+ m+(---) s !n h f(?)- !g(+) w- t(-) r !y --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Tue Aug 29 22:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613704A145 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09293; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:24:26 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:23:56 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09281 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:23:48 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 295 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:17:44 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13Tzts-0007C0-00 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:25:00 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:25:00 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Xfree86 4.01 - what to download? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14764.37536.296746.908253@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ashok" == Ashok T writes: Ashok> All I want from xfree86 4.01 is the additional acceleration Ashok> put into the Glint server (For my creative graphics blaster Ashok> exxtreme - permedia 2 based) in the 4.01 release. So what Ashok> files should I download? The whole multimegabyte files on Ashok> the ftp? You'll need to get atleast the foll. Xinstall.sh The installer script extract The utility for extracting tarballs Xbin.tgz X clients/utilities and run-time libraries Xlib.tgz Some data files required at run-time Xman.tgz Manual pages ?? Xdoc.tgz XFree86 documentation Xfnts.tgz Base set of fonts Xfenc.tgz Base set of font encoding data Xetc.tgz Run-time configuration files Xvar.tgz Run-time data Xxserv.tgz XFree86 X server Xmod.tgz XFree86 X server modules Xprog.tgz X header files, config files and compile-time libs gnu-tar just that. All these are from the Install file. If you can settle for X4.0 and are at IIT mail me (personally). prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 30 01:37:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0184A1D7 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10086; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:20:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:20:22 (IST) Received: from finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in (IDENT:root@finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.50]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10075 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:20:20 +0530 Received: from localhost (ae98096@localhost) by finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04767 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:22:40 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: finch.aero.iitm.ernet.in: ae98096 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:22:40 +0530 (IST) From: "Ashok T." To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Xfree86 4.01 - what to download? In-Reply-To: <14764.37536.296746.908253@monster.linux.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: ae98096@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc I was thinking on the lines of: The xfree86/4 servers /should/ be backward compatible, right? So i could probably get away with downloading just my server? No? On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote: ye>hi, ye> ye>>>>>> "Ashok" == Ashok T writes: ye> ye> Ashok> All I want from xfree86 4.01 is the additional acceleration ye> Ashok> put into the Glint server (For my creative graphics blaster ye> Ashok> exxtreme - permedia 2 based) in the 4.01 release. So what ye> Ashok> files should I download? The whole multimegabyte files on ye> Ashok> the ftp? ye> ye> You'll need to get atleast the foll. ye> ye> Xinstall.sh The installer script ye> extract The utility for extracting tarballs ye> Xbin.tgz X clients/utilities and run-time libraries ye> Xlib.tgz Some data files required at run-time ye> Xman.tgz Manual pages ye>?? Xdoc.tgz XFree86 documentation ye> Xfnts.tgz Base set of fonts ye> Xfenc.tgz Base set of font encoding data ye> Xetc.tgz Run-time configuration files ye> Xvar.tgz Run-time data ye> Xxserv.tgz XFree86 X server ye> Xmod.tgz XFree86 X server modules ye> Xprog.tgz X header files, config files and compile-time libs ye> gnu-tar just that. ye> ye> All these are from the Install file. If you can settle for ye>X4.0 and are at IIT mail me (personally). ye> ye>prabhu ye>--- ye>Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org ye>Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' ye>in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list. ye> -- yours, me. 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From ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Wed Aug 30 04:29:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ilug-c-archive@lists.linux-india.org Received: from aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (unknown [202.141.26.131]) by www.aunet.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF114A299 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aero (mail@aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in [144.16.246.3]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11030; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:52 +0530 Received: with LISTAR (v0.121a; list ilugc); Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:21 (IST) Received: from citpl.compuwave.co.in ([202.54.64.162]) by aero.aero.iitm.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11017 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:37:14 +0530 Received: from cyberwaveindia.com ([203.197.147.34]) by citpl.compuwave.co.in (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id 471 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:31:27 +0530 Received: from prabhu by cyberwaveindia.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13U5jV-0000C3-00 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:38:41 +0530 From: Prabhu Ramachandran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:38:41 +0530 (IST) To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Subject: Re: Xfree86 4.01 - what to download? In-Reply-To: References: <14764.37536.296746.908253@monster.linux.in> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14764.59875.600798.177167@monster.linux.in> X-listar-version: Listar v0.121a Sender: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in Errors-To: ilugc-bounce@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-original-sender: prabhu@aero.iitm.ernet.in Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in X-list: ilugc hi, >>>>> "Ashok" == Ashok T writes: Ashok> I was thinking on the lines of: The xfree86/4 servers Ashok> /should/ be backward compatible, right? So i could probably Ashok> get away with downloading just my server? No? No way! X 4.0 changed a lot of things in highly non trivial ways. For instance DRI - which is what gives you your acceleration in the first place, is completely new and _totally_ _non_ backward compatible. X4.0 is a lot more than the server. In fact, the server dynamically loads most of its functionality. A huge number of features have been added. This is why there is so much hoo haa about X4.0. It is a major technology breakthrough. Hardware accel unded unix is non trivial. Dont do anything that the docs dont say. And the docs certainly dont say just get the new server and add it to X3.3.6 libs etc. So if you want to experiment go ahead -- you are on your own. :) prabhu --- Visit our home page at: www.chennailug.org Send e-mail to 'ilugc-request@aero.iitm.ernet.in' with 'unsubscribe' in either the subject or the body to unsubscribe from this list.