Re: Linux India registration.

[Sivaram N B <sivaram.balakrishnan@xxxxxxxxx>]

I totally agree with Nikhil, please dont take the meaning and freedom  of an open commuity away.

Shiva
Nikhil Datta wrote:

> Hi Arun,
>
> > I will pass your request on. At the minimum, we should be able to get
> > weekly digests out to LIG.
> >
> > <quoting thaths on this>
> > The onyl reason I might not be able to post weekly digests to LIG is that I
> > don't have the time.
> > </quote>
>
> Why not (at the least) archive the list and make the archives public? it would be less of a problem then a weekly digest, which in my opinion is a waste of time anyway - why would I be interested in reading what happened a week ago?
>
> > One of the ideas behind keeping the list closed was to minimize the
> > noise on the list and take it to a conclusion in a time bound manner. Each
>
> Your mail to KK mentions that you're in the second of a four week schedule. What is the progress? What are the issues being discussed? What are the stumbling blocks? How can I use my (perhaps related) expertise to help?. Surely there are several people who may be interested, and are knowledgable about such matters, who would be able to contribute. Making the list closed serves no purpose except to create an air of secrecy and bad feelings.(which, looking at the i-lug b'lore list, seems to have already happened)
>
> > LUG has nominated a representative - I believe we have full coverage of
> > all the known LUGs now. The reps are fully expected to discuss on
> > their local mailing lists, issues of importance and voice it on the list.
>
> It's a good idea to have national representation, but it may be severly skewed. Active LUG's like I LUG Bangalore, with over 300 registered members, and regular meetings with over 100 attendees, surely need a greater representation than a small LUG (like the nascent ILUG Calicut here, with about 6 members).
>
> >
> > I wasn't there, but have heard good things about it. Hope it'll be
> > just as good or even better this year too.
>
> Your message to KK, I quote "It has been brought to our attention that IT COM is  an important event ...", conveys a curious lack of connection with the IT scene in India. Surely everyone on the LI-reg list knows how big IT COM was last year, and what the response to Linux Stall was. I'm sure it did not have to be "brought to anyone's attention'. I'm a bit worried about the direction the list discussions are taking if they are this far removed from major events in the IT scene here.
>
> > My personal opinion (not necessarily that of people on li-reg) is that
> > the weekly digests be published in a timely manner and parallel discussions
> > may proceed on fora like LIG. At the end of the discussion on li-reg,
>
> I don't see how this is possible, given that :
> a) two of the scheduled four weeks are already over
> b) In this extremely wired world in which we live, it's hard to imagine 'discussing issues' based on a week old digest of discussions of 10 members on a closed list. A discussion of a digest would be a post mortem, not an interactive generation of ideas.
>
>
> > I believe this is how the Indian constitution was done.
>
> This is obtuse. I fail to see any similarity between creating a constitution for LI and for India. There's a big difference creating a constitution for 450 million people with (probably) 90% illiteracy, and for a group of (probably) 1500 highly educated and highly qualified people, a select group of which are eager to participate.
>
> Arun, while I am appreciative of the fact that you and Thaths and KD are some of the founding members and pillars of the LI community, I believe that the 'select group' may be over stepping its importance in taking such decisions and conducting such activities in a closed manner.
>
> If noise and schedules were an excuse for closed door decision making, surely lkml would be invite-only by now. The fact is that I can still mail my uninformed and incorrect ideas on kernel design to lkml, and probably get a slam from Linus for what's wrong with it, is enough to demonstrate that your argument for a closed list is incorrect. I don't see how a small group can appoint itself responsible for something as significant as this, and close out all else in the process.
>
> Finally : please do not consider my comments as 'sponsored' or that I am a proxy for anyone, or that I have a vested interest in any of this. I am least interested in politics, but I love Linux, and I've been both actively and passively involved in the community for several years now. The last time I wrote such a long and detailed mail to LI, was in Febuary 99, when I came up with the initial proposal for IT COM (it was IT Asia in Delhi at that time). My reason for writing this is that, having been watching the events on several lists for a while, and knowing KK, who hates such a fruckus,I fear that IT COM may be the casualty of other agendas, something I would be very, very pissed about.
>
> nikk
>
> The sooner our happiness together begins, the longer it will last.
>                 -- Miramanee, "The Paradise Syndrome", stardate 4842.6
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